Laziness from the developer is not an excuse for remove swimming in a game like tomb raider.
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Lara Croft can't swim in the reboot? The hell? + Regen health - 12/15 hr SP
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Laziness from the developer is not an excuse for remove swimming in a game like tomb raider.
I haven't even seen her get guns yet. Is it a cover shooter? I saw her sneak behind some rocks to run away, but I haven't seen her do any cover shooting yet.
Both the artwork for the early concepts, and the final game they made seem to focus on using a bow. The gameplay would likely have been very similar.
Don't forget the moaning. Oooohhhhh the moaning.
AgentChris
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That person fails at life.
HyperCubed4
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I get the survival angle they're going for and I would be all for it, had they not included regenerating health. This is going to be my first Tomb Raider game, oddly enough, so I'm not as outraged as some people here are.
toddhunter
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Swimming? Not too big a loss.
Not being able to swan dive from something really high you just spent an hour climbing? Sorry but that isn't a tomb raider game.
Not being able to swan dive from something really high you just spent an hour climbing? Sorry but that isn't a tomb raider game.
Criminal Upper
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That's a video of Uncharted 3.
Fix your link, and please post Tomb Rai---
Wait no, that is Tomb Raider, nevermind.
Yes and before that concept art and details were released when it was originally going to be a very different project. It was originally about lara marooned on a Japenese island that she could explore. The island was inhabitad by strange creatures from japenese folklore. It was open world with metroidvania elements and it would have had a survival horror slant.
Then somewhere along the way they decided to just make an uncharted clone
HOLY SHIT I never knew of this. This sounds ten times more interesting, whyyyyyy
toastyToast
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What's the point of hunting and scavenging if Lara can magically regenerate all her injuries.
Except those usedas a plot device in order to impair your movement to piss you off
Except those used
killertofu
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So the entire game is Lara being beat to shit?
Because that was one of the most horribly unfun game mechanics of all time.
Thanks, I guess I forgot that one. Looks pretty awesome. Yeah, I guess there's some cover shooting. But it looked like the cover got destroyed almost instantly in a lot of cases. And since she was using a bow against multiple people with machine guns, she had to use the environment to get an advantage such as shooting the lamp, or the barrels.
I don't think she'll be fighting dozens of armed guys in a fortified position very often. Looks like it's kind of a turning point in the story.
And again, she was using the bow almost the whole time, which looks like the artwork in the early concepts to me. I don't see what's so different. The game still has survival elements, only now the enemy is just other people instead of monsters.
Looks good so far. Way better than most of the recent Tomb Raider games. I'd like more exploration, so maybe they can get into that kind of thing more if they get to a sequel. After all, by the end of this story she'd probably be the old Laura that most remember, with the mansion and focus on tombs, etc. I don't get why everyone's bitching so much about the tiniest things before they've even tried it.
Sure.
See, deconstruction through the attack of ones' identity, is the first stage of brainwashing.
If they want to rebuild Lara, they first have to destroy her.
That video + heavier emphasis on story + no swimming + 12 hours campaign(which means 8 hours campaign), makes for a worrysome picture, if you're a Tomb Raider fan.
Ofcourse, it may end up being a decent to good game in its own right, just not a Tomb Raider.
From since i can remember, all the fans asked from the franchise was: Less guns/combat, more exploration.
This is, literally, the opposite of that.
To get experience points, I guess.
MulderWasTaken
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It takes place on an island. Why do you want her to swim? Are you going to swim out to the sea for miles and miles until you die? I don't see the point.
Well, am actually scared of that game now.
I REALLY fear now that they will reboot this thing changing Lara completely and that she will become some stupid frail women in need of protection. The worse you can do about a female hero and basically what killed Metroid Other M from being anything resembling a good game. Can't swim? come the fuck on. I hope a man will teach her at some point during the game heh? lol
Seriously, I am prepared to anything now. 2012 wow. Maybe the end of world should come afterall. lol
I REALLY fear now that they will reboot this thing changing Lara completely and that she will become some stupid frail women in need of protection. The worse you can do about a female hero and basically what killed Metroid Other M from being anything resembling a good game. Can't swim? come the fuck on. I hope a man will teach her at some point during the game heh? lol
Seriously, I am prepared to anything now. 2012 wow. Maybe the end of world should come afterall. lol
But Bayonetta 2...
Chuck Norris
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Uncharted 3 had some pretty awesome swimming segments
Are you serious? The past TR could've taken place on an siland and you would've had to swim all the same.
artificial pools in tombs, underground rivers, actual rivers etc etc..
Connecting the dots between her not being able to swim and her being a weaker female character seems to me like reaching at straws.
She just massacred a half dozen armed guys in the video linked a few posts back, stabbing one in the throat pretty brutally.
"stupid frail woman in need of protection." I don't see it.
I'd like more exploration too. But most of the posters here are ignoring everything that looks amazing about this game, and focusing on only the bad. We don't really know how much exploration the game has yet, and we don't really know what the puzzles will be like.
And there is no Tomb Raider fan consensus that said less combat is what everyone wants. So far this Tomb Raider has generated more interest than the last couple combined. All I'm saying is that people should keep an open mind, think of the series long term and what they could accomplish in future games, and maybe try it or read a review before completely making up their mind.
People are just trying to tear this game down for sport now after a string of over-inflated bad publicity. A lot of it is just irrational mob hatred and bandwagoning. Tomb Raider was hardly a sacred series before this game.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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12-15 hours, hope that's about right.
Maybe 5+ hours with DLC?
Maybe 5+ hours with DLC?
If that's the feeling the game can give thought its story it could ruin it. I mean, Samus is doing a bunch of cool things but it didn't prevent me from feeling she was a little emotional girl in Other M. I just don't want them to ruin Lara, I don't fear much for the gameplay in itself.
matrix-cat
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This thread has reminded me how much I loved the TR Legend trilogy. Really solid platforming mechanics and huge, sprawling levels. Legend comes from the early days of QTEs, so it doesn't hold up so well, but I played Underworld again recently and it's still glorious. At one point Lara shows up in South America, says some things to her radio pals, and then the game just leaves you to it. You're in a gigantic level with multiple tombs separated by motorcyle paths, and you just ride around slowly working everything out. Over the next three hours or so you solve a bunch of puzzles, open a huge door to another tomb, bring the bike down with you and actually use it to solve yet more puzzles. No cutscenes, no run-towards-the-camera setpieces, just a bunch of awesome Tomb Raider goodness.
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You do know that many islands have inland bodies of water correct? Or do you just see them as solid land?
Every type of land has inland bodies of water. People were implying that because its an island, OF COURSE she would swim. The only distinguishing factor in an island is that its surrounded by water. So he was right in pointing out that its mostly pointless to swim in the ocean surrounding an island.
EternalDarko
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I didn't say it made sense...but from his wording, that's what it sort of implies.
It seemed from his posts that he didn't think people would want to swim in lakes and rivers, just swim out to sea.
IrishNinja
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it worked in double dragon, for jump-kicks
doniewhalberg
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Gotta say, I think this game looks great. People seem awful rubbed up the wrong way by it/things the devs have said and so on, but all the game play has looked great, and Crystal D have usually made great games bar Underworld (thought that was a good bit undercooked). SE seem to have had a good handle on their western studios since they bought Eidos too. I don't know, this seems like a game to be excited for, not lament. To each their own though.
No but I could shoot guns and ride horses. You know things cowboys do.
I wasn't on board with a lot of the negative attention this game got on GAF, but I've gotten burned so many times this year on big hyped up games that I think I'm just going to wait for reviews or impressions from a friend at this point. I'm just tired of being disappointed and this doesn't really sound like the direction I was hoping things would go.
Yes, a game that takes place in the early 20st century with the majority of the landscape being desert. The comparisons are limitless!
The more I read about it the less I like it.
Following the marketing for this it seems they don't know where to take this and change design and ideas on the fly instead of having a clear vision for the game.
The whole "you need to protect her" drama and how they dealt with it and what news and information came out after that was like a train wreck. Information about the game just doesn't feel connected and doesn't give me a good idea of what their vision is with the game.
Following the marketing for this it seems they don't know where to take this and change design and ideas on the fly instead of having a clear vision for the game.
The whole "you need to protect her" drama and how they dealt with it and what news and information came out after that was like a train wreck. Information about the game just doesn't feel connected and doesn't give me a good idea of what their vision is with the game.
You could swim in Assassin's Creed 2 and could not in the first Assassin's Creed. Both had multiple bodies of water -- unlike, say, a game about cowboys.
And people cared!
Always-honest
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Does she still get wet though?
I don't trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die!
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