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LTTP: ZombiU
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Sequel?? Thought its abysmal sales weren't enough for even DLC, let alone a sequel. Lets enjoy the game to the fullest
TheRedSnifit
Member
All those games would be mechanically identical to Resident Evil: Tank controls, simple aiming, etc. They'd be unplayable and not very scary, but you yourself said that "themes" and "difficulty" don't matter, just mechanics.
Uh, no. An A rank in RE3 requires you to beat the game in under 2:30, only save twice, and use first-aid sprays sparingly. All that killing Nemesis earns you are bigger and better guns, including an upgrade that gives you infinite ammo (and no, using it does not effect your score). Even so, you can still kill everything in the game (including Nemesis), even without the infinite ammo item.
Oh man, you're going to start providing sources if you're going to talk about things like action percentage. Here: RE2 is 0% planning (because ammo everywhere) and 100% fighting, because evading and timing the shotgun is something. Numbers!
And RE has boss fights, where you have to survive purely on your ability to fight. Action horror!
TheRedSnifit
Member
The first time I saw that hanged nurse I was like "Whaaaaaaat". You could tell they were setting up a sequel, but oh well.
Sleeplessnights
Banned
I stopped at the same spot as OP. I hate the old school saving system on it, I'd rather save whenever.
bodeiseifer
Member
this game is the reason I bought a Wii u and I enjoyed it immensely, really hope a sequel gets released, preferably without the sonar radar mechanic and nerf the push back move, those both destroy the tension and makes it too easy.
abstract alien
Member
Should have had an easy mode where you can save anywhere and your survivor doesn't change or downgrade if you die. I wouldn't play that shit, but it might make more people happy.
Eh, I like the radar honestly. Since it only detected movement, you never new if something was actually a zombie or not. Really gave it a great feeling. How would you nerf the push back though? What changes would you make?
Eh, I like the radar honestly. Since it only detected movement, you never new if something was actually a zombie or not. Really gave it a great feeling. How would you nerf the push back though? What changes would you make?
bodeiseifer
Member
I'd like it if they had survival elements in tidied too like food sleep etc.
Sanctuary
Member
Completely agree. I absolutely loved the game, but the cricket bat just took what could have been an 8.5 - 9.0 game for me an dropped it to a 7.0. The bat was just that bad, and you relied on it so much. It's also a shame that there won't be a sequel, but the game had so much good going for it.
bodeiseifer
Member
they could play that element up more, it became obvious to me after awhile if the blips were rats or zombies, they could make it so it had a longer cooldown period for a start, though I may be confusing it with dead islands kick move, I think the guns should be very rare, this is the UK after all, guns are nowhere, and having so many guns meant you could feel quite comfortable taking on loads of zombies.
Yeah the game was good and worth a single play through but I have no desire to go through it again with that melee combat. Made it feel like a chore at times unfortunately.
bodeiseifer
Member
did you not make it to the palace and find the crossbow?
once you have that it becomes your primary weapon as the arrows can be reused, aiming for zombies heads using the gamepad felt awesome too.
abstract alien
Member
When you guys say the bat/combat was bad, are you saying that you just didn't like it(it's very "commitment" driven) or that the combat was broken?
I would classify it as being incredibly repetitive and mindless. The single animation response for the zombies really hurt the appeal as well. I wouldn't call it broken, but it needed some serious refinement or variety.
ArkkAngel007
Member
I think they'll revisit it, but not solely on the Wii U. Hopefully more than a year of development time on the game itself is done, since that's about what they did after moving over the assets from the original alien title they were working on.
bodeiseifer
Member
it was repetitive but I thought it was refined, it functioned exactly as intended, though once you got the crossbow, no need to use the bat all the time.
I would consider it refined if at the very least the adjustment of blows would change the outcome but it's literally just a waiting game.
Also want to make it clear that I enjoyed the game, just not the melee combat.
Neff
Member
It certainly doesn't ruin the game, and it was definitely fun at times, but for me it's really one of only a couple of problems the game has, which is frustrating, because there's so much potential already in place.
But like I keep saying, still a great game and a Wii U must have.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
You didn't read any of the previous posts, did you? Check the earlier pages.
Deinitely not broken, but it lacks variety, for sure.
In the heat of a horde attack, the melee combat shows itself as something very interesting and tense. But when dealing with one zombie at the time it does get stale.
And its also kinda ramdom. Some zombies go down with one or two hits. Others take five or six + finishing blow. You have no way to know which ia which...
...expecpt for the armored zombie, which needs 3 blows for the helmet knockoff, +10 blows to finish it.
The workaround for me, to make it more interesting and fun, its also a nice way to improve weapon level up: you bash the zombie a few times with the bat, then finish him with a shot
freezamite
Banned
Yes, and ZombiU forces the player to have some degree of combat ability and also encourages it to plan it's actions according to the available inventory. So what?
I was referring to the "circus" part of the game. A pure combat-focused situation impossible to find in a pure Survival Horror.
No, it isn't.Soyongdori said:
Its not a matter of degree, it's a matter of gameplay mechanichs. In Condemned it all was about how well you fought. You had multiple hand to hand options and you could beat everyone without worrying about how many ammo you had left, or how many free spaces there were on your inventory, or any of that.Soyongdori said:
In ZombiU things work different. There are situations where it's impossible to win if you haven't been careful about your inventory during all the game.
Condemned is a pure shooter/brawler, it's scarce ammo maybe forces you to use the pipe, the axe or other hand to hand weapons in some situations, but you will never find yourself in a dead end because you've done bad managing your inventory. It's 100% focused in combat, so it's not a survival horror by any means.
ZombiU places some importance to combat, more than a conventional Survival Horror would, and that's why I say it's not a pure Survival Horror, but it's not a shooter/brawler like Condemned by any means either.
My logic was in fact your logic, categorizing games not by their gameplay but by their theme.Soyongdori said:
And now that you mention Amnesia, I'm pretty sure that you consider it a Survival Horror only because it's scary, don't you?
It wouldn't be better, but you would have had a better time with it.Neff said:
Your ignorance makes you to think that design choices are flaws. I also can criticize Mario games because they don't have any weapons, and say that they should learn a lot of Battlefield. What would that say about me? That I didn't know what I was playing exactly.Neff said:
The same goes for the people asking ZombiU to have a varied arsenal of hand to hand weapons.
And there was variety in ZombiU. But the variety came from the multiple situations you had to deal with your limited range of actions, and not with the multiple options of hand to hand combat you had to resolve a certain situation.Neff said:
You were expecting a shooter/brawler like Condemned, and so you want the combat to be like it is in Condemned. This game was from a different genre, although it has similar atmosphere.
To me ZombiU was my GOTY 2012 and I beat it multiple times, while I've played Condemned only until the 4th stage in the 5 years I've had this game (I still have it and I don't discard that in the future I'll beat it at least to the end) because the game doesn't attract me that much.
You're the opposite case.
I enjoy games where planning is above how well the action is performed, and this is why adventures, rpg and sh are my favourite genres, and why I don't like shooters very much.
This is not being patronising, and that's not what I'm trying to do. It's just that you were playing ZombiU with certain expectations, and that those expectations weren't what the game was trying to meet.
Yes, and part of the mechanics are inventory management as well. Would that supposed GeoW have that? Even if it was so big that you wouldn't have to manage nearly anything?TheRedSnifit said:
It would be a really bad survival horror, but a survival horror after all.
It's been a long time since I played RE3 and I thought that Killing Nemessis was also counting for the rank. Still a survival horror, though, because as I said, difficulty doesn't imply genre change.TheRedSnifit said:
1. Planning also involves knowing how many spaces are left in your limited inventory and how to manage them.TheRedSnifit said:
2. RE2 in hard wasn't a CoD either, nor even ZombiU. The ammo was placed in certain spots all calculated by the developers (it doesn't matter if that seemed much to you, a puzzle of 4 pieces is still a puzzle even if easier than a puzzle of 1000 pieces, while in ZombiU apart from the fixed ammunitions, you can find other's people Zombies that gives you plenty of EXTRA ammo).
And that's why they aren't pure adventure games. That 20% of action, remember? It's not that the boss fights of RE are solved based on your ability, it's more about knowing and planning what to do. Important difference.TheRedSnifit said:
Notor!ousG
Member
I agree.
I think that most negative reviews and opinions comes from the fact that those people are expecting a fast-paced action game.
This is a true survival horror game... I wish they'd make more games like this.
MarkMclovin
Member
Great game and easily up there with one of the best in 2012. However I picked up the fuel can bug about 12 hours in and I'm not going to play it again.
plagiarize
Banned
Not that I really give a shit what you call Zombi U, but plenty of Survival Horror games have bits where you are trapped and have to kill the enemies before the area unlocks. I don't think a single example of this changes anything... unless, you know, you're defining Survival Horror as *never* having a bit where you have to kill all the enemies to progress.
I presume you're giving boss encounters a free pass, for some generic reason.
I agree, plus: that was pure survival considering how you had to properly manage the weapons spread over the level in order to survive.
Projectjustice
Banned
My friend just recently got a Wii U and she is loving it. She mentioned she loves the Walking Dead show and anything Zombie based. Im going pick up a new copy of this game for her as a surprise.
I heard on Miiverse that Zombi U sold 550,000 copies. Can anyone confirm this? I cant believe it sold that many copies and Ubisoft still didnt turn it a profit. Its not like the game had some AAA budget to begin with.
I heard on Miiverse that Zombi U sold 550,000 copies. Can anyone confirm this? I cant believe it sold that many copies and Ubisoft still didnt turn it a profit. Its not like the game had some AAA budget to begin with.
Notor!ousG
Member
I don't agree.
A game that challenges you die as little as possible, suddenly turns into a combast specific area where luck is also an important factor.
I was furious the first time I died there (I was on my 3rd survivor or something)
Don't know...there was a change in the pace, but there are also other horde situations during the game (a couple).
Plus, they gave you the right weapons to fight back, but you had to explore the area running away from the zombies in order to discover them.
I died too there, once. But wans't mad at the game.
Somebody said here that the fact that the games started as Kilker Freaks, then it was ditched, then pcked up again and redone as zombies made costs skyrocket
I dont know if this is true, but the final game does seem kinda cheap (even if its a great game). Reused assets all around, low on cutscenes (which is great for me) no online multiplayer.
freezamite
Banned
True, but you have to be prepared for those parts, as they are part of the puzzle. You know you will have to fight the boss there, so you have to reserve enough resources to fight him properly.
The thing revolves completely around "planning", and as I said, the "you can't kill everyone" was just an example of a hard survival horror to empathize that.
In he circus part, it didn't matter at all how well you planned the moment, it was pure combat with limited resources.
That was nearly pure combat. Yes, you had to know to a certain degree what to do with what you had, but combat skills >>> planning in that situation.Aostia said:
There's a difference though. While all the horde situations were possible to anticipate if you knew beforehand (reserving ammo for those parts), the circus part is combat focused no matter what you do. Even if you beat all the game through there without wasting a single shot, once you reach there, you're at the same position as someone who has played with a much less conservative approach.Aostia said:
It wasn't part of the "puzzle".
Well they had to redo nearly all the assets, that ain't cheap either....
GOTY 2012 by quite some margin, I would have loved more melee wpns but not your average melee wpns only stuffs you find lying around like taking a suitcase or a chair to fight but that wouldn't work in 1rst person I guess.
top 3 WiiU game so far.
I don't care where it's released I'll get the sequel if they ever do one.
Oh and the circus part was BS to high heaven!
I wanted the St Paul's cathedral!
Neff
Member
Don't go around telling people what they think, are, or want. You're doing it a lot, and it's disgusting. I haven't even played Condemned. I don't play FPS games much at all in fact.
I didn't judge ZombiU against other FPS games. I didn't judge ZombiU against other horror games. I judged it as a game in its own right, and my feeling is that doing the same task in the same way without variation several hundred times is a negative toward the game, not a plus, regardless of setting.
Genre, or in this case fabrication of supposed genre, never negates the need for consistent player engagement and learning that videogames thrive on. ZombiU mostly succeeds in this area, but the scales are still tipped toward repetition, which is a fair, common, and obvious complaint.
Come up with a better argument than 'you just don't get it', or stop being a jerk.
TheRedSnifit
Member
"Inventory management" is a design choice, not a mechanic. The mechanic involved in management is limited inventory space, which GoW and pretty much every console shooter ever has.
So again, the only thing seperating Gears from Resident Evil is the camera and controls?
Okay, 2% planning. And you could finish RE2 with literally hundreds of rounds of ammo left; there's almost as much magnum ammo as there are total enemies. The fact that there's a random element in ZombiU doesn't change the fact that ammo is more restricted than in pretty much every RE game.
Yes, they are. The combat is shallow, but that doesn't change the fact that the boss fights are based around them. After all, there's usually no "flight" option and ammo and powerful weapons tend to be found suspiciously close to the boss rooms. And if you know that you don't have enough ammo for an upcoming boss fight (because you shot at walls, I guess), there's always that infinite knife!
EDIT: What I'm trying to get at is that the design determines the genre, not the mechanics. Many first-person shooters and third-person shooters are mechanically identical, yet they're considered separate genres. ZombiU and Amnesia are, for the most part, mechanically identical to Call of Duty or Condemned, and REmake and Resident 5 are mechanically identical (aside from the camera). Does that mean that CoD and Amnesia are in the same genre, or REmake and RE5?
Sanctuary
Member
I found the crossbow yes, but even with that you still relied far too much on the bat. The arrows were not 100% retrievable, so I always had to save some.
On a side note, I actually beat the game without dying on the second day of release (and actually ended up with the second highest score, below some guy that had like triple my score from just farming respawning zombies...), then did it again on Survival mode to get my name on the list the day after. In hindsight, I should have just played Survival on the second day anyway, but I was using it as a sort of test run. Kind of wished it had a speedrun + score ranking too.
freezamite
Banned
You're asking for a "varied combat system" that trounces the whole concept of the game. It's pretty obvious that you weren't expecting a survival horror (even first person), a game that NEEDS this to be what it is.
And I'm telling you that this is the only way to do a first person survival horror, that this is not a flaw even when you may not like it. This was not a flaw by any means.
Player engagment can come from lot's of things, not only combat variety. In this game the combat it's not the purpose but the means.
Do you also want Mario to shoot weapons? It may be pretty boring to just jump all the time, there has to be more variety with weapons, vehicles, and also more violence... because if not, the game is bad designed. Isn't that how it works?
The camera and the controls? Making the aim mathematically accurate instead of giving the player the hability to aim is enough to make it another genre. Of course it would.TheRedSnifit said:
Is mario a different genre of Gears of War? It even has a much similar type of camera than RE!!! O_O
Again, a puzzle of 4 pieces is still a puzle, even if it is easier than a 1000 pieces puzzle.TheRedSnifit said:
That being said, the hand to hand combat is much stronger in ZombiU, you can kill any zombi with the stick, good look on killing even one zombie with the knife on RE.
In RE 2 the guns are also mathematically implemented. You hit or miss based on percentages, so they're the SAME as the stick on ZombiU.
ZombiU had to place that much importance on the hand to hand weapon because it was the ONLY gameplay mechanic that was exact, and the only thing that makes it a survival horror.
Your problem is considering the pistol in a RE the same as the pistol in ZombiU, and the knife in RE the same as the stick in ZombiU.
Now the question is... are you sure that you've ever played a RE and you're not speaking about what you read on faqs or something? Because if you think that aiming in RE is the same than doing it in ZombiU then....
Again, EASY doesn't mean it is something that it isn't. They give you the ammunition close to the boss instead of giving it to you far from it, that makes it easier to reach the boss with those weapons, but it's not like the circus part or the random zombies full of ammo that have a finality, test the player ability to fight. That's not the purpose on a RE, it's in a higher degree on ZombiU, and it's in a much higher degree in a Shooter.TheRedSnifit said:
kunonabi
Member
this mathematical aiming requirement is nonsense. D2, siren, fatal frame and the new alone in the dark, which is easily one of the most classically designed survival horror games in years despite its issues, all featured manual aim to various degrees. even excluding that re and sh feature far more forced combat encounters and advanced combat techniques and strategies than zombi u has by a long shot. survival horror games are allowed to place emphasis on different things without being thrown into a bunch of random sub genres.
i wouldn't go accusing others of not playing these games considering how ignorant you have proven to be of most of them including RE.
i wouldn't go accusing others of not playing these games considering how ignorant you have proven to be of most of them including RE.
superpickleman
Member
Today I lost my best survivor. 5+ hours of hardship taken away by an exploding zombie that crept up on me while grabbing some loot. It scared me and my first instinct is was to smack it with the bat... I realized what I had done just as I released the trigger. Felt bad guys, real bad.
I fucking love this game.
I fucking love this game.
BizzyBum
Member
Just beat it and got the best ending.
Obvious Ubisoft ran out of time with this. The ending was pretty terrible. The copy pasta of transition areas also sucked but a small gripe since they were small areas.
It's still a good game every Wii U owner should pick up. It really blows we won't see a more refined sequel.
Obvious Ubisoft ran out of time with this. The ending was pretty terrible. The copy pasta of transition areas also sucked but a small gripe since they were small areas.
It's still a good game every Wii U owner should pick up. It really blows we won't see a more refined sequel.
abstract alien
Member
Managed to run the hard mode? Props to you.
BizzyBum
Member
You mean Survivor Mode? Nah, just Normal. Are there any differences or a better ending with that mode or is it simply you die and game over? If there's nothing extra I don't really have the urge to replay it again.
abstract alien
Member
I thought you could only get the true ending from beating Survivor. I have yet to do it though, so I can't confirm personally. I was fairly certain I saw it somewhere, though it could have just been rubbish news.
Edit: Did a quick search. Doesn't seem to be any difference, according to gamefaqs.
Ending is the same with Normal or Survivor. You will get the difference when
Edit: Storywise, ending is meh. Gameplay wise, it is ok. But doing it on Survivor is a different story.
you forgot the USB drive containing the info for the Panacea. It will just not show the girl grabbing your hand.
Edit: Storywise, ending is meh. Gameplay wise, it is ok. But doing it on Survivor is a different story.