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LittleBigPlanet 3 |OT| #4TheLayers
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Platinum_D
Member
Ready to pick up mines on Tuesday !!
I was a little scared to touch it in the beta. It's something that must be carefully managed, and you have to design your level based around certain parts not being loaded, otherwise the whole thing could screw up. Unless you're just making a gigantic simple platformer.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
It's going to be my default setting from now on. You have a permanency tweaker and a preload tweaker. The permanancy tweaker allows any logic that has been streamed in to remain in the level even when the rest has been deleted. This is to make sure certain logic that may effect ALL of the level doesn't get compromised. The Preload tweaker is similar but in reverse. It preloads data that maybe later in the level but covers ALL of the level.
travisbickle
Member
I don't understand how this level is made without imposing on the layers limit? In the comments it says something about a topdown design but with a 3D camera?
Icyflamez96
Member
I've been creating my levels in independent sections for like, years now just so I could do the emitter exploit.... I guess that shouldn't be much of an issue for me then.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
It's actually not that difficult as long as you don't glue anything and just use static for most of your 'permanent' level creation. I set it to 'narrow', set the camera way back to test my pistons out and even though each piston (with material attached) streamed in, they all worked perfectly fine.
One thing I noticed about the permanency tweaker was you can't put it on the logic but rather you put it on the material the logic is attached to. I suppose it makes perfect sense now I'm typing it but at first I couldn't understand why my tailor made sackboy death animation wasn't kicking in.
One caveat I will say about the infinite level point is for some reason it wouldn't work with the blank background, just the themed background. I'm hoping that gets fixed in the final code but it's no biggy.
boredandlazy
Member
Wouldn't you think by default the PS4 version will retain much more persistent data than the PS3 version? So this dynamic thermo shouldn't be much of an issue?
I dunno why. 3 is looking like the best LittleBigPlanet yet.
Icyflamez96
Member
Has anything been said about the music sequencer? Please tell me they've added more, non crappy instruments/synths.
This level is using an old lbp2 glitch as far as I know. The level is actually top down, but the camera is glitched in a way that makes it look like the back of the level is the bottom. Notice how the camera isn't moving and how some of the jumping mechanics aren't ironed out.
Though the character rotation tweaks and animation tweaks are quite powerful :3
Heh i'm probably gonna end up bugging people to convert midi tracks into LBP sequencer tracks again.
I can usually get whatever enemy design I was going for to translate over pretty accurately from sketch to LBP creation, but when it comes to transposing music? No dice lol.
Icyflamez96
Member
music is all me. I suck at designing enemies lol
Yeah, even if you dont take advantage of it gameplay wise (internal structures and so on) it'll be nice for background visuals.
Americanmushroom
Banned
Wtf. I think the exact opposite. For me LBP2 was the revolutionary game not the first one. As platformer it didn't change that much but the possibilities in create mode were soooo much more advanced thanks to the microchips
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I'll be joining you in a month. My current diet of games (the "not waste invest money on too many games you don't end up playing"-diet) has made me move up this a month. But then I'll be back building them levels.
Naughty_Doge
Member
Swoop is definitely the cutest of the gang.
agreed!
bananafactory
Banned
Ahhh just checked the tracking and my copy arrived in my city today!
I wonder if it'll go out for delivery tomorrow instead of Tuesday :O
I wonder if it'll go out for delivery tomorrow instead of Tuesday :O
bananafactory
Banned
And I just want to say, can we take a step back and realize what an age we live in where we can sit here in a GAF OT and have our questions answered by someone who worked on the game?
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Awesome, glad you liked it! I think one or two may have seen this via twitter.That's pretty awesome! I'll be sure to share this with the rest of the team tomorrow.
bananafactory
Banned
Well he didn't exactly make an account yesterday
Oh I know, haha. It just still blows my mind, if you told me 15 years ago this would be possible I'd have laughed at you.
EdReedFan20
Member
That's pretty awesome! I'll be sure to share this with the rest of the team tomorrow.
When making or playing second-screen based levels, does LBP3 take advantage of the Vita's native second screen functionality or do we need to have LBP2's cross-controller app installed on Vita.
SerTapTap
Member
The first was amazing start to finish, and at the time had completely unparalleled creation abilities as a console game. Create Mode was really the only thing significantly improved in LBP2, some really important stuff was added, but as a package it's much less impressive to me than LBP1 was, and LBP3 seems like a bigger jump in that regard as well--more characters, more planes, the 3D movement, sounds like there's more movement options too and surely a bunch I'm forgetting.
Microchips were pretty big though--I never learned to properly use 'em myself.
TimeEffect
Member
Wish we could do a poll for favourite character!
Also, thinking of LBP as a whole, the first one always will be remembered nostalgically, but I really think the themes in the first one had a charm to it that LBP 2 and 3 lack!
It mostly comes from the worldly themes, where every set of levels was set in a location around the world, featuring cultural music, designs, and environments. Mexico, India, England, African Sahara, New York, Japan, Russia!
There was also a charm in the series for not having any voiceover, except for Stephen Fry.
I wasn't completely into LBP2's setting/story because of the added voiceovers, characters (Elvis impersonator was blah), and the themes, and I hope LBP3 improves upon this, despite seeming to be more akin to LBP2 in some areas.
In others, like the tutorial/starting level, LBP3 seems much more vibrant, like LBP1, with the garden/picnic setting. So awesome. It's better than the LBP1 and 2, it's just so happy, colorful, and fun looking.
Also, thinking of LBP as a whole, the first one always will be remembered nostalgically, but I really think the themes in the first one had a charm to it that LBP 2 and 3 lack!
It mostly comes from the worldly themes, where every set of levels was set in a location around the world, featuring cultural music, designs, and environments. Mexico, India, England, African Sahara, New York, Japan, Russia!
There was also a charm in the series for not having any voiceover, except for Stephen Fry.
I wasn't completely into LBP2's setting/story because of the added voiceovers, characters (Elvis impersonator was blah), and the themes, and I hope LBP3 improves upon this, despite seeming to be more akin to LBP2 in some areas.
In others, like the tutorial/starting level, LBP3 seems much more vibrant, like LBP1, with the garden/picnic setting. So awesome. It's better than the LBP1 and 2, it's just so happy, colorful, and fun looking.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Thinking that this is a game I need to pick up digitally just to drop in and out of.
Loved the first two and the Vita version.
Loved the first two and the Vita version.
bananafactory
Banned
Are we picking sides in the cuteness war now?
#TeamOddsock
But damn Swoop is close
#TeamOddsock
But damn Swoop is close
Americanmushroom
Banned
Yeah as I said, platformer wise, LBP2 wasnt a big jump. But the fact you could make a ; racer, shooter, puzzle game, ... any game for that matter made it waaay more revolutionary for me
travisbickle
Member
As much as we love you, there isn't an achievement tied to listening to all of them is there? That was a grind before.
This sounds a bit like scribblenauts. So you're actually using the create mode tools as gameplay puzzle elements? That sounds great and might help me stay the course - I always start out learning the create tools but give up halfway through because it is too much to absorb at once.
Ten days wait is painful but if I buy it from the U.S. store then any DLC will need to be from there too.
McBradders
NeoGAF: my new HOME
No achievement for tutorial watching/participating. There's a few for Popit Puzzles though but they're actually fun
#TeamSwoop
I think the most daunting thing creation-wise is utilizing all 16 layers effectively. I think the single player campaign will probably contextualize this better, but designing a level around 16 layers allows for much more freedom than a background/playable/foreground set up that you could default to in earlier games. Do I fill up all of that space or design my levels with a lot of open space? Or should I use those layers for background depth? And if I fill it up, how do I do so without it looking like filler?
Have a very rough idea in my head of an Avengers level where Iron Man is using bendy rails to fly inbetween buildings to get to the Avengers Tower, and in that case I can see how you can fill the space with buildings, but for the rest of the level who knows.
Have a very rough idea in my head of an Avengers level where Iron Man is using bendy rails to fly inbetween buildings to get to the Avengers Tower, and in that case I can see how you can fill the space with buildings, but for the rest of the level who knows.
Americanmushroom
Banned
Still no reviews? I dont really care for them but it would be nice if it motivates people to buy it. This series deserves more love then just from kids
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Here's the first 20 minutes if you're interested. There is more but two is enough. It's the PS3 version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iszq0frrLAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKch5DPrduE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iszq0frrLAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKch5DPrduE
tensuke
Member
Great OT! I'm only getting GTAV atm but I'm definitely getting this when I can afford it. I love LBP1&2 and this just looks so much more amazing. Can't wait to see what the talented and creative online community comes up with.
Hope there's a new mortal kombat level! That was a blast. And longer levels like the amazing Uncharted one, oh my. And I forgot all the DLC carries over! I'm ecstatic!!
Hope there's a new mortal kombat level! That was a blast. And longer levels like the amazing Uncharted one, oh my. And I forgot all the DLC carries over! I'm ecstatic!!
"Playstation 4 - 1080p, 30fps (framerate locked to 30 to maintain compatibility with LBP1/2 levels)"
Oh, it could switch back to 30 fps only for those levels. How about that? They could have gone with "to maintain compatibility across platforms for new and old levels alike".
I think their core engine is designed around 30hz and it was too cumbersome to change that. But backwards compatibility is a very lame excuse.
Also, I hope I don't have to play the game to start using materials, because I actually don't like playing LBP at all, creating is where it was at, for me. They should give us those from the get go.
Oh, it could switch back to 30 fps only for those levels. How about that? They could have gone with "to maintain compatibility across platforms for new and old levels alike".
I think their core engine is designed around 30hz and it was too cumbersome to change that. But backwards compatibility is a very lame excuse.
Also, I hope I don't have to play the game to start using materials, because I actually don't like playing LBP at all, creating is where it was at, for me. They should give us those from the get go.
I guess it's also to maintain compatibility with the PS3 version. Levels created in one work on the other.
Yes, that'd indeed be the more reasonable excuse... (hence I suggested "across platforms")