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[Solo]

Igoritza has flashed to Solo circa mid-S5.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

no, i just dismiss the explanation within the show - "ben will forget" WHY ???

Sayid didnt forget anything. why did ben, and how did Richard know that in advance ?

Sayid didnt forget because the healing pool wasnt working if you remember. Also why wouldnt Richard know, hes been on the island for 100+ years, he probably knew plenty about the temple

 

[Dead]

Igoritza has flashed to Solo circa mid-S5.

Hey now, I read those threads, Even when you were hating, you were still coherent :lol

 

[Fuu]

I have a friend who said he hates lost now after the finale, he was talking about how the show is all stupid now, and i was like "they moved the island with a freaking frozen donkey wheel, yet THIS is a problem!?"

He was obviously just looking for reasons that the show sucked that wernt there.

He has also come to the conclusion that they were definetly making it all up as they went along, even though hes only been watching the show for a few months.

He also asked questions like "why was Lockes dad on the island, this show is so shit!"

We are no longer friends :lol

Sigh, I also saw a few (even "professionals") throwing fits that the show is shit now, the writers are trolls who didn't have a clue about anything and nothing that happened mattered in the end, etc, etc. Even if the finale sucks for someone I'd think it's pretty hard for it to invalidate 6 years and 120 episodes of awesome entertainment. I hope some of the people that are overreacting right now are able to look back on The End and the rest of the series under a different light after they calm down (or just move on and shut up).

I have some irl friends that loved it + some that disliked it and we want to sit down and discuss the show one of these days. Fun times ahead. :lol

 

[Solo]

Hey now, I read those thread, Even when you were hating, you were still coherent :lol

I always find that is a critical part of debate :lol

 

[Igoritza]

Sayid didnt forget because the healing pool wasnt working if you remember. Also why wouldnt Richard know, hes been on the island for 100+ years, he probably knew plenty about the temple

ok, so this is a new theory:

when the healing pool works - it heals people, giving them short term memory

when the healing pool DOESNT WORK, it HEALS poeple, but with no memory loss ?



i win this argument

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

ok, so this is a new theory:

when the healing pool works - it heals people, giving them short term memory

when the healing pool DOESNT WORK, it HEALS poeple, but with no memory loss ?



i win this argument

No no no, you got it all wrong.


Jacob did it.

 

[Staccat0]

no, i just dismiss the explanation within the show - "ben will forget" WHY ???

Sayid didnt forget anything. why did ben, and how did Richard know that in advance ?

ITS A MAGIC POOL OF WATER THAT STOPPED BEING MAGIC (or at least stopped being 'good' magic) WHEN THE MAGIC DUDE ON THE ISLAND DIED.
What more rationale explanation can you expect beyond, "he forgets because this is fiction, its convenient for the writers and ITS FUCKING MAGIC"

Jesus dude, you don't get to pick and choose what matters and what does not.
Its one thing to have a question, but its another to do so while arguing with the canon of the show while sporting a DBZ avatar and ignoring the source material you are picking apart.

Fine you hate LOST. Whatever dude, just don't pretend it wasn't addressed on the show. We don't really care if you LIKED the answer.
Just find a new show to watch. No harm, no foul, but IT WAS addressed on the show.

 

[bogg]

I remember hearing or reading an interview with Lindelcuse, and they were talking about how they went to explain to the abc guys how season 2 is basically about pushing a button every 108 minutes or the world will end :lol

 

[Blader]

ok, so this is a new theory:

when the healing pool works - it heals people, giving them short term memory

when the healing pool DOESNT WORK, it HEALS poeple, but with no memory loss ?



i win this argument

When the healing pool didn't work, it didn't heal anything. Dogen's hand was still cut and Sayid still died.

And before you post "hurr but sayid came back to life," I'll just point out that Miles tells Sayid it wasn't the Others who revived Sayid, but something else -- later revealed to be MIB, specifically his Sickness.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

ok, so this is a new theory:

when the healing pool works - it heals people, giving them short term memory

when the healing pool DOESNT WORK, it HEALS poeple, but with no memory loss ?



i win this argument

no

seriously no wonder you dont like the show, you havent got a fucking scooby :lol

 

[Igoritza]

No no no, you got it all wrong.


Jacob did it.

oh, silly me, of course Jacob did it ..

CALL 999-JACOB-1234 for Mystical broken pool, that works better than the new one! (works twice better with a dead Pakistani in it)

 

[Dead]

When the healing pool didn't work, it didn't heal anything. Dogen's hand was still cut and Sayid still died.

And before you post "hurr but sayid came back to life," I'll just point out that Miles tells Sayid it wasn't the Others who revived Sayid, but something else -- later revealed to be MIB, specifically his Sickness.

For whatever its worth, I think its pretty obvious that Sayid was infected through the pool due to the darkened waters (biggest clue right there)

and you could surmise that Sayid never really died per se, hence why Miles was getting those strange "readings" (or lack thereof) off of Sayid.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

It's cool guys, Igoritza is right. The dude has got it nailed to the wall.

Every answer on Lost is Jacob did it. No need to explain it further, this is all Igoritza needs to know.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

When the healing pool didn't work, it didn't heal anything. Dogen's hand was still cut and Sayid still died.

And before you post "hurr but sayid came back to life," I'll just point out that Miles tells Sayid it wasn't the Others who revived Sayid, but something else -- later revealed to be MIB, specifically his Sickness.

I wonder how Igoritza is going to pick this apart, i dont see how he could now.

Im sure he will try though

 

[Igoritza]

When the healing pool didn't work, it didn't heal anything. Dogen's hand was still cut and Sayid still died.

And before you post "hurr but sayid came back to life," I'll just point out that Miles tells Sayid it wasn't the Others who revived Sayid, but something else -- later revealed to be MIB, specifically his Sickness.

and that leads us to the question : why and how can MiB heal, no, not heal - resurrect dead people ?? on that matter - a candidate ?

im gonna drag this out and go all the way back in to the show to point out why that doesnt make sense, and why MiB cant resurrect dead ones ...

as far as i know - the temple was STILL surrounded by the Ashes, so, if you're gonna tell me that he actually DID have Jesus powers - he couldnt use them.

 

[bogg]

It's cool guys, Igoritza is right. The dude has got it nailed to the wall.

Every answer on Lost is Jacob did it. No need to explain it further, this is all Igoritza needs to know.

They were dead all along so what fucking difference does it make anyway?
IT WAS ALL A DREAM.

 

[Solo]

ELECTROMAGNETISM

There, I win every LOST debate that ever has been, is, and ever will be. Its all bloody real, now press the damned button!

 

[Igoritza]

I wonder how Igoritza is going to pick this apart, i dont see how he could now.

Im sure he will try though

your explanation about tainted water in the pool doesnt work - MiB couldnt do it, cause he cant:

touch the water

enter teh temple (even via the plumbing)

Sayid was then resurrected by .. ? Yoda ?

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Did Igoritza just ask how MiB resurrected Sayid?

Really?

He's a smoke monster, he has magic fucking powers

 

[Dead]

and that leads us to the question : why and how can MiB heal, no, not heal - resurrect dead people ?? on that matter - a candidate ?

im gonna drag this out and go all the way back in to the show to point out why that doesnt make sense, and why MiB cant resurrect dead ones ...

as far as i know - the temple was STILL surrounded by the Ashes, so, if you're gonna tell me that he actually DID have Jesus powers - he couldnt use them.

For whatever its worth, I think its pretty obvious that Sayid was infected through the pool due to the darkened waters (biggest clue right there)

and you could surmise that Sayid never really died per se, hence why Miles was getting those strange "readings" (or lack thereof) off of Sayid.

All the hints are there man.

I thought you knew EVERY fact about the show?

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

and that leads us to the question : why and how can MiB heal, no, not heal - resurrect dead people ?? on that matter - a candidate ?

im gonna drag this out and go all the way back in to the show to point out why that doesnt make sense, and why MiB cant resurrect dead ones ...

as far as i know - the temple was STILL surrounded by the Ashes, so, if you're gonna tell me that he actually DID have Jesus powers - he couldnt use them.

Dude, it's very apparent that Jacob did it. Jacob zombified Sayid to give a weapon to MiB, because Jacob doesn't like his entertainment to be one sided and over quickly.

 

[VariantX04]

nanomachines

 

[Blader]

For whatever its worth, I think its pretty obvious that Sayid was infected through the pool due to the darkened waters (biggest clue right there)

and you could surmise that Sayid never really died per se, hence why Miles was getting those strange "readings" (or lack thereof) off of Sayid.

I don't think so. Otherwise Dogen and Lennon would have been infected, and it wouldn't explain how Claire and the French team were infected as well (especially since Claire was fully "claimed" in between leaving with Christian and talking to Locke in the cabin).

and that leads us to the question : why and how can MiB heal, no, not heal - resurrect dead people ?? on that matter - a candidate ?

im gonna drag this out and go all the way back in to the show to point out why that doesnt make sense, and why MiB cant resurrect dead ones ...

as far as i know - the temple was STILL surrounded by the Ashes, so, if you're gonna tell me that he actually DID have Jesus powers - he couldnt use them.

MIB doesn't go around resurrecting people personally, it's the Sickness that brought Sayid and Claire and some of the French team back.

 

[Catalix]

ELECTROMAGNETISM

There, I win every LOST debate that ever has been, is, and ever will be. Its all bloody real, now press the damned button!

NANOMACHINES

I got gaming-age covered.

edit: F U, AgentWhiskersX. Straight up

 

[Dead]

I don't think so. Otherwise Dogen and Lennon would have been infected, and it wouldn't explain how Claire and the French team were infected as well (especially since Claire was fully "claimed" in between leaving with Christian and talking to Locke in the cabin).



MIB doesn't go around resurrecting people personally, it's the Sickness that brought Sayid and Claire and some of the French team back.

The infection is obviously targetted. Otherwise there would be hundreds of infected people on the Island.

Sayid was infected so MIB could get a man inside to do his job. Dogen and Lennon died after the fact, they had no use for MIB anymore.

I see your point, but I think the darkened waters is a direct visual clue imo. Also, doesn't mean that its the ONLY way for MIB to claim people. Claire spent 3 years with MIB, and she only went with him at first because she thought it was her father, and we never saw what really happened with the French team.

 

[Blader]

The infection is obviously targetted. Otherwise there would be hundreds of infected people on the Island.

Sayid was infected so MIB could get a man inside to do his job. Dogen and Lennon died after the fact, they had no use for MIB anymore.

I see your point, but I think the darkened waters is a direct visual clue imo. Also, doesn't mean that its the ONLY way for MIB to claim people.

So you're saying that the Sickness would have infected the pool, and that's how it got Sayid?

 

[Dead]

So you're saying that the Sickness would have infected the pool, and that's how it got Sayid?

Pretty much.

and like I said, I think Miles reaction kinda says that he wasn't truly dead. Otherwise, if he was, Miles would be able to get a read off of him.

 

[bogg]

The thing I don't get is why nobody is asking what the fuck was up with Jacob this season? He came to Hugo as a ghost, then he fucked with Flock's mind as a kid that the losties can see, later we find out that he is still fucking there or something so he can explain to the remaining candidates whats up and pass on the job. But the only thing that doesn't make sense to people is why the fuck Ben didn't remember Sayid, or why Walt was special?
And how did Sayid lose his Iraqi accent so fast?

 

[Solo]

Lets all forget that the temple ever happened.

 

[bistromathics]

ITS A MAGIC POOL OF WATER THAT STOPPED BEING MAGIC (or at least stopped being 'good' magic) WHEN THE MAGIC DUDE ON THE ISLAND DIED.
What more rationale explanation can you expect beyond, "he forgets because this is fiction, its convenient for the writers and ITS FUCKING MAGIC"

Jesus dude, you don't get to pick and choose what matters and what does not.
Its one thing to have a question, but its another to do so while arguing with the canon of the show while sporting a DBZ avatar and ignoring the source material you are picking apart.

Fine you hate LOST. Whatever dude, just don't pretend it wasn't addressed on the show. We don't really care if you LIKED the answer.
Just find a new show to watch. No harm, no foul, but IT WAS addressed on the show.

don't say 'we' like everyone has your back. people can be disappointed with some aspects and still appreciate the show as a whole, you know.

 

[Dead]

The thing I don't get is why nobody is asking what the fuck was up with Jacob this season? He came to Hugo as a ghost, then he fucked with Flock's mind as a kid that the losties can see, later we find out that he is still fucking there or something so he can explain to the renaming candidates whats up and pass on the job. But the only thing that doesn't make sense to people is why the fuck Ben didn't remember Sayid, or why Walt was special?
And how did Sayid loose his Iraqi accent so soon?

There was Jacob as a ghost that Hurley saw

Then there was a temporary Kid Jacob, there as long as Jacobs ashes were there.

The ashes were burnt, bringing back real Jacob (previously kid) for a temporary period. When the fire of the ashes was completely burnt out, he would disappear forever.

 

[Blader]

Pretty much.

and like I said, I think Miles reaction kinda says that he wasn't truly dead. Otherwise, if he was, Miles would be able to get a read off of him.

Ok. I dig.

The thing I don't get is why nobody is asking what the fuck was up with Jacob this season? He came to Hugo as a ghost, then he fucked with Flock's mind as a kid that the losties can see, later we find out that he is still fucking there or something so he can explain to the remaining candidates whats up and pass on the job. But the only thing that doesn't make sense to people is why the fuck Ben didn't remember Sayid, or why Walt was special?
And how did Sayid loose his Iraqi accent so soon?

I think burning the ashes is what made Jacob physical again, for a short time.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

As for young Jacob running around...I don't have a fucking clue.

Yea, seriously....there is no explanation for that. For some reason, they never even tried. And it was a mysteru they introduced in the final season, they had to've thought about it for a sec.:lol :lol They timed it well though, because Young jacob's wtf moment came at the point where people cared the least (re:WTDF):lol .

 

[bogg]

I think you guys missed my point. :lol
I'm talking about how people don't care about some crazy stuff, but focus on other stuff like the fucking food drop or whatever to prove their point that the show doesn't make any sense.

 

[Blader]

Yea, seriously....there is no explanation for that. For some reason, they never even tried. And it was a mysteru they introduced in the final season, they had to've thought about it for a sec.:lol :lol They timed it well though, because Young jacob's wtf moment came at the point where people cared the least (re:WTDF):lol .

Between kid Jacob running around and Illana's backstory being cut, I'm thinking there must have been some kind of shift in the writing room this year. Maybe something unexpected happened, or they just realized they had less time than they thought.

 

[Dead]

Kid Jacob didn't appear until Illana took Jacobs ashes btw

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Between kid Jacob running around and Illana's backstory being cut, I'm thinking there must have been some kind of shift in the writing room this year. Maybe something unexpected happened, or they just realized they had less time than they thought.

Basically. there could be a lot of deleted scenes explaining this shit on the DVD.

 

[WillyFive]

Lets all forget that the temple ever happened.

Why?

 

[Plywood]

Why are you all arguing!? DOGEN IS DEAD!

 

[Solo]

Why?

Because it might be the worst thing they did on this show, and feels completely out of place with the rest of the series.

 

[Dead]

Between kid Jacob running around and Illana's backstory being cut, I'm thinking there must have been some kind of shift in the writing room this year. Maybe something unexpected happened, or they just realized they had less time than they thought.

Illana being cut is most likely because they realized they didnt have enough time to do it properly. I don't see really see a correlation there.

Kid Jacob appeared after Illana took the ashes

Kid Jacob disappeared when the ashes were burnt, allowing normal Jacob to appear temporarily.

Don't think there is anything else to it.

 

[Catalix]

Kid Jacob didn't appear until Illana took Jacobs ashes btw

But why were these two versions of Jacob running around the Island at the same time?

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Illana being cut is most likely because they realized they didnt have enough time to do it properly. I don't see really see a correlation there.

Kid Jacob appeared after Illana took the ashes

Kid Jacob disappeared when the ashes were burnt, allowing normal Jacob to appear temporarily.

Don't think there is anything else to it.

Why have it be Kid Jacob at all? And why was Kid Jacob physically able to grab the ashes? Why not just ask Hugo to dump the ashes in a fire?

 

[Dead]

Because it might be the worst thing they did on this show, and feels completely out of place with the rest of the series.

Sorry, nothing is worse than Darth Charlie from season 2

 

[Blader]

Illana being cut is most likely because they realized they didnt have enough time to do it properly. I don't see really see a correlation there.

Kid Jacob appeared after Illana took the ashes

Kid Jacob disappeared when the ashes were burnt, allowing normal Jacob to appear temporarily.

Don't think there is anything else to it.

How does Jacob's ashes being in a bag cause a physical replica of a kid from 2000 years ago to appear?

jeez, what a sentence :lol

 

[MMaRsu]

I don't think thats exactly fair.
I think the problem comes mostly from people "catching up" with lost later and watching all the seasons in a month.
We've all had time to let each episode cook and come to reasonable conclusions about a lot of the mysteries on the show.
People who blew through it all probably expected some blatant answers like Micheal's answer about the whispers in season 6.

Mysteries were a big part of why I watched the show, but I don't need them specifically and canonically addressed on the show to consider them answered. Its far more fulfilling when they just give you all the hints and peices to the puzzle.

This is really not true, I've blown through the whole of S1-5 in a short amount of time for the first time ever last year, and the mystery's are not all that I watched it for. The characters are great. I loved all of Lost.

 

[Dead]

Why have it be Kid Jacob at all? And why was Kid Jacob physically able to grab the ashes? Why not just ask Hugo to dump the ashes in a fire?

Just making shit more mysterious than it really needs to be.

How does Jacob's ashes being in a bag cause a physical replica of a kid from 2000 years ago to appear?

jeez, what a sentence :lol

Who the hell knows :lol But the correlation is kinda clear imo.

 

[sinny]

Because it might be the worst thing they did on this show, and feels completely out of place with the rest of the series.

totally agree, also the set was awful

 

[Catalix]

Illana being cut is most likely because they realized they didnt have enough time to do it properly. I don't see really see a correlation there.

Kid Jacob appeared after Illana took the ashes

Kid Jacob disappeared when the ashes were burnt, allowing normal Jacob to appear temporarily.

Don't think there is anything else to it.

Ghost Adult Jacob appeared in Lighthouse, well after we were introduced to creepy kid version.

Like, what's the point? :lol