They do it already for PC. This will only add another fixed target in terms of performance.
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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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They do it already for PC. This will only add another fixed target in terms of performance.
Megawarrior
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I'll wait till uncharted 4 first.
Incorrect frame-pacing seems to an engine issue, so beefier hardware will likely not do much.
Stuns me that From Software doesn't give enough shit to patch it though.
That's gonna be unstable as fuck.
Can you link to all of his posts pls, i missed the one about this year [which IMO seems unlikely].
I wouldn't mind a PlayStation 4K, already have a 4K TV. 
Also I'm ok with the Apple model of refreshes, just not every year. Maybe every 4-5, which is what it used to be anyway.
The only problem is branding, will Sony still be using sequential numbering? If it's only light refreshes, numbering may seem off.
We could get to PS9 quickly
Also I'm ok with the Apple model of refreshes, just not every year. Maybe every 4-5, which is what it used to be anyway.
The only problem is branding, will Sony still be using sequential numbering? If it's only light refreshes, numbering may seem off.
We could get to PS9 quickly
Why people are bringing PC and 4k to this?
Last gen the transition from 720p to 1080p was a lot faster than from 1080p to 4k.
Damn some of the bests games from last gen was sub HD when 1080p was already standard and 4k was already showing up.
Same thing for PCs, in 2007 we had Crysis and PC was running games in better quality than consoles just like in this generation.
Last gen the transition from 720p to 1080p was a lot faster than from 1080p to 4k.
Damn some of the bests games from last gen was sub HD when 1080p was already standard and 4k was already showing up.
Same thing for PCs, in 2007 we had Crysis and PC was running games in better quality than consoles just like in this generation.
xaosslug
Member
like, what? Specifically? And if he's mod verified why doesn't he have a little check under his name?
I just can't see them getting the price down that far with the hardware required to do what they are saying...
The GPUs that can pull this off are more than that alone.
Notice how I did not explicitly mention cell phones in my post. Anyways, what the following poster says sums up how I feel:
Last Guardian announcement for ps4 I think
Those are usually for retail insiders.
Paracelsus
Member
No they are not. A quality phone can make your browsing life on neogaf easier while you're outside, you can watch a movie on the go if your contract allows as much, you can do anything basic most people are good enough to do, having a fast phone is convenient. A console is a toy that stays at home, unless we talk 3ds and vita.
This would be no different than upgrading your pc, same costs really, because people on sandy bridge are still only upgrading their gpu for a cost probably lower than this new PS4 and still playing at a much higher quality.
I think this image does a good job illustrating why a console manufacturer might go with an iterative model.
You still get better hardware periodically, but without resetting your install base and software library from zero.
Anyway, for all intents and purposes, Sony and Microsoft are probably going to stick with x86 architecture for the foreseeable future, even if they don't release new consoles until we get a PS5 in 2019 or something. In that situation, the PS5 under the hood is really just an upgraded PS4, but upgraded to a degree that we usually consider to be a "generational leap." At that point there's probably no technical reason not to do backwards compatibility or upgrade the existing OS.
You still get better hardware periodically, but without resetting your install base and software library from zero.
Anyway, for all intents and purposes, Sony and Microsoft are probably going to stick with x86 architecture for the foreseeable future, even if they don't release new consoles until we get a PS5 in 2019 or something. In that situation, the PS5 under the hood is really just an upgraded PS4, but upgraded to a degree that we usually consider to be a "generational leap." At that point there's probably no technical reason not to do backwards compatibility or upgrade the existing OS.
The Xtortionist
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6 0 F P S B L O O D B O R N E B O Y S
More like time to remaster 1-2 year old games.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
That's such bullshit. The reason why there's more bugs is because they're building larger worlds, more systems, and generally making games more complex. With that comes exponentially more test cases and variation on how players can break the game.
Sure adding extra hardware will add to the complexity of testing, but you are so off the mark it's astounding. I can absolutely guarantee you that if someone released a game that was cartridge only in this day and age with the complexity that these games have, it would take 10 years for QA to get through all their tests and within 10 minutes of going out in the wild it would break and on top of that there would be hundreds of thousands of cards getting sent to the publisher getting flashed with the update.
CrimsonEclipse
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So asking again, are people seemingly looking into accepting this? I wasn't able to follow the thread as it moved so quickly. Just curious, cause a different toned was being applied when MS hinted at this.
And who is Zoatic?
And who is Zoatic?
Because the .0s are the ones that will bring them new games (you'll need this one for Driveclub, for Uncharted 4, etc). The .0s will have the more noticeable graphics jump (because the games stop being created based on hardware established years ago). If you're willing to wait 4 years for a refresh, what's making you an early adopter today anyway? Why not buy the console mid-cycle for cheaper, with a larger library, and then keep that for 8 years, and do the same the following gen? It's because you want the new generation when it's new, not simply when it hits its stride. Why would a 4.5 console ruin your PS4 years later, but a PS5 wouldn't do that worse a few short years after that? In the case of the PS5, you'd actually be stuck watching games release that you can't play on your 4.5. It's the far less attractive prospect for the typical early adopter.
MohitParty
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So games like Assassin's Creed/ Battlefront could run at 900p/30fps on the current model and the new model would run it at say 1080p/60fps? As most people are saying, 4k seems like a bit of a stretch unless they mean smaller, less graphic intensive games.
And I don't think game companies would make exclusive games for the new model but if you're into the better fps/ graphics and enjoy the plug n play nature of consoles, you can get the newer model. Plus maybe it will have faster load times or better multitasking. PS4 only uses sata 2 right? They can upgrade that. A usb c slot and a better wifi card would also be great. Better Bluetooth? Imo PS4.5 would be great.
We live in a world where we get yearly upgrades for everything (Sometimes a few months) so it kinda makes sense for us to get an upgrade half way through a cycle which lasts 5 - 8 years.
Plus Xbox might release a new model this year, maybe just a slim or an actually 1.5 upgrade. So Sony probably doesn't want to lose the most powerful console tag.
And I don't think game companies would make exclusive games for the new model but if you're into the better fps/ graphics and enjoy the plug n play nature of consoles, you can get the newer model. Plus maybe it will have faster load times or better multitasking. PS4 only uses sata 2 right? They can upgrade that. A usb c slot and a better wifi card would also be great. Better Bluetooth? Imo PS4.5 would be great.
We live in a world where we get yearly upgrades for everything (Sometimes a few months) so it kinda makes sense for us to get an upgrade half way through a cycle which lasts 5 - 8 years.
Plus Xbox might release a new model this year, maybe just a slim or an actually 1.5 upgrade. So Sony probably doesn't want to lose the most powerful console tag.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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BULLSHIT. I am going to call that Bullshit. Take your time Sony and release it next Fall!
mugurumakensei
Member
Yea people still got the old mindset of programming assembly to the GPU. To the metal these days just means a high level function that does something precise on the GPU as opposed to the sending a command to the GPU and it actually does four or five things but the details are hidden from you.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Honestly? 6 or even 5 years wouldn't be that bad if they wanna just upgrade the consoles from now on, but right now it looks like to be 3 years and that is really bad.
NoctisVsStar
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Where's verendus and Bish when you need them ;_;?
Lights up the bat signal*
Lights up the bat signal*
Obliterator
Member
Holy fuck at Zoetis in this thread.
This is legit difficult for me to to believe at this point. That its 4k legit, not insanely expensive, and this year. How is such a thing possible
This is legit difficult for me to to believe at this point. That its 4k legit, not insanely expensive, and this year. How is such a thing possible
CaptainCook
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I'm in for this kind of console future. I'm tired of systems being stagnant for several years at a time
ArchedThunder
Banned
Guess I'll be investing in a new graphics card this year.
It was fun, Bloodborne machine.
New games would still work on the original PS4.
I am completely baffled that so many people don't seem to understand what is going on here.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Guess I'll be investing in a new graphics card this year.
It was fun, Bloodborne machine.
Until you realize it'll run Bloodborne and Bloodborne 2 at 60fps...
I think this is a good policy, but when PS5.5 is out, they can ditch PS4.
Silent Hill
Banned
Who is Zoetis?
Mister Megative
Banned
Look, you can have sick visuals or a well-organized UI, but not both. Stop being so fucking entitled, squirrel.
Cow Goes Moo
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there you go
welp late again
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
It's not
Great summary, thanks, seems crazy about the dates (reveal at E3, releasing this year), his other posts seems reasonable, if we are taking that 4K gaming as equal to 1080P on PS3 like you said.
Cynn
Member
I'm OK with all of that. BRING IT ON!
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I think the more likely scenario would be that the PS4.5 runs Bloodborne 2 at 30 FPS and the PS4 version runs worse than that.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
Been trying to have this answered as well, but my posts must be invisible.