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Media Create Sales 5/19 - 5/25

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jarrod

Banned
Eh... they could've gotten those sales just doing a quickie PS2 Sakura Taisen 6. 120k's not shameful, but c'mon... you really think SEGA's happy?!

Next test, Initial D Extreme Stage!
 
J

jarrod

Banned
Pureauthor said:
I'll never understand why people call Advance Wars an SRPG...
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It's not really imo, though AW2 and AWDS both have some degree of dynamic stat leveling for COs (and DOR has it for units). I guess technically it could apply... and really, it's not too weird to lump it and Fire Emblem in the same genre.

I'd call them both strategy games first though...
 
K

kswiston

Member
jarrod said:
It's not really imo, though AW2 and AWDS both have some degree of dynamic stat leveling for COs (and DOR has it for units). I guess technically it could apply... and really, it's not too weird to lump it and Fire Emblem in the same genre.

I'd call them both strategy games first though...
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I agree with you. Warcraft III, Heroes of Might and Magic, Warlords, and (to a lesser extent) Civilization 3+4 all had units that leveled and no one refers to those games as SRPGs.

In my opinion, a game has to have some freedom to choose what you will do next to warrant the RPG part of SRPG. Even if it is simply the option to go back to past battle maps to level up (or do a side quest) in between story events. Fire Emblem gives you zero freedom to explore. Similar to the campaign modes of almost every strategy game in history, you simply move from one map to the next.
 
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Pachael

Member
jarrod said:
Eh... they could've gotten those sales just doing a quickie PS2 Sakura Taisen 6. 120k's not shameful, but c'mon... you really think SEGA's happy?!

Next test, Initial D Extreme Stage!
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Well, that series is dead (SakuTai) - I think a 'quickie' ST4 spoiled much of that goodwill the series had.

And Initial D might be on its way out as well - Wangan Midnight is kicking its ass all over the arcade (but they don't have those solid arcade conversions - is that because Genki still has the console license?)

Sega's waiting for US/Euro reception of Valkyria before deciding if they're happy with it. If it bombs in those two territories, well, that series is dead too. Overworks will probably not get to do a Skies 2 and instead get stuck doing Sonic Riders 3 with ex-UGA. Hua hua hua. :(
 
J

jarrod

Banned
Pachael said:
Well, that series is dead (SakuTai) - I think a 'quickie' ST4 spoiled much of that goodwill the series had.
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It's dead... but you really think a theoretical ST6 wouldn't move at least 120k on PS2?


Pachael said:
And Initial D might be on its way out as well - Wangan Midnight is kicking its ass all over the arcade (but they don't have those solid arcade conversions - is that because Genki still has the console license?)
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Well, Wangan PS3 can't be too encouraging then....


Pachael said:
Sega's waiting for US/Euro reception of Valkyria before deciding if they're happy with it. If it bombs in those two territories, well, that series is dead too. Overworks will probably not get to do a Skies 2 and instead get stuck doing Sonic Riders 3 with ex-UGA. Hua hua hua. :(
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Why would Skies 2 be dependent on Valkyira? Not like it's ever been in R&D for PS3. ;)

Besdies, ex-UGA already works with NowPro on the Riders games. :p
 
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kswiston

Member
How did the first Skies of Arcadia sell (both on the Dreamcast and on the Gamecube)? Despite the fact that a large portion of Gaf would herald it the second coming of Christ as they greedily rip through its packaging on the day of its released, is there any guarantee that Skies of Arcadia 2 would sell? Even on the Wii?
 
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Kurosaki Ichigo

Member
kswiston said:
How did the first Skies of Arcadia sell (both on the Dreamcast and on the Gamecube)? Despite the fact that a large portion of Gaf would herald it the second coming of Christ as they greedily rip through its packaging on the day of its released, is there any guarantee that Skies of Arcadia 2 would sell? Even on the Wii?
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DC Skies of Arcadia - 42735 (First week, 5th October release)
DC Skies of Arcadia - 74351 (LTD year 2000)

GC versions didn't even chart ;)
 
F

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
jarrod said:
Well, Wangan PS3 can't be too encouraging then....
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Wasn't Initial-D kind of a bomb on PS2 in the first place? And that was at the height of its arcade popularity IIRC...
 
rykomatsu

rykomatsu

Member
jarrod said:
Eh... they could've gotten those sales just doing a quickie PS2 Sakura Taisen 6. 120k's not shameful, but c'mon... you really think SEGA's happy?!
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Maybe bank on the tail market outselling the first 2 weeks of sales over the next few months? I wouldn't call it a glowing success, but for a new IP, it seems to be doing pretty damn well. If it were an established IP, then well..yeah...
 
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JoshuaJSlone

Member
Fafalada said:
Wasn't Initial-D kind of a bomb on PS2 in the first place? And that was at the height of its arcade popularity IIRC...
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Just doing a quick search for games with the word "Initial" in my database, I only find this one from 2003. Was at 267K last we saw. Doesn't seem too bad, though I've really got no context as far as expectations or how popular it was at the arcade.

From the old thread:
Hcoregamer00 said:
Did the old PSP ever sell that badly?
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People have already answered "No.", but to add to that here are the 5 worst weekly PSP numbers according to Media Create:

20,031
19,123
19,043
16,690
15,564

Hell, might as well make this more informative and do it for the other modern systems.

Wii
24,992
24,932
24,143
20,704
20,575

DS+DSL
25,321
22,446
22,363
21,698
10,223

PS3
8,659
8,232
8,054
7,701
7,438

X360
1,100
1,094
1,076
1,039
928
 
C

ComputerNerd

Banned
JoshuaJSlone said:
People have already answered "No.", but to add to that here are the 5 worst weekly PSP numbers according to Media Create:

20,031
19,123
19,043
16,690
15,564
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That's interesting. The PSP was consistently over 20K. The PS3 is having a bitch of a time breaking 10. How many weeks are there of the PS3 < 10K?
 
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donny2112

Member
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
DC Skies of Arcadia - 42735 (First week, 5th October release)
DC Skies of Arcadia - 74351 (LTD year 2000)

GC versions didn't even chart ;)
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8K first week. No updates after that, though.

JoshuaJSlone said:
Just doing a quick search for games with the word "Initial" in my database, I only find this one from 2003. Was at 267K last we saw. Doesn't seem too bad, though I've really got no context as far as expectations or how popular it was at the arcade.
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PS1 Initial D - 122K
The one you posted (BEST) - 80K
PSP Initial D: Street Stage - 105K

PS1 and PSP had ~50K first week, so I think that's a reasonable expectation for the PS3 version. ~100K LTD (like the PS1 and PSP) also seems reasonable.



Famitsu May 12-18

1. WII Mario Kart Wii 58452 / 1307824
2. PSP Monster Hunter Portable 2 G 55770 / 2121229
3. PSP Bleach: Heat the Soul 5 39592 / NEW
4. WII Wii Fit 36395 / 2039690
5. NDS Luminous Arc 2 35042 / NEW
6. WII Battalion Wars 2 24893 / NEW
7. WII Link's Crossbow Training with Wii Zapper 16504 / 156437
8. NDS Taiko Drum Master 2 14728 / 150151
9. NDS Mario Kart DS 13607 / 3047019
10. NDS Beautiful Letter Training DS 11974 / 234986
11. WII Wii Sports 11594 / 2936284
12. NDS Pokemon Ranger: Batonnage 10185 / 531598
13. PS2 Musou Orochi: Maou Sairin 9477 / 369848
14. WII Wii Play 9235 / 2347001
15. PS3 Valkyria Chronicles 6521 / 119148
16. NDS Emblem of Gundam 6151 / 41117
17. PS2 Aoishiro (Blue Castle) 5667 / NEW
18. PS2 Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5 5291 / 162506
19. NDS Bokura wa Kaseki Holder (We are Fossil Diggers) 5224 / 110022
20. WII Super Smash Bros. Brawl 5204 / 1639846
21. WII Deca Sporta: Wii de Sports 10 Shumoku! 5200 / 180327
22. NDS New Super Mario Bros. 5166 / 5175613
23. NDS SimCity DS 2: Kodai kara Mirai e Tsuduku Machi 4935 / 130020
24. NDS Mario Party DS 4491 / 1706362
25. NDS Phoenix Wright (NEW BEST) 4169 / 31720
26. NDS Tottadoo! Yoiko's Deserted Island Life 4145 / 93520
27. NDS Phoenix Wright 3 (NEW BEST) 3881 / 22198
28. NDS Phoenix Wright 2 (NEW BEST) 3877 / 24077
29. 360 The Darkness 3752 / NEW
30. NDS Taiko Drum Master 3533 / 393923

*. NDS Nanatsuiro * Drops: Touch de Hajimaru Hatsukoi Monogatari 3400 / NEW
*. PSP Ikuze! Gen-San: Yuuyake Daiku Monogatari 1900 / NEW
*. NDS Dungeon of Windaria 1200 / NEW


Recent Famitsu Top 30s

Apr 14-20, 2008
Apr 21-May 4, 2008
May 5-11, 2008
 
C

Cheesemeister

Member
31./33. [NDS] Prof. Layton and Pandora's Box (Level 5)
32./34. [NDS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo)
33./26. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 5 (Konami)
34./35. [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo)
35./38. [NDS] Yatterman DS: Surprising, Startling Battle (Takara-Tomy)
36./31. [NDS] Pokémon Diamond (Pokémon)
37./30. [NDS] Crayon Shin-chan: Arashi wo Yobu Cinema Land (Banpresto)
38./32. [NDS] Phoenix Wright 3 (Capcom)
39./27. [NDS] Phoenix Wright: Gyakuten Revival (Capcom)
40./25. [NDS] Home Teacher Hitman Reborn! DS: Fate of Heat (Takara-Tomy)
41./39. [NDS] Harvest Moon: Shining Sun and Friends (Marvelous Entertainment)
42./37. [NDS] Naruto: Shippuuden Shinobi Retsuden II (Takara-Tomy)
43./45. [NDS] Taiko Drum Master DS (Bandai-Namco)
44./40. [NDS] Phoenix Wright 2 (Capcom)
45./42. [NDS] Pokémon Pearl (Pokémon)
46./00. [360] Stranglehold (Success)
47./36. [NDS] Phoenix Wright 4 (Capcom)
48./44. [NDS] More English Training (Nintendo)
49./00. [PSP] Musou Orochi (Koei)
50./41. [NDS] Kanji Test 2 (Rocket Co.)

NDS - 32
WII - 8
PS2 - 3
PSP - 3
PS3 - 2
360 - 2

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Code: 
Hardware - This Week | Last Week |       YTD |        LTD
1. PSP   -    64,449 |    70,536 | 1,819,072 |  9,420,666
2. WII   -    49,047 |    41,572 | 1,468,839 |  6,084,999
3. NDS   -    37,404 |    34,905 | 1,415,561 | 22,588,612
4. PS3   -     9,071 |     7,701 |   417,673 |  2,059,349
5. PS2   -     7,189 |     7,022 |   228,483 | 21,155,520
6. 360   -     1,947 |     1,474 |    58,448 |    565,789

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S

Sage00

Once And Future Member
Everything's up, happy days! (Except PSP)

Only looked at PS3 first.. almost thought Haze caused the 2k bump. :lol
 
J

jj984jj

He's a pretty swell guy in my books anyway.
Wow, there's still a bit of a gap between Famitsu and MC PSP numbers, there's nearly a 25k difference combining the past 2 weeks.
 
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Pachael

Member
jarrod said:
It's dead... but you really think a theoretical ST6 wouldn't move at least 120k on PS2?
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I'd say that Sega's lost money over ST5 so they're unwilling to put money in a quickie ST6.

jarrod said:
Well, Wangan PS3 can't be too encouraging then....
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Two things:

- Wangan console/handheld versions (there's a PSP one) has been deved by Genki from pretty much the beginning based on their 'Highway Battle' games which have the usual trait of 'SP' battle where the player has to be in front of the other to drain SP from the other player - this has proved popular to some extent (eg. Tokyo Highway series was a niche hit on the DC, for instance). For now Wangan console (incl. PS3) will continue to be deved by Genki.

- Wangan arcade is Namco, and despite the fact that they borrow a few elements from Wangan console (note: Namco's the license holder), they also borrow elements from Initial D, which was a surprise hit from Sega (by following the advantage system rather than the 'SP' system Genki uses). A few more changes (eg. more traffic) and the Namco touch catapults the title to stardom, smashing Initial D's popularity all over the place that no one really wants to play ID4 compared to Wangan 3.

Hence, what's disappointing for Wangan game fans who've come from the arcade is that they might have expected a Wangan console game to mirror the arcade (like Sega's Initial D). Except they get a mix of Wangan arcade and Genki. While this might sound bad, at least what it does is that it doesn't cannablise the arcade game as consumers now know and expect the console and arcade games to be different.


jarrod said:
Why would Skies 2 be dependent on Valkyira? Not like it's ever been in R&D for PS3. ;)

Besdies, ex-UGA already works with NowPro on the Riders games. :p
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Referring to my earlier point, I'd be surprised if Sega drops money into big projects anymore, since it does seem that the games that turn out good sell badly and the games that turn out bad sell well (not all the time, but if you whack a license on it, eg. Iron Man, or Hulk...)

Skies 2 is more wishful thinking then anything else by me - I would be, since Skies characters are cameoed in Valkyria.

ex-UGA/NowPro on Riders, well, that's not very inspiring either, but people will buy it for the Sonic brand name (not necessarily in Japan).
 
G

Grampa Simpson

Banned
HK-47 said:
A turn based strategy game?
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Nectaris is a turn based strategy game, but the moment that you add cutscenes between battles, character development, and story lines, you cross into SRPG territory...by the Japanese definition.
 
H

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
bmf said:
Nectaris is a turn based strategy game, but the moment that you add cutscenes between battles, character development, and story lines, you cross into SRPG territory...by the Japanese definition.
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err wut?
 
A

AniHawk

Member
So the mighty PSP is dying. Nintendo is finally taking over the Japanese market.

Edit: Uh... was there Phoenix Wright Day last week? Are those all $20 versions of the game or something?
 
N

nextgeneration

Member
ComputerNerd said:
That's interesting. The PSP was consistently over 20K. The PS3 is having a bitch of a time breaking 10. How many weeks are there of the PS3 < 10K?
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last year = 7
this year so far = 6

this is using media create #'s.
 
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Clever Pun

Member
What are the most recent LTDs we have for the two Layton games (or best estimates from those who watch more closely than I)?
 
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donny2112

Member
Clever Pun said:
What are the most recent LTDs we have for the two Layton games (or best estimates from those who watch more closely than I)?
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Layton 1 - 843K (20080224)
Layton 2 - 784K (20080330)

AniHawk said:
Are those all $20 versions of the game or something?
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Yes.
 
H

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
bmf said:
The correct response is 'wat', not 'wut'.

also

http://www.rif.org/

and

The difference between a turn-based strategy game and an SRPG is story. Not by everyone's definition, but by enough of the right people.
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Umm no. Starcraft has a story but its not a real time RPG. Same for Advance Wars

Also it can be either wut or wat. Stupid thing to argue about
 
A

Atreides

Member
bmf said:
The difference between a turn-based strategy game and an SRPG is story. Not by everyone's definition, but by enough of the right people.
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No, a SRPG is a game that have characteristics of both strategy and RPG games. Usually a no linear strategy game (you can choose to go to different places to battle) with characters that level up (and carry the levels gained between battles) would be called a SRPG. Advance Wars doesn't have that. It is just a turn based strategy game.
 
S

Saitou

Banned
bmf said:
The correct response is 'wat', not 'wut'.

also

http://www.rif.org/

and

The difference between a turn-based strategy game and an SRPG is story. Not by everyone's definition, but by enough of the right people.
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Advance Wars and Fire Emblem are neither SRPGs or TBSs.


They are puzzle games.





No really. I'm super cereal.
 
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justchris

Member
Saitou said:
Advance Wars and Fire Emblem are neither SRPGs or TBSs.


They are puzzle games.





No really. I'm super cereal.
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I can see it in Fire Emblem's case, but Advance Wars? A few of the maps are like that, but the multiplayer maps are pure strategy.
 
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Cheesemeister

Member
Fuzzy said:
Not even close. These threads are starting to die and I blame Cheesemeister. You-know-who was right!
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What, not the seasonal nature of game sales?

Oh well, I'm moving to Japan next month. It may be difficult to post threads in the middle of the day unless I set up the program to automatically post without any checking.
 
V

Vinnk

Member
skinnyrattler said:
When's the generation gonna end?
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What do you mean?

This gen hasn't even started yet.

It starts when Sony says it does.

And looking at the sales, they havn't said it yet.

All this people playing Wii don't even realize the generation hasn`t started yet.

Those fools.

:: Waits for generation to start ::
 
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