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[Ezalc]

Ezalc's right that the real fucked up people here are Manfroy and Loputousu.[/spoiler]

Sadly nobody will ever know of Nintendo's most evil villain, unless IS decides to remake FE4 and 5. Which I hope they do but not in the same way as their other DS remakes.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

For a Nintendo villain, I like this guy.

Most vicious a motherfucker nintendo villian ever.
Samus will never destroy him fully, Ridley will be here permanent nightmare.

But... but... Other M...

Spoiler

Other M is awesome and so is Ridley in it!

 

[Diffense]

MM had great dungeons except perhaps for Woodfall.
It had the best Water temple of any 3D Zelda.
The way it used 'current' was great and I loved playing as the Zora.
Then the Stone temple had great design and atmosphere/music.

Majora's mask was incredibly 'dense' and there was 'stuff' to do everywhere.
If they can capture half of that in Skyward Swords I'll love that game.

 

[Neon_Icarus]

Most vicious a motherfucker nintendo villian ever.
Samus will never destroy him fully, Ridley will be here permanent nightmare.

Is even disturbing in baby-form.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

He horrifically mutated an innocent Pokemon into a monster
He captures and sells living creatures as prizes in a casino
He created his own Pokemon species for the sole purpose of making a profit
He intentions are purely greedy.
He wants to rule the world through fear and raw power
He's slain countless innocent Pokemon at the Pokemon tower just to get an item that will help his plans along
Even after he's gone, his grunts still cling to him and respect him, if not fear him


The fact that he is the final gym leader blew my mind as a kid. Pokemon just doesn't have serious villains like Giovoni after GS. I mean, Team Aqua/Magma were just silly, and DP just copied the story of RS.

Even the anime makes him a cold heartless bastard in the first season.

You can laugh and go "lol pokemon" but the story of Mewtwo is really demented and sad. Mewtwo is even a really disturbing looking Pokemon, even after they redesigned him to not be so freaky looking.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Pokemon just doesn't have serious villains like Giovoni after GS.

Team Rocket was serious?

 

[Red]

MM had great dungeons except perhaps for Woodfall.
It had the best Water temple of any 3D Zelda.
The way it used 'current' was great and I loved playing as the Zora.
Then the Stone temple had great design and atmosphere/music.

Majora's mask was incredibly 'dense' and there was 'stuff' to do everywhere.
If they can capture half of that in Skyward Swords I'll love that game.

The density is what sets it apart from other 3D Zeldas. Twilight Princess may have the most content overall, but Majora's world is so packed with content that it seems the most alive. It's on the opposite end of the spectrum as Wind Waker.

I think Zant was a pretty good villain in TP. They should definitely have expanded on his craziness instead of just doing what they did instead.

I loved Zant all the way until he started acting goofy. His motives just weren't there. The game builds him up to be this incredible force (actually conquering Hyrule?), and then he turns out to be a scared wimp, essentially.

Was also a poor reveal for the actual villain. It's like the game switched tracks suddenly.

 

[Ezalc]

He horrifically mutated an innocent Pokemon into a monster
He captures and sells living creatures as prizes in a casino
He created his own Pokemon species for the sole purpose of making a profit
He intentions are purely greedy.
He wants to rule the world through fear and raw power
He's slain countless innocent Pokemon at the Pokemon tower just to get an item that will help his plans along
Even after he's gone, his grunts still cling to him and respect him, if not fear him


The fact that he is the final gym leader blew my mind as a kid. Pokemon just doesn't have serious villains like Giovoni after GS. I mean, Team Aqua/Magma were just silly, and DP just copied the story of RS.

Even the anime makes him a cold heartless bastard in the first season.

You can laugh and go "lol pokemon" but the story of Mewtwo is really demented and sad. Mewtwo is even a really disturbing looking Pokemon, even after they redesigned him to not be so freaky looking.

Clearly you've never seen the Pokemon manga. The shit that goes on in the mangas are a million times more fucked up.

 

[Jokab]

Gotta give it to you, you make damn good arguments. You have me convinced.

 

[IrishNinja]

By the way, good job, OP. Although I feel Porky from Earthbound takes the cake for me.

agreed. great OP, GAF's love for Majora is....really something. but it's Porky.

 

[RetroMG]

Oh fuck Tom Nook. Now I have to go spend the rest of my night reading the terrible secret of animal crossing.

That was so unbelievably messed up that I may never play Animal Crossing again. Holy crap.

 

[Neiteio]

Yeah the manga isn't canon at all. Not to mention that there's a different backstory in the games, saying that the mask was used for hexing rituals. The dragon thing is kind of random. I like to view Majora's Mask as a relic from the Dark Tribe/Intelopers from the past due to the visual cues the Fused Shadow has of it, and stuff like how Zant fights and acts in the game. There's definitely references at least.

You can take issue with legitimacy of the manga if you wish (I'm not taking a stance one way or another), but the mention in the game of the mask being used in the past for hexing rituals doesn't complicate matters. For example, the beast could've been slain, his shell turned into a mask and then an ancient tribe could've worshipped it as their holy object, using it for hexing rituals. And if Nintendo wanted to tie it all together, the ancient tribe could've been the Interlopers mentioned in Twilight Princess. In other words:

10 millions before MM, Beast Majora is danced to death, his carapace carved into the mask --> Many years pass, the mask passed down through the generations --> In time it becomes a relic of power worshipped by the Interlopers, the same people who wielded the Forged Shadow --> The interlopers use it in their hexing rituals --> Many more years pass --> One way or another the mask ends up in the possession of the Happy Mask Salesman.

It's simple. If Nintendo wants, it all fits together. We just don't know what Nintendo wants; we only know they haven't confirmed the manga. Personally, it's fun imagining.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

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Good lord WW has the best artstyle in pretty much any game ever created.

 

[OMG Aero]

He's competent
His plan is perfect. His imprisonment of the Giants before summoning the moon ensures that no one will have time to stop him. He doesn't hide behind incompetent guards in a castle, waiting for the hero to kill him.

I wouldn't say Majora is competent. The whole point of the game was that he was angry and upset at believing the giants abandoned him. It wasn't some master plan, he was just getting revenge and taking it out on them and the towns people.

Link has to become a God to truly defeat him
Link has dispatched multiple Ganondorfs, at least three Vaati's, Aghanim, General Onox, the Sorceress of Shadows, Zant of the Twili, Twinrova, the Nightmares of the Wind Fish, and his own inner darkness personified.

But to completely defeat Majora, he had to become the Fiece Deity.

Child Link can beat Majora without the Fierce Deity mask. The mask just turns on easy mode.

In my opinion Ganondorf from Wind Waker is a much better villain. Unlike the other games he is in, Ganondorf actually has a good reason for what he is doing. The final sword fight with him atop his tower as the sea rains down around you is also much better than fighting a mask with arms and legs that dances around and does the moonwalk.

 

[Chavelo]

Did the OP just compare Majora to the Batman's Joker?

Motherfucker, the only Zelda game I didn't play now just shot all the way up to 2nd or 3rd spot on my backlog.

Good argument, sir. You win this thread.

 

[Poyunch]

I wouldn't say Majora is competent. The whole point of the game was that he was angry and upset at believing the giants abandoned him. It wasn't some master plan, he was just getting revenge and taking it out on them and the towns people.

Majora and the Skull Kid were two seperate entities. Majora used Skull Kid's body and frustration to its advantage so that it could destroy the world.

 

[Neiteio]

What I loved about Ganondorf in TWW is that he wasn't doing evil for evil's sake, or even power's sake -- he rationalized his actions as legitimately wanting to give his people a better place to live. As he said in the tower, when the wind blew over his desert homeland, it brought scorching death by day, freezing death by night. Hyrule, meanwhile, was perfectly hospitable, the same wind bringing life. It's why this lush green kingdom near the desert became the apple of Ganondorf's eye. The Triforce was merely a way out. He wanted to spare his people a miserable existence among sand and fire.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Clearly you've never seen the Pokemon manga. The shit that goes on in the mangas are a million times more fucked up.

???

 

[ChoklitReign]

ITT people think fanfiction makes characters better.

 

[uncleslappy]

I just finished this game for the first time last year. Absolutely loved it from start to finish. I never really thought of Majora as a "MUST KILL THIS A**HOLE" villain like I did with, say, Sephiroth. I did however feel the weight of his actions while playing through the game.

The hardest thing emotionally about MM is the fact that you cannot save everyone. Specifically I'm thinking of the

Spoiler

dairy farm scene

. You can save them, but if you go back in another cycle, at the end of the 2nd day you find

Spoiler

all the cows dead and the mother and daughter weeping at their loss

. That's heavy stuff for a Nintendo game.

 

[Prime Blue]

He dominates the mind of a lonely, frightened child throughout most of the game.

Yeah, so innocent. Poor guy. Makes me cry.

But to completely defeat Majora, he had to become the Fiece Deity.

That is if you suck at video games.

 

[storafötter]

You can read why here: http://www.mariowiki.com/Fawful

Don't get the love for this guy, in my opinion he is a terrible villain. Feels like a usual "pranky" villain. I agree that Majora is a very nice villain for many reasons. I also liked Wind Wakers Ganondorf as people have already mentioned.

 

[Majukun]

The odd thing about Majora is that you don't even know he's a villain for most of the game. They always treat it as the Skull Kid, even giving you his backstory to make you sympathize with him and understand that he's a messed up kid who was corrupted by forces he couldn't understand.

Then his unconscious body drops and the Mask keeps floating.


There's no elaborate backstory given to WHY Majora's Mask wants to destroy Termina and wreck people's lives. He doesn't have any speeches. The only time the Mask itself talks is when it discards the Skull Kid. There are those odd children inside the Moon who wear masks and look like child versions of the Happy Mask Salesman, and the one wearing Majora's Mask gives you the Fierce Deity Mask and says that in the game you're going to be "the bad guy."

It's all very strange.

in the original,link was not the "bad guy",but "the oni" .Japanese kids playing hide 'n' seek call the one who search for everyone "oni" ,the ogre,translates in majora's mask as "the bad guy"

 

[McNum]

I'm kind of torn on Majora as a good villain, really. There's no denying that what it did to Termina was Grade A villain stuff. And that's before considering the moon, and yet it's all so random. I mean, throwing the moon at a town is evil. Trying to break up a pair of lovers by turning one into a child? Uh, why? And it's like that throughout the game. You find that Majora has done terribly evil things. Murder, environmental destruction and things of that caliber, but also very petty things like harassing farmers and making a nuisance of itself.

It reminds me of a Bioware protagonist choosing all the evil options, really. A spiteful, petty jerk. This one just has enough power to call down the moon. Another comparison would be The Joker, except with superpowers. I mean, it's not hard at all to boil Majrora's motivations down to "for the lulz". Almost as if it doesn't know or care that anyone gets hurt by it, but dropping a moon on a town sounds like fun! Big boom! Even the lead-in to the fight against Majora has it still thinking it's just a game and it finally has a "bad guy" that's strong enough to be fun to play with.

Majora is a good antagonist, but I'm not really sold on "villain" for it. It's a cosmic horror that's decided that it wants to play with Termina, and so it does. You know, maybe that's what Majora is: A cosmic horror child. It locked away the giants because they didn't want to play anymore. Not for some grand scheme of destruction.

 

[pulga]

Between this thread and the unintentionally creepy games thread, I'm dying for a MM 3DS remake.

 

[Jenga]

It locked away the giants because they didn't want to play anymore. Not for some grand scheme of destruction.

No, that's what the Skull-kid wanted.

in my mind the real majora shows itself like when you see skull kid twitching at you , tightening its grip on the kid near the end making him become less trickster and more psychotic


as for bioware style "spiteful dick", imo that's just Skull-kid acting under the influence of Majora

 

[John]

Saw this on another forum, but you know how you can use the observatory to look up at the moon? On the 1st and 2nd days it shows Skull Kid/Majora dicking around on the clock tower. He notices you, then mocks you by slapping his ass like a monkey before jumping away

On the 3rd day, he changes. The moment you look into the telescope he's staring at you, head cocked at an unnatural angle, twitching slightly. He doesn't even mock you, nor does he jump away. Just continues to stare and twitch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tsu5kbcn7k

It's incredibly unsettling.

Majora's Mask is full of stuff like that. There's a ton of scenes I missed simply because I didn't even think to look for them. For instance, there's a scene that occurs if you rescued 1-3 of the giants, but not all of them. The giants you've freed still come and try to stop the moon...but they fail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGzgBqi5qiU#t=1m55s



MM was an absolute gem of a game

the telescope sequence always bothered me. how was the telescope supposed to look at the ground below it? link would've had to crash through the roof!

also i hope majora never gets used again. right now it's a perfectly cohesive story that creeps people out. nothing more needs to be said, and really, explanations can only serve to make majora less interesting. ie condemned-condemned 2.

 

[Jenga]

In my opinion Ganondorf from Wind Waker is a much better villain. Unlike the other games he is in, Ganondorf actually has a good reason for what he is doing. The final sword fight with him atop his tower as the sea rains down around you is also much better than fighting a mask with arms and legs that dances around and does the moonwalk.

an ancient lovecraftian-esque evil in a kid's game that uses a child to slowly twist and prod the world he's going to utterly destroy in about 3 days is pretty up there imo

 

[wwm0nkey]

the telescope sequence always bothered me. how was the telescope supposed to look at the ground below it? link would've had to crash through the roof!

also i hope majora never gets used again. right now it's a perfectly cohesive story that creeps people out. nothing more needs to be said, and really, explanations can only serve to make majora less interesting. ie condemned-condemned 2.

I think he would be a kick ass villain in SSB games.

 

[tiff]

Sadly nobody will ever know of Nintendo's most evil villain, unless IS decides to remake FE4 and 5. Which I hope they do but not in the same way as their other DS remakes.

I think they will. Remaking a game is probably easier than building one from scratch.

I hope they're on consoles, though. FE4 is way too epic for a tiny little handheld.

 

[beelzebozo]

ridley will always be my favorite.

 

[Cow Mengde]

1st Party. Intelligent Systems is an internal team.

And

Spoiler

Yurius and Alvis were a lot like Skull Kid in that they weren't really bad people themselves, they were just being controlled by the game's main antagonists. Alvis's ultimate goal was to bring peace to the continent, not chaos, and Yurius was being completely controlled by Loputousu. IIRC Yuria says he was a pretty nice guy before Manfroy gave him the tome.

Ezalc's right that the real fucked up people here are Manfroy and Loputousu.

Manfloy isn't even that evil. His people were driven to hell became their ancestors once worshiped Loptous. The Yield desert was their hiding place. People there suffered, child died of starvation, all because of the sins of their ancestors many years ago. People from the Loptous cult were burned alive if they were found. Manfloy wasn't evil for the sake of evil.

You guys are also forgetting great villains like Trabant from Fire Emblem.

Lederick was also cool in that he was every bit the scheming coward you love to hate.

Hell, I find Ashnard refreshing because he doesn't deal with tragic pasts and stuff. Ashnard was just badass through and through. Put a curse on him, he kills you instead. The man is just nuts.

 

[Ducarmel]

Good write up OP, never really put any deep thoughts into the game. When I played the game I just played it, with an innocent child like attitude just like Majora.

 

[tiff]

Manfloy isn't even that evil. His people were driven to hell became their ancestors once worshiped Loptous. The Yield desert was their hiding place. People there suffered, child died of starvation, all because of the sins of their ancestors many years ago. People from the Loptous cult were burned alive if they were found. Manfloy wasn't evil for the sake of evil.

He definitely had a reason for being the way he was, but even then, his actions were pretty horrible, even if they were necessary to carry out his plan. You know what I'm talking about, I'm sure.

Lederick was also cool in that he was every bit the scheming coward you love to hate.

Oh yeah, loved Leidrick.

Spoiler

Eyvel:
"...What have you done to her?"

Reidric:
"Nothing. In fact, she was trying to escape, so I lent her a hand by giving her that sword. ...The Blade of Darkness, was it?"

Eyvel:
"The Blade of Darkness...an evil sword... Are you trying to turn her into a crazed killer!?"

Reidric:
"There was a curse on that sword? Well...I never knew that."

 

[boiled goose]

I just finished this game for the first time last year. Absolutely loved it from start to finish. I never really thought of Majora as a "MUST KILL THIS A**HOLE" villain like I did with, say, Sephiroth. I did however feel the weight of his actions while playing through the game.

The hardest thing emotionally about MM is the fact that you cannot save everyone. Specifically I'm thinking of the

Spoiler

dairy farm scene

. You can save them, but if you go back in another cycle, at the end of the 2nd day you find

Spoiler

all the cows dead and the mother and daughter weeping at their loss

. That's heavy stuff for a Nintendo game.

this is important and one of the reasons why the game is so grim.

you cant save everyone.
even if you tried to do a perfect run before facing majora, it is impossible.

 

[Mr. B Natural]

Thread reminds me of one major reason Zelda since OOT has been so bad -

The god awful disjointed, unfocused, game-draggingly crappy lore.

 

[-PXG-]

Can't believe the OP praised the villain of my all-time favorite game but forgot to post what he looked like before he was reduced to a mere mask:

Majora's beast form, from the manga. As the legend goes, he ate every warrior who ventured into his realm to challenge him, until one warrior brought a pair of bongos (if I recall correctly) and played a beat that caused Majora to dance... and dance... and dance, until after 72 hours he collapsed of weariness and the warrior (the Fierce Deity) carved up Majora's carapace and made the mask, in which Majora's essence survived.

Meanwhile, the dance-to-death explains why Majora's Incarnation (the second form) dances all over the place, from the moonwalk to the can-can. It's a very cool origin story and one I wish they explored in the game proper. It would be cool to see Majora restored to his beast form in a future Zelda someday... Call him Majora's Hunger, since eating warriors is what he did.

Holy shit. I never knew any of that.

I already love MM, but my love for it has been multiplied 10 fold.

 

[McLovin]

I never beat Majora's mask... I'm kind of tempted to plug up my n64 and beat it.

 

[Jeeves]

I would definitely call Majora and Porky my favorite villains.

However, I'd call Giygas the most powerful villain in any video game, because

Spoiler

it took forces outside of the game to beat him. It took you, the player, wishing for his demise to finish him off. You've got to figure: in a video game, the player could be considered to be beyond god. Nothing that existed in that game's universe was going to bring down Giygas.

Anyway, I would love to gush about Majora, but my thoughts have already been articulated so well in this thread. I always greatly enjoy reading the Majora's Mask threads we get around here every so often; can never get enough of it.

 

[Cow Mengde]

He definitely had a reason for being the way he was, but even then, his actions were pretty horrible, even if they were necessary to carry out his plan. You know what I'm talking about, I'm sure.

Yeah, the things he does is horrible, I'm just saying he has more depth than people give him credit for. He's not evil just because his mind is twisted.

Beldo was lame. He was just sorta there.

 

[Like the hat?]

sorry to hijack this thread a bit, but something about mm has been bothering me. In south clock town, there is a white block on the map, like where a door would be. Is there some way to actually get to this door or is it just a map glitch?

horrible image, but here it is circled.

 

[John]

sorry to hijack this thread a bit, but something about mm has been bothering me. In south clock town, there is a white block on the map, like where a door would be. Is there some way to actually get to this door or is it just a map glitch?

horrible image, but here it is circled.

http://i.imgur.com/hgHRX.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
wouldn't that just be that shop that's in the southern corner of east clock town? i think it's an archery range.

 

[Like the hat?]

wouldn't that just be that shop that's in the southern corner of east clock town? i think it's an archery range.

that's what I thought, but when you enter east clock town, the map marker disappears.

It's been driving me nuts!

 

[[Nintex]]

that's what I thought, but when you enter east clock town, the map marker disappears.

It's been driving me nuts!

The Triforce is there

 

[Ezalc]

I think they will. Remaking a game is probably easier than building one from scratch.

I hope they're on consoles, though. FE4 is way too epic for a tiny little handheld.

Yeah I know but I'm worried usually the new FE games haven't looked all that great and that goes for the GCN ones. The artstyle doesn't seem to transition well into 3D. I would absolutely love a FE4 remake on the console as look as it looks damn good and the make Sigurd into the motherfucking badass he is.

Also to the other poster, considering all the shit Manfloy does to Sigurd let alone all the others he fucks with then yes I believe he's easily the most evil Nintendo villain ever. I also never said he was evil for the sake of evil.

???

In the Pokemon manga the entire Elite 4 is evil and is part of team rocket. Some of the gym leaders are part of team rocket or were, and they do horrible shit. The ice gym leader from Gold/Silver whose name I forget, he kidnaps 4 young children (one of which is silver if I remember correctly) and brainwashes them into becoming his minions and shit so he can fuck up the world because of some dumbass reason. Also he almost succeeds in killing Gold. And that's just the tip of it. Sometimes I wish the games had the manga's darker plot, it would make it much more interesting than the boring ass "plots" the games have.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Giygas has no morality. His mind has warped beyond such things.

He doesn't try to spread evil, it's just his pain manifesting itself on its own.

He's a being that transcends time and space, if he really wanted to spread something the universe would be absolutely saturated in it.

Also you beat him by making him feel better about himself.

Even during the fight with Giygas, we see Porky acting more evil than Giygas. He even demonstrates that Giygas holds no influence over him at this point. In fact, it's almost as if Porky controls him. To me, Porky is the true villain of EarthBound.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

playing through it now. Water temple was pretty bleh. Actually all of the dungeons kind of suck IMO.

WTF

With the exception of maybe the Spirit temple, the last 3 MM temples shit over OoT's. I can see the argument that there's not enough dungeons but to say the dungeons suck is some weird taste. TP's dungeons have a case of being better but MM has the second best dungeons in the 3D Zeldas, at worst.

 

[Starwolf_UK]

this is important and one of the reasons why the game is so grim.

you cant save everyone.
even if you tried to do a perfect run before facing majora, it is impossible.

Damn, I never thought of it like that.

Spoiler

But doesn't parts of the ending overule this. I seem to remember it being fiarly blank if you didn't get certain masks.

It makes me wonder if the song of time allows you to travel back in time power was also a sadistic part by Majora just so Link has to suffer groundhog day style.

 

[demolitio]

Can anyone tell me where this save is in relation to the Great Bay Temple? Is it before or after and is it close to it?

Save1- Name: "Link",Before Stone Tower Temple,22 masks (still need giant's / Fierce Deity), Gilded Sword, Mirror Shield, Quiver(50), Bomb Bag(40),6 bottles, 17 hearts, 1st 3 great fairy items

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Can anyone tell me where this save is in relation to the Great Bay Temple? Is it before or after and is it close to it?

Save1- Name: "Link",Before Stone Tower Temple,22 masks (still need giant's / Fierce Deity), Gilded Sword, Mirror Shield, Quiver(50), Bomb Bag(40),6 bottles, 17 hearts, 1st 3 great fairy items

It's after the Great Bay Temple.