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[donny2112]

Famitsu Oct 20-26

1. NDS Wagamama Fashion: Girls Mode 86446 / NEW
2. PS2 Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon 76576 / NEW
3. NDS Pokemon Platinum 47546 / 1793361
4. WII Wii Music 42114 / 140979
5. NDS Rhythm Tengoku Gold 37260 / 967831
6. PSP Yuusha no Kuse ni Namaikida or 2 28562 / 90786
7. NDS Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia 20457 / NEW
8. PSP Bleach: Soul Carnival 17523 / NEW
9. NDS Soul Eater: Plot of Medusa 13499 / NEW
10. WII Tenchu 4 13491 / NEW
11. NDS Culdcept DS 12858 / 63326
12. PS2 Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Special 12718 / 194891
13. NDS Galileo 12549 / NEW
14. NDS Saihai no Yukue 12540 / NEW
15. WII Wii Fit 12383 / 2666314
16. WII Mario Kart Wii 11296 / 1789250
17. PS2 Kidou Senshi Gundam 00: Gundam Meisters 11022 / 50912
18. PSP Macross Ace Frontier 10543 / 133777
19. NDS Dragon Ball: Origins 6878 / 147076
20. NDS Inazuma Eleven 6735 / 126415
21. PSP Garnet Chronicle 6490 / NEW
22. PS3 NBA Live 09 6085 / NEW
23. NDS Taiko Drum Master 2: The Seven Island Adventure 5975 / 373459
24. NDS Kimi no Yuusha 5928 / NEW
25. NDS Ketsui Death Label 5481 / NEW
26. PS2 Super Robot Taisen Z 5468 / 456552
27. PS2 NBA Live 09 5408 / NEW
28. WII Happy Dance Collection 5010 / NEW
29. NDS Daigasso! Band Brothers DX 4997 / 381074
30. WII Wii Sports 4809 / 3162144

*. PS2 Sakura Taisen 3 (BEST) 4300 / NEW
*. PSP NBA Live 09 4300 / NEW
*. PS2 Shirogane no Soleil: Contract to Future 2900 / NEW
*. PSP Moeru Mahjong: Moejong! 2700 / NEW
*. NDS Final Fantasy III (ULTIMATE) 1800 / NEW
*. NDS 100 Kiri Golf DS 1700 / NEW
*. NDS Slime MoriMori: Dragon Quest 2 (ULTIMATE) 1700 / NEW
*. PS2 Gundam Musou Special (BEST) 1700 / NEW
*. NDS Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker (ULTIMATE) 1600 / NEW
*. PSP SD Gundam G-Generation Portable (BEST) 1600 / NEW
*. NDS Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings (ULTIMATE) 970 / NEW
*. PS3 Gundam Musou (BEST) 900 / NEW
*. 360 NBA Live 09 730 / NEW
*. WII Pro Golfer Saru (Monkey) 720 / NEW
*. PSP SSX On Tour Portable (BEST) 520 / NEW


Bar Chart Oct 20-26 (thanks to JoshuaJSlone/garaph.info)

Note: Image may be delayed from the time of this post, but will automatically show once the data is ready.


Recent Famitsu Top 30s

Sep 22-28, 2008
Sep 29-Oct 5, 2008
Oct 6-12, 2008
Oct 13-19, 2008

 

[test_account]

Yeah, it was a "wait for" game... though admittedly in a lot of cases it was a "wait for the LBP bundle" comment.

Really? I cant recall seeing anyone saying that atleast (i dont say that no one has ever said it, i just ask since i cant remember seeing someone saying it myself). I think i saw some discussion about that LBP could do it well in Japan, but i cant remembering that i saw that someone claiming that it would move alot of hardware (which is what "wait for" means, atleast the way i understands it).

EDIT: Or maybe if i think twice, i might remember something about people saying something about the LBP bundle as you said.

That said, after 1 week of increased hardware sales who can say they're wrong?

Indeed, but with the 80GB PS3, the PS3 GTP5 Spec III bundle and GTA 4 to be released in the same day (in addition to the PS3 LBP bundle), i guess it is hard to know how much of those PS3 hardware sales that was the PS3 LBP bundle :\ I dont think we have any numbers for that atleast

 

[Jonnyram]

Indeed, but with the 80GB PS3, the PS3 GTP5 Spec III bundle and GTA 4 to be released in the same day (in addition to the PS3 LBP bundle), i guess it is hard to know how much of those PS3 hardware sales that was the PS3 LBP bundle :\ I dont think we have any numbers for that atleast

I estimated that LBP bundle was about 8000 a few posts ago.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

why aren't DSi and DSL combined?

DS Phat and DS Lite were kept seperate as well (right until DS Phat stopped selling, iirc).

 

[test_account]

I estimated that LBP bundle was about 8000 a few posts ago.

Ah ok, i must have missed that post. Thanks for the info!

 

[Vinci]

DS Phat and DS Lite were kept seperate as well (right until DS Phat stopped selling, iirc).

Yeah, don't rush guys. These things have to kill off their older brethren naturally.

Also, Panther, who the hell is that in your avatar?? I recognize her, I know I know her, but it's pestering me since I can't remember her name.

 

[TunaLover]

WiiTittle? Man the trolls are getting worse by the day.

We are to discuss about the topic, or troll about grammar?

 

[DMeisterJ]

PS3 > Wii?

Crazy world.

 

[Liabe Brave]

From this, let's say GT5 bundle = 29k, LBP bundle = 8k. Therefore the GT5 bundle was way more popular than the LBP bundle, at a ratio of something like 3.6:1. We can also see that LBP, outside of the PS3 HW bundle sold about 43,000 over the space of a week.

Could be caused by savvy customers, if there's enough demand overlap. Let's say you want both games, and two controllers. Buying a PS3/GT5P bundle and a DS3/LBP bundle costs a couple thousand yen less than buying a PS3/LBP bundle and GT5P separately, even though you end up with all the same hardware and software in the end.

 

[Lightning]

LBP sales are exactly what I thought they were going to be. They are good considering it's Japan and how Western developed games usually perform there. The main regions for LBP are EU/US and always were. They are what will make or break the game, not Japan.

PS3 console sales are excellent and exceed my expectations. Overall good week.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

PS3 > Wii?

Crazy world.

Hrm, this breaks 360's outsell PS3 streak doesn't it? How long was it?

 

[Psychotext]

Hrm, this breaks 360's outsell PS3 streak doesn't it? How long was it?

7 weeks. It also wipes out most of the numerical advantage for those 7 weeks.

 

[donny2112]

Media-Create makes an interesting point regarding GTAIV sales.

"PS3 GTAIV sold 133K copies with a sell-through of 78.77%. At #8, the 360 version sold 34K copies with a ratio of 4:1 in sales. Because of the different characteristics of the user, it can't be categorically compared to previous simultaneous releases. However, Shin Sangoku Musou 5 in 2007 had the PS3 ahead 9:1, and Devil May Cry 4 in 2008 had the PS3 ahead 5:1."

Improving 360 simultaneous release sales? Declining PS3 sales? Combination?

Any way it goes, it's an interesting point from Media-Create.

Edit:
The Wii, 19K above its 2007 total for September, plummets to 14K below its 2007 total for October and has its first month below 100K.

 

[PantherLotus]

> > CLICK HERE FOR FULL CONSOLE CHARTS < <

 

[kassatsu]

Link is broken Panther, extra l at the end.

 

[PantherLotus]

^ thanks

panther how do u make those awesome graps?

1 part dorkery,
2 parts obsession,
1/2 part professional,
3 parts fuck awesome,
5 parts pure unadulterated need for attention.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

No regular weekly updates for the moment. I'm having a weird issue where when I upload new files to my space they don't appear to be there when you view from the web. And likewise, new database entries don't seem to be there when using Garaph. It's like it's all using a frozen backup from a week ago or something. At any rate, I'll have to contact higher-ups.

The good part about 2009 is that there is a plethora of core games coming, and as I've said before, getting core gamers to "jump in" is one of the best hopes for renewed Wii sales in Japan.

Yeah. It may be late relative to launch, but it's not necessarily too late. FF VII didn't hit PS1 until more than two years after launch, either.

 

[fanboi]

Edit:
The Wii, 19K above its 2007 total for September, plummets to 14K below its 2007 total for October and has its first month below 100K.

Wii is on death watch! BAIL OUT BAIL OUT!

 

[Rolf NB]

Yeah, it was a "wait for" game... though admittedly in a lot of cases it was a "wait for the LBP bundle" comment.

That said, after 1 week of increased hardware sales who can say they're wrong?

I'd love to see some actual statements from actual persons quoted for reference. All this "people really were this dense" gets us nowhere.

LBP always had a problem: it's a western product with a western feature-set (online community stuff) to boot. Western games have often been rejected in Japan, despite being solid and rewarding, and despite even adjustments made to their designs. See the Ratchet&Clank series. GTA is the big exception, not the rule.
On the other hand LBP still had potential, because it side-steps one of the big visual issues, namely the differences in expectation when it comes to human shapes. It's cute and non-threatening, but also abstract.

I think most sane people would have recognized that LBP's Japanese sales potential is a little harder to predict than that of most other western-developed games, due to a)its visual design and b)due to it being in a genre with little frame of reference lately (and none at all on the platform).

Now 50k still isn't a huge hit. Bladestorm sold twice as much.
LBP is yet another one of those "okay for the circumstances" performances.


Also, there wasn't only an LBP bundle. Did you really forget about the PS3+DS3+GT5P pack for the old price. Really?

 

[Nocebo]

Yeah, it was a "wait for" game... though admittedly in a lot of cases it was a "wait for the LBP bundle" comment.

That said, after 1 week of increased hardware sales who can say they're wrong?

Noone can say they're right either. Because it's just one week of sales. All the "wait for..." games produced a bump (I think) but it never lasted a significant amount of time.

 

[gofreak]

Oh, come on now, gofreak. We're at the "oh it's sales are good enough considering the market' phase now? LBP wasn't supposed to be a mere "game", but rather a PHENOMENON.

It should be, which is another matter! But I think most people probably reckoned Wii Music would easily outsell it.

Thus why it would now be some sort of surprise or 'event' if Wii Music outsold LBP is beyond me. Particularly in Japan.

 

[Lightning]

My goodness. If this is the hyperbole from LBP Japan sales, I going to deliberately be offline come NPD time...


I mean, c-mon, LBP a phenomenon in Japan? What the fuck... No Just NO.

 

[AtreyU]

^ thanks



1 part dorkery,
2 parts obsession,
1/2 part professional,
3 parts fuck awesome,
5 parts pure unadulterated need for attention.

Are those parts out of ten? There's ten and a half parts. Unless there is ten and a half parts to the whole. I would have gone with thirds myself.

 

[justchris]

Are those parts out of ten? There's ten and a half parts. Unless there is ten and a half parts to the whole. I would have gone with thirds myself.

Eleven & 1/2 parts.

 

[AtreyU]

Got me there. I am not even going to edit it.

 

[toypop]

Improving 360 simultaneous release sales? Declining PS3 sales? Combination?

I think there are various reasons, but mostly on 360 side.

*Those who bought 360 in early days are customers who don't care/need PS2 franchise games which were counted for PS3 from start.

*Their population had began to change with increase of new owners who picked 360 with PS2ish releases, like last year's AC6 Katamari and DMC4, Gundam, ToV this year.


FYI, 360 owners have a lot of importers compared to PS3, I believe that ratio will be more like 2:1 or so if you count them.
360's western titles are easily affected by how long the delay will be.
If MSKK keep silence about domestic release, similar things gonna happen to GOW2.
Just like Gears1 CoD4 and Dead Rising(Capcom!).

Today, 120 people made lines in Asobit City Akihabara for imported GoW2 launch.
http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1219576_1124.html

 

[Allan Holdsworth]

I'd love to see some actual statements from actual persons quoted for reference. All this "people really were this dense" gets us nowhere.

LBP always had a problem: it's a western product with a western feature-set (online community stuff) to boot. Western games have often been rejected in Japan, despite being solid and rewarding, and despite even adjustments made to their designs. See the Ratchet&Clank series. GTA is the big exception, not the rule.

Not really: http://garaph.info/gamesearch.php?t...=&std=&price1=&price2=&gameid=&orderby=&opt=0

 

[Minsc]

Edit:
The Wii, 19K above its 2007 total for September, plummets to 14K below its 2007 total for October and has its first month below 100K.

Year over year comparisons could get extremely ugly for the Wii soon, just look at that '07 December bar. If Wii sales flatline and don't pick up the pace, they could quickly fall to almost 1 1/2 million behind last year.

Take a look at the PS3 and Wii for November '07, they had almost the same sales. I'm not so sure the Wii will experience such a healthy jump again this year.

 

[Spiegel]

Not really: http://garaph.info/gamesearch.php?t...=&std=&price1=&price2=&gameid=&orderby=&opt=0

PS2 Ratchet & Clank 49,733 First Week - 538,029 LTD (Famitsu)
PS3 LittleBigPlanet 52,000 First Week (M-C)

And Ratchet was released in December

 

[kamikaze]

^ thanks



1 part dorkery,
2 parts obsession,
1/2 part professional,
3 parts fuck awesome,
5 parts pure unadulterated need for attention.

your avatar gets my attention well enough...though i do like the charts, too.

 

[Hero]

Year over year comparisons could get extremely ugly for the Wii soon, just look at that '07 December bar. If Wii sales flatline and don't pick up the pace, they could quickly fall to almost 1 1/2 million behind last year.

Take a look at the PS3 and Wii for November '07, they had almost the same sales. I'm not so sure the Wii will experience such a healthy jump again this year.

What? December sales are always crazy huge. Compare the years and you see the same pattern. Reverse bell curve. Wii is going to sell almost a million in December alone.

 

[Rolf NB]

Whoah, that sure is a lot of PS2 Ratchet.

I'll make a note to use safer examples next time. Something like God Of War.

 

[Captain Smoker]

System Comparison between MC/Fami/Dengeki


Hardware Japan (10/27 - 11/02/2008)

[B]  	Famitsu     Dengeki 	Media Create[/B]
  	 
[B]NDS[/B] 	188.600     189.783 	188.294
[B]PSP[/B] 	50.000 	    52.816 	50.358
[B]PS3[/B] 	36.000 	    45.094 	39.587
[B]WII [/B]	25.000 	    23.210 	23.123
[B]PS2[/B] 	6.800 	    6.804 	6.714
[B]360[/B] 	6.300 	    7.349 	6.119

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Year over year comparisons could get extremely ugly for the Wii soon, just look at that '07 December bar. If Wii sales flatline and don't pick up the pace, they could quickly fall to almost 1 1/2 million behind last year.

It's slower than last year, but it could stop selling _today_ and not be 1.5 million down for the year. To take an extreme, if for the rest of the year it only sells half as well as last year, it will end the year at 2.75 million and be down 0.95 million for the year. Or to make a more realistic guess, comparing the last 13 weeks to their 2007 counterparts, Wii is down 12%. If that holds through the rest of the year, it will reach 3.08 million and be down 0.62 million from last year.

 

[PantherLotus]

System Comparison between MC/Fami/Dengeki


Hardware Japan (10/27 - 11/02/2008)

[B]  	Famitsu     Dengeki 	Media Create[/B]
  	 
[B]NDS[/B] 	188.600     189.783 	188.294
[B]PSP[/B] 	50.000 	    52.816 	50.358
[B]PS3[/B] 	36.000 	    45.094 	39.587
[B]WII [/B]	25.000 	    23.210 	23.123
[B]PS2[/B] 	6.800 	    6.804 	6.714
[B]360[/B] 	6.300 	    7.349 	6.119

I need to see more of these. That's awesome.

 

[Somnid]

There is as much difference between them as PSP1000 to PSP3000, yet they seemed to be combined?

Not really, DSi is cosmetically is similar to the DSLite but the functionality is different to a huge degree. It's a different platform and it makes perfect sense to not combine these figures especially in the face of future DSi enhanced/exclusive card-based games as well as DSiWare.

 

[Frillen]

First day sales Kirby?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Based on the latest Famitsu hardware numbers...

PSP comparisons: After 203 weeks, PSP is where PS2 was at 150.9 weeks (January 18, 2003), where DS was at 91.1 weeks (August 28, 2006), and where GBA was at 132.9 weeks (October 5, 2003).

X360 comparisons: After 151 weeks, X360 is where GCN was at 14.8 weeks (December 22, 2001), where PS3 was at 17.8 weeks (March 10, 2007), and where Wii was at 3.9 weeks (December 23, 2006).

PS3 comparisons: After 103 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 22.1 weeks (July 31, 2000), where PSP was at 53.7 weeks (December 16, 2005), where GCN was at 102.8 weeks (August 29, 2003), and where Wii was at 24.2 weeks (May 14, 2007).

Wii comparisons: After 100 weeks, Wii is where GBA was at 90.4 weeks (December 11, 2002), where DS was at 70.8 weeks (April 7, 2006), where PS2 was at 99.4 weeks (January 23, 2002), and where PSP was at 155.1 weeks (November 26, 2007).

So both the PS3/GCN and Wii/PS2 lines crossed again.

Based on the latest Media Create hardware numbers...

DS vs PSP: Weekly shares of 78.9 / 21.1, DS's strongest since the week before Crisis Core. This brings total shares to 69.0 / 31.0. If DS stopped selling and PSP continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 261.1 weeks (November 4, 2013).

PS3 vs Wii: Weekly shares of 63.1 / 36.9, slightly better than the share PS3 had the week of MGS4. This brings the total shares to 25.6 / 74.4. At this week's rates, PS3 catches up to Wii in 275.9 weeks (February 16, 2014). If Wii stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 114.8 weeks (January 15, 2011).

X360 vs PS3: Weekly shares of 13.4 / 86.6, PS3's best share since the week of the X360 shortage. This brings total shares to 23.5 / 76.5. If PS3 stopped selling and X360 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 269.8 weeks (January 4, 2014).

 

[enishi]

First day sales Kirby?

From Sinobi, 160k (2x the first day of last title, already exceed the first week of that - 150k)

 

[cw_sasuke]

From Sinobi, 160k (2x the first day of last title, already exceed the first week of that - 150k)

And the last one sold 1 Million LTD ?

 

[lancubap]

From Sinobi, 160k (2x the first day of last title, already exceed the first week of that - 150k)

I already thought that Kirby's popularity was increasing. This is somehow a confirmation.

 

[Captain Smoker]

And the last one sold 1 Million LTD ?

Yes.

In brackets first week sales.

Kirby Squeak Squad: 1.095.781 (151.147)
Kirby Canvas Course: 315.211 (72.102)

Kirby Super Star Ultra: 160.000 (first day)


Omg, next DS million seller?


Kirby SSU (maybe) + Dragon Quest VI + Dragon Quest IX = 27 million sellers

 

[Laguna]

Wasn´t today a (fanboy)thread about Nintendo beeing in trouble (again)?

NDS is really a monster hardware and software-wise.

 

[Captain Smoker]

Wasn´t today a (fanboy)thread about Nintendo beeing in trouble (again)?

NDS is really a monster hardware and software-wise.

Wtf, where can I find this thread? :lol

They've earned more money in the last 6 months than Ubisoft, Konami, Square Enix, Koei, Capcom and Bandai Namco together (and this multiplied by 2,16).

 

[Minsc]

It's slower than last year, but it could stop selling _today_ and not be 1.5 million down for the year. To take an extreme, if for the rest of the year it only sells half as well as last year, it will end the year at 2.75 million and be down 0.95 million for the year. Or to make a more realistic guess, comparing the last 13 weeks to their 2007 counterparts, Wii is down 12%. If that holds through the rest of the year, it will reach 3.08 million and be down 0.62 million from last year.

Unless there's an error in Panther's charts, it is already down ~ 1/2 million. December alone on your chart accounted for ~900K and november 200K. Shouldn't it be able to be down over 1 1/2 million if it stopped selling today then? (500K (current difference) + 200K (nov) + 900K (dec) = 1,600K).

Obviously that won't happen, but if it somehow finished november and december with just under 100K each month, it'd be at around 1.5M under for the year. 1M is more likely imo, like you said, half as much. But it will be exciting to see! If the Wii continues with too many more weeks at under 25K, it will become more of a possibility.

 

[Laguna]

Wtf, where can I find this thread? :lol

They've earned more money in the last 6 months than Ubisoft, Konami, Square Enix, Koei, Capcom and Bandai Namco together (and this multiplied by 2,16).

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=341270

It gets even better after the opening post.

 

[zoku88]

I wonder why Canvas Curse gets no love, it's my favorite Kirby game...

 

[donny2112]

Today, 120 people made lines in Asobit City Akihabara for imported GoW2 launch.
http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1219576_1124.html

Cool. Any idea how that compares to the first Gears of War?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Unless there's an error in Panther's charts, it is already down ~ 1/2 million. December alone on your chart accounted for ~900K and november 200K. Shouldn't it be able to be down over 1 1/2 million if it stopped selling today then? (500K (current difference) + 200K (nov) + 900K (dec) = 1,600K).

Obviously that won't happen, but if it somehow finished november and december with just under 100K each month, it'd be at around 1.5M under for the year. 1M is more likely imo, like you said, half as much. But it will be exciting to see! If the Wii continues with too many more weeks at under 25K, it will become more of a possibility.

Here are the numbers I'm using. Counting this week's MC data, we're already a bit into November. Through 44 weeks Wii is about a half million behind. In the last 8 weeks of last year, Wii sold a bit under 900K.

However, with months not always liking to end on the same day as counting periods, definitions of a month can differ. If one was trying to match up with NPD months as closely as possible, one would probably include the week of December 31, 2007 - January 6, 2008 as a week in December, which would add another 200+K week to Wii last year, and would match pretty well with the 200K/900K numbers you mention.

EDIT: However, if we were to count the first week of January into 2007, then Wii would be more like 700K behind right now, with an "if it stops now" potential to reach 1.8m behind.

 

[farnham]

canvas course is a great game

but i loved kirbys fun pak so im happy that its out on DS!

Hopefully Nintendo will finish their GC project and release it for the Wii