Kinky John
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Yeah but we're the good guys! So, it different....or something.
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Man dead after 'knife attack' in Woolwich
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Yeah but we're the good guys! So, it different....or something.
Well you're the one turning it into an immigration/anti-Islam thread. So do likewise.
Sort of along the lines of what Zomg said, but the British government has got its whole approach to integrating communities, particularly Muslim communities that contain undercurrents of hatred, wrong, imo, and it's all Labour's doing. It has just sort of been left to fester, and that's where the "lenient" viewpoint comes from.
Stop pandering to the preachers and Imams, and stop looking to the Mosques for direction on how to integrate Muslim communities. That's a fundamental flaw imo. Look to the more secular elements of the community. Deport the radical preachers. Crack down on Islamic schools. And of course work with the police and other branches a lot closer. There's a lot that could be done, imo.
And it goes without saying that it's a very small minority of the Islamic population that harbour extremism in their community, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be dealt with.
I agree that this is a strange/unique attack and there are lots of unanswered questions. I don't know what media organisation you're talking about, but the BBC are not labelling this as a definite terrorist attack. The BBC reporters and presenters are being very careful in saying things like "this could be a terrorist attack", "It seems as if Downing Street is treating this as a terrorist attck" etc.
All the signs point that way.
Well the vast majority of Muslims are sane and happy to integrate anyway. We just need to fuck off the wankers.
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Vilix
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Where's the rest of it?
Doesn't look Somali tbh. More like west african.
Ravensmash
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Absolutely sickening.
also
" ‏@Official_EDL 37m
EDL leader Tommy Robinson on way to Woolwich now, Take to the streets peeps ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
Oh dear....tool.
also
" ‏@Official_EDL 37m
EDL leader Tommy Robinson on way to Woolwich now, Take to the streets peeps ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
Oh dear....tool.
Memento Mori
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Nigerian?
Alligatorjandro
Banned
fucking savages
Yeah, it's not as if they're a small part of a bigger picture or anything. Just isolated nutters. Sure.
Definitely top three
wtf man...
uff, don't know.
Sounds like british born as well. And doesn't look the islamic type at all more like a typical black youth from some estate.
And people are just talking to him while he is holding a knife and machete, even arguing apparently. I would have run as fast as I could.
Bizarre.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
I thought Tommeh was still in the nick?
Yeah he doesn't seem to have any real accent.
Take it you're going to be shutting down CofE schools as well? And aren't there Jewish schools as well? That'll go down well.
Ravensmash
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"Our lands"
*Talks in an accent distinct to Britain*
*Talks in an accent distinct to Britain*
Something must be done to curb CoE and Jewish extremism!
BattleMonkey
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Everyone seems so calm to be around these guys covered in blood and with blades
OverBlood 3
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Whats the Woolwich area like usually? High crime etc?
Which should be done through official courts not these unregulated, unchecked farces.
Count Dookkake
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Is that dude a chef?
Nicktendo86
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I'm with zomg on this one. I would go further actually as close all faith schools, religion can fuck off.
Edit: saw the footage on itv, first thing I have ever seen that has made me want to throw up.
Edit: saw the footage on itv, first thing I have ever seen that has made me want to throw up.
Meus Renaissance
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If by this you are advocating the Muslim community as a whole to be targeted in such a way, then how would this lessen tensions and impede radicalisation? Would it not merely inflame and accelerate it?
Organised religion can yeah, I am agnostic theist but the idea of "hate those guys, their sky wizard is different!" has no place outside of the third world.
jufonuk
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It has its good and bad areas pretty much like the rest or south east london
Was wrecked pretty bad in the riots but they are redeveloping the area a lot.
PJV3
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I can go along with shutting all religious schools.
digoutyoursoul
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Seeing the poor lad dead on the road, Rip 
Oh please God no. I thought that shit was something that stayed in Nigeria.
zomgbbqftw
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It's because it's the Islamic community that has a problem with extremism that the community leaders have not done enough to fix within the community and whatever the government are doing isn't working either.
Unfortunately the community needs targeting. We can dance around and pretend it doesn't, but it does. I'd hope that people would understand and help to oust the radical elements from their midst.
OverBlood 3
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Yeah everyone seems so calm. What confuses me the most is that woman seemingly laying down next to the murdered soldier. I'm starting to think I'm seeing things.
90TilInfinity
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Pretty high, unfortunately.
http://maps.met.police.uk/ (search Woolwich)
Not as bad as it used to be though, lol... =/ (lived here all my life, am about a 5 minute walk from the killing)
I know this was for Zomg, but since I expressed similar thoughts, yes. The idea of any religious schools receiving state funds is abhorrent and should be stopped.
Islam in general is a much more hardline and uncompromising religion than Christianity, and this is reflected in the way in which some elements of the education and preachings are allowed to continue, without much scrutiny. Look at Richard Dawkins' documentary on Islamic schools on youtube and tell me that should not only be allowed to continue, but to also receive state funds. It's absurd.
There were reports a group of women surrounded the victim so that the two assailants would stop attacking him.
Ravensmash
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I agree in some regards, but the problem is that people see millions of people and push them all into the same community - not realising that like themselves, they are individuals ultimately responsible for their own actions.
An innocent who happens to share the same 'religion' (because of course, anyone can lay claim to subscribing to a particular faith) does not warrant the inevitable harassment and anger directed towards them which I feel is very likely unfortunately.
Judging by his voice, probably raised, housed and educated by British society. Same as most of the July 7th bombers.
This is a growing national problem, pretty obvious not enough is being done to buck it.
Meus Renaissance
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There are a couple of million of Muslims in the UK and by those odds, terrorism was always to be likely. Surely you can understand nothing can be done to guarantee that acts of violence like this be prevented? Everyone would be for tangible, effective measures to stop these things from happening, or at the very least lessen the rate they may happen but there is no logic in adopting broad sweeping measures that would only serve to perpetuate the victimisation complex amongst Muslims that would not make us any safer but probably lead to real community tensions.
So, the entire community is at fault to some degree for not doing enough to prevent even a single Muslim out of +2million to commit an act of terror? I consider you a reasonable person, so I'm genuinely confused as to your thinking. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something?
OverBlood 3
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Oh right! Well they've got more balls than I have I would've shat myself, ran for miles and never looked back.
Cheers mate.
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