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Microsoft is looking at using the Cloud to help Xbox One X games take up less space
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What the fuck is a "disc"?
David Ricardo
Member
I don't know why they use the word cloud. You are not uploading anything. You just download the parts you need and delete the rest. That's not the cloud (Registered trademark), that's just downloading the game from the marketplace one chunk at a time.Jesus people. This is just an extension of what they already have when downloading a game and trying to play it while it's still downloading. Only this time it's looking at what parts of the game the user is at and deciding what parts need to be on the local disc while keeping the footprint as small as possible. If you are playing a single player game, most likely after like mid-game...you won't need as many assets from the end of the game on your local HD as you aren't there yet, and when you are near the end, you won't need parts from the middle/beginning...but once you finish the game, you'll most likely need parts of the beginning if you wanted to start again. It's pretty simple.
It's obviously going to be an optional feature as they know the shit they would get into knowing people have data caps. Yall can stop with the:
POWER OF THE
POWER OF THE
POWER OF THE
CLOUD
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
I meant Microsoft's first-party games specifically. Halo 5 and Gears of War are 100GB+ each and that's before the introduction of 4K assets. Meanwhile Sony are still floating around the 40-50GB mark. Multiplayer maps and that come into it, but surely not to that extent. Mah. Just curious.
aspiegamer
Member
So essentially it's splitting up asset packages into smaller pieces that can be downloaded separately instead of forcing a gigantic patch on everyone, regardless of if they can take full advantage of the 4K textures? Or cycling through different data as needed at different times to save space? That's... actually clever, but something that still requires way better internet connectivity than is available to most people.
Where's the gil of Bart Simpson touching the electrified cupcake repeatedly?
Objectively, "advertises tech that was previously advertised as a game-changer 5 years ago that has turned out to be 100% bullshit promises, claiming for super realsies people should listen to them this time" is a pretty rational concern.
Where's the gil of Bart Simpson touching the electrified cupcake repeatedly?
TharpDaddy
Member
Try actually reading the op and critically thinking about what it's saying. Data streaming is not a new concept. How did you get from reducing hard drive space to "power of the cloud will save Xbox"?
For some reason this feels like the most convulted solution to a not really existing problem. Storage too small? Include bigger HDDs! Want to only partially install a game (the level based idea) have the disc only partially install it instead of the need to go online.
This reads to me like an attempt to reintroduce their original plans but this time with 4K asset size as their reason.
This reads to me like an attempt to reintroduce their original plans but this time with 4K asset size as their reason.
If this is an optional new feature that tries to address the storage space complaints seen on every platform this gen (before 4K assets, mind you), then that's probably a good thing. The Switch tries to do a version of this where you can "archive" a game, but it's mostly about making a convenient tile for inactive games that has your save file on it, that you click and it downloads the game files from the normal game selection menu. This sounds like trying to be a step above that, specifically with max-res assets (which is good). Considering to compartmentalize download segments (high-res vs standard, single vs multi, etc), you need some back-and-forth handshaking so the network side knows what to pull and integrate (and remove, so you're not getting redundant files). The more they can streamline the engineering for that, the better.
I swear, people who get outwardly upset at the mention of cloud networking solutions were too deep into the platform warrior scene at the start of the gen. They're not selling this to consumers a separate service. I prefer local storage, hence my 5TB USB drive, but I'm not going to gripe that they're making a new option for users.
I swear, people who get outwardly upset at the mention of cloud networking solutions were too deep into the platform warrior scene at the start of the gen. They're not selling this to consumers a separate service. I prefer local storage, hence my 5TB USB drive, but I'm not going to gripe that they're making a new option for users.
Yearsoflurking
Member
Innovations and having options is a bad scary thing
Yep, it is. Anything else?
OMG, I'm dying.
The words cloud and Microsoft were mentioned in the same sentence, people got triggered.
Not really considering Microsoft has been bragging about the Cloud all generation and nothing has come from it.
Yup because of that is why people should be wary of believing Microsoft when they keep talking about the cloud.
That's one way to spin you acting like a doubting idiot and getting proven wrong.
Leyasu
Banned
What you wrote in your irst paragraph is how I imagine it would be.
The cloud promise from back in the day was nothing more than bullshit born out of desperation. Apart from the word cloud though. This really has nothing to do with that.
What even is this post? lol!
Yep, it is. Anything else?
Microsoft will never learn, I'm impressed by them, really, any other company would have shut down if it wasn't for them, one of the worst big company of the decade.
Edit: I'm joking, obviously...
I know this is a gaming forum and not focused on tech, but some GAF members should really look into educating themselves on the technologies powering their gaming platform from time to time. Especially if they feel like participating in these kind of discussion. Some of the comment in this thread are painful to read.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
You know what is really ingenious? The compression.
Christocolus
Member
And what was I doubting, exactly? I believed you owned an XBox, I was laughing at you using it as a defense.
Colbert
Banned
this.
This.
Similar to Hololens, Illuminroom, VR support etc.
Vaporware needed to drive up positive WOM.
Some folks jumped onboard the Xbox One hype train because of this.
How'd that work out in the end?
therealbigrich
Member
Is Mike just talking about cloud saves? Sounds like a way for you to just have a TB HD and not have to buy a extended HD . Idk but don't see much of a reason to bring up the power of the cloud since this is know and used tech thats optional .
Unfortunately, it won't happen.
Nope. It's like a band aid on a gunshot wound. A cheap fix that doesn't actually get at the source of the problem and on top of that would only work if you have Internet that doesn't go out.
All this thread is doing is affirming what we were talking (arguing) about in the 1X pre-order thread.
This is a very viable solution and is rather smart. I want to see it in practice. When Crackdown 3 finally actually releases, I hope it shuts up the cloud naysayers and opens up Cloudgine for other games in the gaming world, it has huge potential.
Well 4K gaming is only to get bigger, what do you suppose Mr Rockman armchair engineer?
Bitch Pudding
Member
Oh come on now, this is about cloud storage, not cloud computing.
It's actually nice to have a choice - if data caps are not in your way.
For a lot of people the problem isn't the cost of storage, it's the cost of data.
Microsoft's main market is the US. The US and UK are the only places where Microsoft has managed to catch up to or stay ahead of Sony.
Microsoft's main market is the US. The US and UK are the only places where Microsoft has managed to catch up to or stay ahead of Sony.
mattwhite924
Member
Ugh, I already have to deal with Azure enough at work. Just let me download everything and not worry about it.
Unreal Champ
Banned
If they can give the player the option, then that's fine but if not, fuck off with that bullshit.
I hate to tell you, but a CDN system is "the cloud"
Let's just break down this argument.
- You don't need "the cloud" for this.
- This should be available via a CDN
- It isn't available via a CDN
So we are left with 2 choices
- Make it available
- Don't make it available.
What's your point?
It should exist? But it doesn't? But it should exist? But it doesn't?
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Welp....I guess I've been wrong for all these years then lmao! I've been thinking that disks still download on all the systems.
So I guess for digital games, I would need to see how this works for offline gaming.
Yeah. It needs to be an option. Not obligatory
I'm sure everyone here actually understands why people are replying with "The Power of the Cloud" in this thread.
It was a Microsoft Xbox One marketing slogan from 2013 that they've really yet to deliver on. The article says Microsoft is offering a feature for the Xbox One involving cloud storage and now people are telling jokes.
It was a Microsoft Xbox One marketing slogan from 2013 that they've really yet to deliver on. The article says Microsoft is offering a feature for the Xbox One involving cloud storage and now people are telling jokes.
aspiegamer
Member
How it reads to me is that it sorts of wants to handle some data like a SSHD where "recent" stuff is make more readily available. That's well and good until you want to race on a new track and you might instantly need a heap of new assets that would obviously not downloaded instantly. It also raises the issue of not readily having some of the data available for people using 1080p displays where it would benefit from rendering higher and downscaling.
Again, this is actually pretty clever, but it's for a world where everyone has perfect a gigabit connection with no limitations or caps.
They made so many claims and promises of improved game capabilities and performance. Tech demos, listing games it could help, etc. This and "DX12 will change everything!" are memes for a reason.
so instead of a one time download/install, it now constantly downloads the bits it needs as you play and wipes what you don't need? so if you play the game again it's literally having to download it all again in small bits and send it to your machine to access. this sounds worse? sounds like you could end up using way more bandwidth than if you had it all there and kept it? maybe i'm misunderstanding
Yearsoflurking
Member
It's 2017 Microsoft no longer uses that slogan. At this point it's just immature thread shitting
Well that totally clears it up
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