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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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one might if every game actually targeted the latest hardware and all you used it for was games, yeah then I would be disappointed if next years game ran considerably worse on the gpu I bought last month. But none of this is the case for pc. And while I predominantly game on my pc as opposed to the console, I still use it more for work and productive stuff. But even if I didn't it's not like there are a plethora of games out there that make good use of the power in the latest graphics cards anyway so your point doesn't even make sense when applied to pc.
What you, like so many others here are talking about is a model where consoles would have many of the drawbacks of the pc but few of the advantages.
Patrick Klepek
furiously molesting tim burton
The moment I have more details to share, I'll happily pass them on. It's not like I'm hiding things to be fun 'n mysterious 'n sexy.
Good to hear!
Please do. We just want to know if it'll be significantly more powerful than the PS4 or not.
Can you make a new video & tell us what you do know & what you conclude from what you know?
Not even sexy?
ChaoticBlue
Member
LOL.
I have been advocating 1080p 60fps in this thread but I see devs still using 30fps as a "design choice" excuse.
Looking forward to it.
Cheers. It's just so weird to try and square the circle when you look at how slowly PC GPUs are hitting 16nm (which would be needed for a big jump in power), and what you'd perhaps expect from a mid-gen refresh of a console (eg 4K Netflix but not games). Really fascinating but it does sound like there is smoke.
You are not getting the point. My main gaming directive right now is:1080p, 60FPS.
As we all know by now a modern AAA open world game will run 1080, 30 FPS at best on consoles. Here's the problem: let's say Horizon will be released in winter 2016/spring 2017 and PS 4.5 comes out this winter and is able to run the game @60fps. Totally fine. Hypothetically, GG then starts to develop Horizon 2, release date spring 2019 when PS4.6 or PS5 has already been released (2018). Will it still be 60FPS on PS 4.5? I highly doubt this. What I'm trying to say going by the gaming standard I chose as my highest priority (see above), I'm feeling forced into going with the 'the best platform to play game x' mantra and according upgrade plan.
As strange as it may sound but for me it's easier to justify a console purchase solely for exclusives as an addition to PC gaming when I know I'm not missing out on something.
I'm not saying that I will abandon consoles. I will wait until a handful of really must-have exclusives are released and will get the best value for my money at that precise moment.
You might say 'well, that's absolutely fine' but I'm not sure if this mentality is healthy for the console industry once more people adapt to this strategy, because I'm 100% sure the PS users that will buy every iteration will be in the minority.
I'm sure this has already been posted, but for those that missed it, Patrick Klepek on Twitch talking about his PS4.5 reporting.
https://www.twitch.tv/patrickklepek/v/55620319?t=18m46s
https://www.twitch.tv/patrickklepek/v/55620319?t=18m46s
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Hi Patrick. Not sure if you can or would answer this but will ask anyway.
Has anybody from Sony "had a word" with you confirming/denying the content of your article?
Dinky Dino
Member
Well MS isn't focusing on Kinect anymore or blowing R&D into it so really this should be interesting.
But the same can and will happen on PC. You target 1080p/60 so you got a 970 (me too for the same reasons). But in 2018 that card may also not support 1080p/60 anymore as the baseline will have risen with more Happening per pixel (already happening to an extent)
Even with a more traditional 5-6 year console upgrade cycle the same happens - with engines getting more complex and ambitious performance will often drop
So regardless of whether it is an upgradeable PC or upgradeable console, that initial purchasing reason won't stay solid for 5-6 years.
pixellated_man
Member
If MS does bring out an updated xbox one and Sony doesn't do the same for ps4, then you can bet a lot of people will either be buying an x 1.5 instead of a ps4 or they will buy it in addition to their ps4 purchase. All of them will buy multiplatform games on Microsoft's console regardless. Who would want to play the weaker multiplat game if given the choice? I know I won't.
If the upgraded xone becomes a reality and Sony doesn't respond, I will buy it and shift all my third party game purchases to that console. I was planning to get a Microsoft's box anyway and this would seal the deal.
But I do wonder about those who are dead set against an iterative ps4, if they will still be against in that scenario. After all they no longer have the best console version of most games anymore and devs will now have a higher target to push for which, according to their own argument, will make games for the weaker (ps4 and xone) platforms run like crap.
Demanufacture
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Heck I think most people on Gaf would have better graphics than 60fps..look at Uncharted 4.
CosmicQueso
Member
Shu interview with engadget that includes 4k commentary
4k part starts at 10:16 through 12:15
- 4k adoption catching up in NA and EUR, but not as fast as in Asia
- 1080p/60 still a golden standard on PS4
- If developers have to make games in 4k it could have negative impact on framerate
- PS4 is not designed to support 4k gaming
- PS4 has 4k output support, but not 4k gaming suport
- Higher framerate is the priority
I don't know. That's what Shu said in the interview.
4k part starts at 10:16 through 12:15
- 4k adoption catching up in NA and EUR, but not as fast as in Asia
- 1080p/60 still a golden standard on PS4
- If developers have to make games in 4k it could have negative impact on framerate
- PS4 is not designed to support 4k gaming
- PS4 has 4k output support, but not 4k gaming suport
- Higher framerate is the priority
I don't know. That's what Shu said in the interview.
Since when did ps4 have 4K output support? If so, why doesn't Netflix have a 4K app yet?
Demanufacture
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How many 1080/60 games are on PS4 then?
sandkiller
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BinaryBear07
Member
This is an interesting time to be a console gamer. I am interested to see where this goes and what it means for the industry.
So, PS4.5 to aim for 1080p/60 and 4k/30?
Here in Brazil, PS4 was called PS4K by the consumers because of the launch price (R$4000, which is A LOT, believe me), it will be funny if thats the official name of this new version.
CosmicQueso
Member
Of course he isn't referring directly to the rumor. Just thought it was interesting context from the man.
Fair enough, but once I upgrade my PC I can be 100% sure that older games run better + mods (for example you can go back to Total War games and increase army size which your older PC can't handle), so how about consoles? Do we really expect at this point that games like Bloodborne will magically run @60 FPS without From going back to support the game. Please correct me if I'm wrong. They would have to change the way console games are developed starting with the PS4.5. But this is reason enough to piss off PS4 day one buyers like me. Let's be realistic and look what has been released in 2,5 years of this gen. The 2 year cycles will give you a limited amount of games optimized for your system of choice, because games usually take three or more years to develop. You won't even get a new ND, Uncharted team, game in that time frame (on PS4.5). So the PS after PS4.5 will get the optimized version of that game. And you mentioned engines getting more demanding - how is backwards compatibility across PS4 and PS4.5 work then?
My point is: As someone who prefers Sony's exclusive games, there's a limited number of games corresponding to the amount of studios to work with. All those studios have different cycles now, which means you are buying a PS in the future for maybe 3 exclusive games optimized for that plattform, the next exclusive will then run at the higher goal-post on the next system and so on....feels off to me, because Dev time>console cycles no bueno.
Since close to launch. I've got a 4k TV and confirm that the PS4 supports 4k... in the Playmemories app only. The why is easy, any commercial movie that's output in 4k requires extra DRM on the output thanks to Hollywood paranoia, and the PS4 shipped before that DRM was finalized.
jeff_rigby will swear that the DRM can be added in the PS4's case, but I'm not yet convinced. HDCP 2.2 has some pretty stringent requirements (such as detecting cable length) that could be very difficult to add after the fact without specialized hardware.
See, I don't think the casual consumer is going to care that much about their model being the latest model. I think all they're going to care about is whether their box runs the latest Madden game, the latest Call of Duty, and Minecraft. Mainstream console consumers probably don't give a shit about framerates and resolutions (unless they put a lot of marketing hype behind 4k and those consumers have shiny new 4k TVs). Call of Duty and Madden are sort of the "core features" of those consoles like communication and web browsing are the "core features" of your phone. In both cases you upgrade because there's important software your model doesn't run anymore. It's why EA keeps supporting old consoles with new Madden games for ridiculously long times. It's for people who want to play the latest Madden but don't care THAT much about having the latest box.
No, honestly.
Can you please direct me to it?
David Ricardo
Member
If all it takes for you to change sides is a little bit more power, for Sony to recover you as a customer it would be as easy as releasing an even more powerful PlayStation a year later. So in years 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018 and onwards, the best multiplatforms would be in Sony platforms.
2017 would be the only year MS would have a chance at trying to build a userbase big enough so it gives them some momentum. And, realistically, how many people are going to buy Xbox One.5 at launch after the mess Microsoft's PR has been lately? DRM fiasco, power of the cloud and power of DX12 nowhere to be seen, Kinect and XBO killed prematurely, most Xbox exclusives releasing also on PC... Who would buy an XBO.5? I sure wouldn't.
Really, with the lack of commitment MS is showing towards console gaming, if you buy an Xbox console and it turns out to be a mess and they kill it in 2 years, it's your fault for not seeing it coming.
Sony should wait it out and let Microsoft hang themselves with the XBO.5 powercord.
I think they are going to target 4K like the XBO targets 1080p. Some games will hit 4K, some will be somewhere in-between, and I think on Xbox we are going to see a lot of dynamic resolution scaling with 4K being the target. If they are going to fully iterative consoles then I see this next iteration being sometimes 4K with the iteration after that being almost always 4K.
Let's not forget that they will both likely be using custom AMD APUs based on new architecture. Trying to compare what they will be able to do with what our current high end PC GPUs can do seems a little pointless. 4X the GPU power using a new manufacturing process and design architecture doesn't seem all that crazy to me.
foolishoptimist
Member
Say you're interested in VR. The PC headsets are significantly more expensive, especially if you need to upgrade your PC. But there's PSVR! Much cheaper, and you already have a PS4! Yay!
Then Sony announce PS4.5, which you need, if you want the best PSVR experience.
Suddenly, a Rift/Vive and maybe a PC upgrade aren't significantly different to your total PSVR costs.
Sure, you could still go the cheaper VR option, but PS4.5 puts Sony in a more direct dollar for dollar competition with other VR headsets, and their headset is the lowest spec'd one.
Thanks bud.
PS4 can output 4K for photos with the PlayMemories app they don't support 4K video yet but HDMI 1.4 can support 4K video.
Better VR means 1080p/90 FPS, so your cartoon is wrong.
If price is the reason that you was getting PSVR why would you buy another PS4 that you don't really need just because it's there?
If the higher specs isn't making you go for the PC VR sets why would the higher specs make you get a new PS4?
You was gonna get PSVR over OR & Vive because it's cheaper then building a PC for VR but all of a sudden because Sony release PS4.5 you feel like you have to have it & now you have the money to choose from buying a PS4.5 + PSVR or building a PC + buying OR?
bitbydeath
Member
He's not asking for better VR though, just 1080p/60fps games.
Uh....normal games.
therealbigrich
Member
Ok well let me ask what is the minimum cost that a console maker can get away with while being able to do majority of games at 4k 30 fps? I figured you would need a 980 ti but ppl are saying 970 or 980 hell even less. I'm just really curious given the best optimization and everything what would you need?
Patrick Klepek
furiously molesting tim burton
Naw, Sony only told us they don't comment on rumors/speculation.