shinobi602
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Won't do much good when it's bottlenecked by the CPU and RAM.
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Metro Last Light dev: 'Wii U has horrible, slow CPU' [Up: DICE dev comments]
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Won't do much good when it's bottlenecked by the CPU and RAM.
Ok, I have to admit that this got me.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
Strong points flew out of window with Wii premiere.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
This may come as a surprise to you, Nintendo has some very good developers, arguably the best in business.
This is not the Atari 2600, with the best of the best developers, the games should be exceptional.
Is anyone really going to play Bayonetta 2 and Retro's next game and wonder what Nintendo was thinking???
Maybe "some" here.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Is it reasonable to accept conclusions from a developer who has had nothing but an "early look" at the hardware? Doesn't sound like they've spent any time actually developing on a WiiU, so how does one weigh their opinion?
Brainiac 8
Member
Which is indicative of THQ's current financial state rather than the consoles power.
Do you guys expect the Wii U to last until 2017-2018 considering its hardware if more developpers think the same way, especially with other next-gen consoles coming? Sure, the Wii did great even with its crappy hardware vs more advanced consoles, but the Wii U won't be able to replicate that.
What does this even mean?
Debattable at best.
Bending_Unit_22
Member
Yes to the former, no to the latter. Though the issue with the latter stems directly from the former.
metalslimer
Member
Yeah...wtf. I guess it begins was right....
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Apparently, it was not too too difficult, when the toolchain was younger, to get general purpose code performance below that of the Emotion Engine's R5900i CPU on the PPE...
...Isn't that what they said? They said it's possible they just don't have the resources to spend on it.
oh god, you have to be kidding me.
Wii U hardware truly turned out to be the absolutely WORST case scenario.
Nintendo has succeeded in going below the lowest of the lowest expectations people had.
It's not next gen.
It's not current gen plus.
It's current gen minus.
Wtf. It's actually amazing the lid remained on the pot of truth has been kept closed untill after the launch.
Wii U hardware truly turned out to be the absolutely WORST case scenario.
Nintendo has succeeded in going below the lowest of the lowest expectations people had.
It's not next gen.
It's not current gen plus.
It's current gen minus.
Wtf. It's actually amazing the lid remained on the pot of truth has been kept closed untill after the launch.
UberTag
Member
The WiiU will last that long simply due to boasting unequivocal domination of Japan.
And the strength of Nintendo IPs.
Any and all Western third-parties could drop support for the system tomorrow and Nintendo could still coast along with their first-party efforts and Japanese third-party interests (both exclusive and otherwise).
#1 in Japan and #3 everywhere else (#2 if Sony continues to struggle financially) isn't such a bad deal. Nintendo will still be making mad profits. And that doesn't even factor in their domination of the portable space.
Frankly, it's a GOOD thing the WiiU is so underpowered. Guarantees more support from the Japanese development community that way.
yankeeforever2
Member
I think Nintendo itself, or Wii-U exclusives will not be ham-stringed, I can see ports being a problem though.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It's funny how it's all about the games now and how graphics don't matter when for the past year+ graphics and spec talk regarding Wii U were all the rage -- see the dozen or so speculation threads with thousands of posts each for proof.
H_Prestige
Banned
LOL
LOL, dude this is a thread about hardware. Why do you want to change the subject? It's great you're enjoying your Wii U games, but that's beside the point.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I think the issue is that it isn't that simple.
GPU, amount of ram (debates over the effect of ram speed aside), are clearly above what's in the PS3 and 360. We have devs specifically citing they can open up with textures and effects on Wii U.
The problem is all the debate over whether the CPU is 'different but equal' for practical purposes, or all around weaker. Or it varies on an engine by engine, game by game basis.
Is this that NeoGAF 'hivemind' thing where it is presumed the same people who said one thing, are now saying the opposite?
The obsession over Wii U hardware has kind of been a running joke you know.
On the contrary, I seem to remember a fair number of people who have been pretty consistent about "games matter more than graphics" through the entire saga. Besides this, don't commit the typical oversimplification... characterizing the position that games matter most as a statement that graphics don't matter. This is a fairly annoying trend (not pointing at you specifically). Someone reminds everyone that games matter, they get dismissed as a luddite in denial about the importance of technology.
thecouncil
Banned
so, what theyre telling me is that WiiU is THREE Gamecubes taped together?
Aquamarine
Member
You really should put two and two together. Let me show you:
It's called business.
Chiggs
Member
I remember Perfect Dark Zero generating negativity for the 360, but when Oblivion came out several months after launch..., well, it died down.
yeah those new nintendo ips every year are wonderfull.
It makes reading those Wii U technical threads a lot more humorous.
shinobi602
Member
To be honest the only reason I got a Wii U is for its (inevitable) delicious 1st party offerings...and any 3rd party ports that perform better than 360/PS3 (if there is such a thing...)
Didn't you get the memo? Rumble is *last* gen.
Like the hat?
Banned
Some people seem to take their hyperbole really seriously
sevenchaos
Banned
My expectations were a better looking Wii and as far as I can tell that's exactly what I got. Would I love strong third party support? Of course. If it isn't there it isn't there. It wont be the end of the world.
Shit. You caught me.
Sexually Aggressive Uncle
Member
DX10 architecture FTW! THIS THING WILL BE AMAZING
I'm aware of the talent of Nintendo's developers, but I think it's a shame that they're going to be inherently limited by bargain bin hardware yet again.
It's understandable to see why people are disappointed.
So, we already knew the CPU was "slow" but that doesn't address optimizing for OoO vs In order.
Secondly, the way he said "possibly to its detriment" made me think that it's just a lot of work like the PS3 to get a good version running anid they didn't have the resources or confidence the CPU wouldn't bite them in the arse.
Basically Wii U is a slow machine with fast EDRAM and more modern GPU that needs a lot of effort to get working well. Wish it wasn't so hard for devs.
Secondly, the way he said "possibly to its detriment" made me think that it's just a lot of work like the PS3 to get a good version running anid they didn't have the resources or confidence the CPU wouldn't bite them in the arse.
Basically Wii U is a slow machine with fast EDRAM and more modern GPU that needs a lot of effort to get working well. Wish it wasn't so hard for devs.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I still remember how Wii U was supossed to be 3x or 4x times more powerful than current hardware... lol
Brainiac 8
Member
Gamers: "Nintendo, give us an HD console!"
Nintendo releases and HD console.
Gamers: "Not HD enough!"
I'm already enjoying this new console generation. I cannot wait for what MS and Sony shows us.
Nintendo releases and HD console.
Gamers: "Not HD enough!"
I'm already enjoying this new console generation. I cannot wait for what MS and Sony shows us.
I think that's unfair to him. If people really did switch viewpoints when all this came out, they deserve to be derided for being hypocrites, but you can't really attribute that to people who legitimately don't care (Unless you dug into his post history and caught some inconsistencies).
Criminal Upper
Banned
To be perfectly fair, we probably won't see Metro Last Light released on the PS3 or 360 either.
I had no idea you were a fan of patents.
Shadow Hog
Member
You cannot be worse than worst. That goes against the definition of "worst".
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Some publisher will grab the game, specially considering is almost finished.
shinobi602
Member
Fix'd.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It wasn't directed at him specifically, but overall they seem to be gravitating back towards the "it's about the games, not graphics" mantra, despite tens of thousands of posts discussing said graphics over the past year and a half.
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