bishopcruz
Member
So very much this. The difference between the two is astounding.
I don't even... Harmony had its issues, but Legend was crap.
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Lunar & Grandia may be coming to Steam
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So very much this. The difference between the two is astounding.
I don't even... Harmony had its issues, but Legend was crap.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
This is one of the differences that someone once told me.
You know how in Grandia's battles, the characters run around on a field, and the camera follows them around and zooms in and out, and the characters can move up and down depending on terrain? That's because the characters were running around on polygon-based terrain.
In the Playstation port, characters were running around on a 256x256 bitmap picture of polygons that had previously been rendered in realtime by the Saturn.
So the Saturn version can look better when ported to modern technology, but a muddy zoomed-in 256x256 bitmap is always going to be a muddy zoomed-in 256x256 bitmap.
It's sort of like how the PS2 version of Resident Evil 4 has instances where it's running recorded video of the GameCube original doing things in realtime. It's a trick to make the game work on a system it wasn't designed for. Later ports were cleanly based on the GameCube original, they weren't ports of the already-compromised PlayStation port.
You learn something new each day.
Hope they port the Saturn version!
texhnolyze
Banned
Yeah, I've never played (nor seen) the saturn version.
That's amazing.
That's amazing.
This is one of the differences that someone once told me.
You know how in Grandia's battles, the characters run around on a field, and the camera follows them around and zooms in and out, and the characters can move up and down depending on terrain? That's because the characters were running around on polygon-based terrain.
In the Playstation port, characters were running around on a 256x256 bitmap picture of polygons that had previously been rendered in realtime by the Saturn.
So the Saturn version can look better when ported to modern technology, but a muddy zoomed-in 256x256 bitmap is always going to be a muddy zoomed-in 256x256 bitmap.
It's sort of like how the PS2 version of Resident Evil 4 has instances where it's running recorded video of the GameCube original doing things in realtime. It's a trick to make the game work on a system it wasn't designed for. Later ports were cleanly based on the GameCube original, they weren't ports of the already-compromised PlayStation port.
Thats an odd change considering the PS1 was the polygon machine back in the day.
Lumpy Onion
Member
Was playing a bit of Grandia last night and said to myself, "goddamn these battle backgrounds look repulsive!", and now I finally know why. I had no idea they just used flat images instead of polygonal ones. It actually really turns me off of the game because I have to see it so often. Even when the PS1 version first came out they stood out as being not quite right.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Sounds a lot like the issues with FFX's English dub.
Grandia was originally a Saturn-exclusive; that's why. The tricks they used to make it look as good as it does on the Saturn must not have translated to the PS1.
My dream for Grandia would be that they take the Saturn version w/the PS1 translation, give it the usual PC bells & whistles, add some harder difficulty options, and add/localize the expansion pack-esque bonus disk that we never got. I know that's asking for a lot, but I can dream, can't I?
ShadowgeistX
Member
So I take it that this means I shouldn't get the PS1 classic version of Grandia then? Looking forward to what Gungho will be putting out.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Even with the PS1->Saturn downgrade, the PS1 version is still a great game and unlike the Saturn version, it's in English. If they release Grandia on Steam, it'll probably be the best version available, but on the plus side, the PSN version of Grandia can be played portably on the Vita.
Keep in mind that the bonus dungeons were added in the PS1 version as well.
Dragon King Slice!
They should touch up the Grandia translation a bit, but I don't think re-translation would be necessary. Just change the mysteriously age restricted "cafes" back to sake bars or whatever they were originally.
What about the big barrels of coffee?
I have one in my basement.
BassForever
Member
Would like to see both versions of Lunar SS and EB on steam so people can try both.
Guys I imagine the input of what version you want has little meaning now that they've been working on it. But people did mention in the original survey thread that they wanted Saturn Grandia, so let's hope they listened!
Lunar was a lot more divided, though. Wonder what they'll do with the series.
I believe I posted this before, but the devs of Grandia II Anniversary have one unanounced steam game:
http://skyboxlabs.com/games/
Lunar was a lot more divided, though. Wonder what they'll do with the series.
I believe I posted this before, but the devs of Grandia II Anniversary have one unanounced steam game:
http://skyboxlabs.com/games/
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I already own them on Vita/PSN but I'll rebuy what I want to rebuy and would definitely dabble in on an OG PS1 Lunar.
It's been the year of dreams so far.
I need a better descriptor than "Junior Member." I wonder if "GungTroll" is available...
That's what I get for being a lil' lurker dood.
Also, didn't realize "Cool story bro" could be seen as sarcastic ;-3
Caspel sits in front of me. He is literally my GungBro and I think he tells cool stories.
That said, I should stop foruming and get back to work...
That's what I get for being a lil' lurker dood.
Also, didn't realize "Cool story bro" could be seen as sarcastic ;-3
Caspel sits in front of me. He is literally my GungBro and I think he tells cool stories.
That said, I should stop foruming and get back to work...
LeonDekoda
Neo Member
Maybe he meant the extras from Digital Museum.
Nose Master
Member
Can Dragon Force be next? :V
I believe they got the rights for Game Arts catalogue, not every game Working Designs lcoalized. You must bother Sega about it (good luck!).
PHOENIXZERO
Member
This I could be interested in. I only ever played the PSP version of the first game.
Do the Sega CD version, show everyone the joy of a real world map. Lunar has to be the only classic RPG where people fondly remember the (inferior) remake.
Naw, I'm good with the psx version. I've played both but the psx version offers more.
!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3
outunderthestars
Banned
Lunar SSS Complete is mine. Really happy that it is finally going to see a PC release.
I'm still waiting for this.
It's not going to happen, I know
Woah, brings back memories. My dad actually did the voice of Zagat, which is how I got introduced to Lunar (he brought home a free copy).
Lunar is by far my favorite JRPG. I hope SSSC and Eternal Blue both get on PC! I'd definitely talk others into picking them up.
WD's VA for that time was more than fine, it's SCEA and Grandia that were lame.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Will throw big piles of cash at a perfect Grandia port - Eng/Jpn VA choice, localisation looked at to be more faithful, etc.
What I am expecting is the PS1 version, maybe with a VA choice. Which is also totally fine.
What I am expecting is the PS1 version, maybe with a VA choice. Which is also totally fine.
If they still have the Playstation source code, most probably they still have the Saturn source code as well.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Yes, but that doesn't mean the Saturn code is usable - it is a harder console to emulate than the PS1, so I'd assume the code would be harder to port.
For all we know this will be an emulation jobbie with no access to the original code.
I hope that didn't have to do with my saying my father was a VA for them! Here's the only sample I can find on Youtube - Magic Knight Rayearth outtakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM_-DjMv-bs
IrishNinja
Member
god, i really need to finish Grandia....this is awesome news, though! biggest whole in steam's catalog, and 2 classic (especially Lunar!) jrpg's plugging it up, fantastic
cj_iwakura
Member
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Would it be possible for this to come too?
cj_iwakura
Member
Would it be possible for this to come too?
What is it?
looks like grandia to me god are you blind
It's a photograph. It captures visual information that is analogous to what you would perceive with your eyes, if you were physically there.