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Microsoft on hardcore gamers: "Sweaty 30 Year Olds In Metallica T-shirts"
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Chet Rippo
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I've got a few years yet before I can be considered hardcore I guess. I have to work on that t-shirt thing too.
TheExecutive
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flyinpiranha said:
Wise man lol. Too many times has this happened.
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I'm just happy I got into PC gaming when I did. Valve, Steam, the indies, 'middle-tier' kooky foreign games, better versions of console games and a keyboard and mouse, all motion control free.
I'm slowly starting to understand the folk who only really play handheld games or mainly PC games. Before this generation I was strictly console only, but my ass is sore and I'm looking for a gentler lover.
I'm slowly starting to understand the folk who only really play handheld games or mainly PC games. Before this generation I was strictly console only, but my ass is sore and I'm looking for a gentler lover.
PopcornMegaphone
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I cannot believe people care about this.
Well, I do like Metallica (pre St. Anger anyway), but I'm still in my 20s (getting up there though), and I also like jazz fusion and classical symphony, also I'm not sweaty.
You know what your average sweaty 30 year-old Metallica fan loves though...Halo, Microsoft is too hip for it obviously, but its some sort of really popular shooty game.
Stupidity aside, that comment really does show an obvious demographic disconnect.
You know what your average sweaty 30 year-old Metallica fan loves though...Halo, Microsoft is too hip for it obviously, but its some sort of really popular shooty game.
Stupidity aside, that comment really does show an obvious demographic disconnect.
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well, we're talking about the people who only buy COD, Halo and MaddenStarfire said:
Segata Sanshiro
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I think my problem with all of this is that MS just made everyone sweatier. Way to help the problem, guys.
Mr.NiceGuy
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Rez said:
fixd for ya.
Chet Rippo
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Maybe they won't be so sweaty if they worked out a little more?
I don't think the author is mad by the actual comment. It's Microsoft's foul attitude and delusion:
They're undermining and stomping on the audience who made them successful. And at the same time, they have this misconception that Kinect (which is entering a market, four years too late) is going to be an over night success. The think it will yield profits close to, equal to or greater than of what they had with the hardcore market or what Nintendo has had with the Wii.
In other words, MS is basically saying "We don't need you "gamers" any more, because dumb ass soccer moms, non gamers and little kids will eat this shit up. We've milked you for all we could and we're moving on. Oh, and thanks for your cash".
But little do they know, with that attitude, the competition (read: Nintendo) and (in my opinion), how much a piece of shit Kinect is, MS is in for a rude awakening. Their arrogance is unjustified, and they are going to pay for it. When Kinect bombs, MS will come up with every excuse and reason known to man, besides 1) it came out too late and 2) it's crap. Then again, do you really expect a big corporation to come out and be honest about why they fucked up?
They're undermining and stomping on the audience who made them successful. And at the same time, they have this misconception that Kinect (which is entering a market, four years too late) is going to be an over night success. The think it will yield profits close to, equal to or greater than of what they had with the hardcore market or what Nintendo has had with the Wii.
In other words, MS is basically saying "We don't need you "gamers" any more, because dumb ass soccer moms, non gamers and little kids will eat this shit up. We've milked you for all we could and we're moving on. Oh, and thanks for your cash".
But little do they know, with that attitude, the competition (read: Nintendo) and (in my opinion), how much a piece of shit Kinect is, MS is in for a rude awakening. Their arrogance is unjustified, and they are going to pay for it. When Kinect bombs, MS will come up with every excuse and reason known to man, besides 1) it came out too late and 2) it's crap. Then again, do you really expect a big corporation to come out and be honest about why they fucked up?
mjemirzian
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We should strap these PR wonks to a chair and force them to play dodonpachi daioujou until they can kill hibachi.. or die trying. Then they'll know what true hardcore gaming means.
Trent Strong
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Metallica?
DaBuddaDa said:
Sorry for not posting another shitty pun or smart assed comment. I thought maybe, just maybe, some people would like to actually have a real discussion :/
The sweaty thing is funny. The dude who wrote that was over reacting, though, maybe he wasn't. But I think GAF is missing the bigger picture here.
What the MS executive said was dumb, but whatever. Who cares? It ain't that big of a deal. It's just their general attitude both towards the market that made them successful (gamers), combined with the insane notion that Kinect is gonna sell like gangbusters. It's cute and sad at the same time. I can't wait for a year to pass, after this Kinect has failed, after MS makes dumb excuses, and maybe, when they get their shit back together and learn not to be so arrogant. It will be interesting...
DevilWillcry
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Well there's always the PS3 for the hardcore
Tim the Wiz
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To be fair, not really.
akachan ningen
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Wow. Way to bite the hand that feeds you, MS. This strategy has to work out for them since they've been on a roll lately.
There's some great irony in this article.
1. The hardcore image that Microsoft is working against is the "hardcore" that they invented and marketed. This is the ironic hardcore, in juxtaposition to the original "hardcore gamer" that was open and willing to try everything, even wacky shit. The image they are marketing against is their own image.
2. The outcry against it is made up of a bunch of people who bought into the manufactured "hardcore" that Microsoft created and are completely self-unaware of the lie they bought into. "We're the real gamers Microsoft!" is really just "We're the smucks that bought your marketing angle!" So now the outcry of "You sold out!" is really "We sold out and now we're getting mocked by our own false God." :lol
1. The hardcore image that Microsoft is working against is the "hardcore" that they invented and marketed. This is the ironic hardcore, in juxtaposition to the original "hardcore gamer" that was open and willing to try everything, even wacky shit. The image they are marketing against is their own image.
2. The outcry against it is made up of a bunch of people who bought into the manufactured "hardcore" that Microsoft created and are completely self-unaware of the lie they bought into. "We're the real gamers Microsoft!" is really just "We're the smucks that bought your marketing angle!" So now the outcry of "You sold out!" is really "We sold out and now we're getting mocked by our own false God." :lol
akachan ningen
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etiolate said:
Everyone who bought a 360 was just fooled by marketing? The good games on the system had nothing to do with it?
Thunderbear
Mawio Gawaxy iz da Wheeson hee pways games
I'm 32, don't sweat a lot except when I play sports or go to the gym. I am good looking enough to have been offered to model for a fairly respectable agency (not that it matters). I buy/play easily 35-45 games (including PSN/XBLA games) a year. Not particularly interested in Kinect based on the games so far. Everyone in here has their own personality/physical apperance even though they are hardcore gamers. The people laughing at that joke in that audience are people I wouldn't want to hang around. They are as bad as the people thinking it was a good joke to make.
Nintendo, even if they have shifted their focus, at least they don't put people down. Microsoft has always had this attitude in business. You think potential profit justifies it? Probably wouldn't want to hang around you either.
Generalization and a judgmental attitude just sucks period whoever's mouth it comes out of.
Nintendo, even if they have shifted their focus, at least they don't put people down. Microsoft has always had this attitude in business. You think potential profit justifies it? Probably wouldn't want to hang around you either.
Generalization and a judgmental attitude just sucks period whoever's mouth it comes out of.
akachan ningen said:
*sigh*
The image they are marketing against is their own image. This image is based on the "hardcore" or "core" gamer, something they skewed towards PC titles since thats the sort of software houses that they had quickest access to. The gaming public bought into this remarking of "hardcore" and started adopting it for everything and placing it against Nintendo's blue ocean marketing. The idea of what a "gamer" really is became forever skewed by MS's successful marketing plan.
Whether people bought their 360 for a certain game or set of games is irrelevant, they bought the "core" concept. People without a 360 bought the concept. The identity is what is ironic in the outcry.
lowlylowlycook
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Two questions the first for MS the second for gaf:
Who is willing to pay $60 a year to play their games online, sweaty 30 year olds or normal people?
Given that claiming that someone is the type of person that would buy a modern Sonic game is 100 time the insult that "sweaty Metallica lover" is why is this thread over 500 posts?
Who is willing to pay $60 a year to play their games online, sweaty 30 year olds or normal people?
Given that claiming that someone is the type of person that would buy a modern Sonic game is 100 time the insult that "sweaty Metallica lover" is why is this thread over 500 posts?
Sir Lizardman
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pfft I don't wear a t-shirt well playing games. That almost as crazy as gaming and wearing pants.
akachan ningen
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etiolate said:
That's not what you said before. You said they bought into the "marketing angle." It's not just an angle if the games are actually there. It's a bait and switch, not a marketing angle.
Segata Sanshiro
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No, that will just create more sweat and more stink and then dead bloated heart-attacked bodies that stink even more.Chet Rippo said:
Square Triangle
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I'm only 23 with Metallica, Trivium, Opeth, Mastodon, etc shirts. So MS we're still cool right?
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I haven't followed gaming news very closely lately, but MS cutting down hardcore gamers sounds odd to me. Sounds like a spin.
Xbox Live is purely catered to the hardcore, not only from the price point (especially with the recent $10 raise), but to the features offered too. XBL brings in most of their money and it's mostly from the hardcore pockets, so to say that MS is trying to eliminate the hardcore is just ridiculous.
Edit: OK, I actually read the article. :/ People are overreacting.
I haven't followed gaming news very closely lately, but MS cutting down hardcore gamers sounds odd to me. Sounds like a spin.
Xbox Live is purely catered to the hardcore, not only from the price point (especially with the recent $10 raise), but to the features offered too. XBL brings in most of their money and it's mostly from the hardcore pockets, so to say that MS is trying to eliminate the hardcore is just ridiculous.
Edit: OK, I actually read the article. :/ People are overreacting.
Bolt Vanderhuge
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Well isn't that true?
PepsimanVsJoe
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Didn't I just freaking say that I didn't want to read anymore posts about how old everyone is and what kinds of shirts they wear?
Suddenly it's a time-warp and I'm in some cruddy AOL chatroom.
Suddenly it's a time-warp and I'm in some cruddy AOL chatroom.
Segata Sanshiro
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GAMER RAGEBolt Vanderhuge said:
Well isn't that true?
GAMER RAGE
IMA KILL EVERY PROPERLY GROOMED PERSON I LAY MY MOTHAFUCKIN EYES ON
TheExecutive
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Why For? said:
The most interesting part of this post is about the publisher in question. OverreactionGAF used to be on different terms...