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Microsoft to announce indie self-publishing, new certification process [Confirmed]
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This sounds a lot like what CBOAT was talking about- publishing Win8 app games through XB1. The 14 day cert, pick your release date and price things sound like App Store guidelines.
Note to MS: if this is actually the case, then this is not reversing your position on anything. This is still a crap solution.
Not if this is a Windows 8 app store solution. Indies would get access to 3GB shared memory on the XB1 and confined to App guidelines and cert processes.
Again, I really really hope this is an actual full access pass for indies to build on XB1, and not some backdoor app publishing program that is akin to XBLIG.
Note to MS: if this is actually the case, then this is not reversing your position on anything. This is still a crap solution.
Not if this is a Windows 8 app store solution. Indies would get access to 3GB shared memory on the XB1 and confined to App guidelines and cert processes.
Again, I really really hope this is an actual full access pass for indies to build on XB1, and not some backdoor app publishing program that is akin to XBLIG.
That's a great point, but there's still the big difference in TRC requirements between the platforms for certification (ie. achievements for xbox, adding high scores for XBL...) that can be a significant time suck
Kazuma Kiryu
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Was thinking the exact same thing. I'm guessing if this turns out to be true, "marketplace integrity" will stop being a problem anymore for a few posters.
immortal-joe
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They were going to fold sooner or later once Indies took action and loudly shifted over to Sony.
The console ID would not be stored on an HDD, likely a small area of NAND flash that the firmware is on.
cyberheater
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This is huge news. Really huge news.
R3TRODYCE
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If they are relegated to using the non-game OS, then yes, that would prove to be an issue. Not so much with RAM, but with the limited GPU and CPU resources. But, if that were the case, it wouldn't be a reversal of policy as GI is claiming. That would just be what they planned on doing all along.
Delusibeta
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Will wait for confirmation that this is not Microsoft dressing up their WinRT App Store Ghetto as a self-publishing scheme.
It can be significant, especially to the growth of indie games and to larger games. Though he's not exactly the go-to source on pro Microsoft opinions to begin with, Jonathan Blow said during a Giant Bomb e3 show that he had no idea how useful the extra memory would be until he had it, and I believe he implied that it wouldn't be easily moved to Xbox due to the console having less memory available for games already.
Realistically it wouldn't hurt most of the games that have already been released, but those games have been developed specifically with low memory of previous consoles in mind. The bigger impact could be if the Windows 8 store is separate from the normal games marketplace. Less visibility means less incentive to sell your game on Xbox over PC/PS4.
I'd assume that they'd still be split into XBLA and XBL Indie games.
I don't see how this is a crap decision unless you know exactly how this store will be handled on the Xbox One. Right now (to me at least) it seems your equating the way the store is handled on Windows 8 to how it will be on the Xbox. The Windows store on Xbox could very well be an integral part of the Xbox OS experience, and not a ghetto like it's Win8 counterpart.
Let's be real, 99% of indie games won't require that kind of memory. Why? That's a ridiculous amount to ask for from people who casually play on their PC.
FACT: If they make a game that requires 7gb of ram to be free at all times, they have drastically reduced the amount of people that can play/buy it
No, that would be due to the hypervisor only allowing that OS that amount of resources for use.
la flama blanca
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#teamCBOAT
Psycho_Mantis
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This people is why competition is good. Everyone wins especially Indie.
I remember Jonathan Blow just saying the extra memory was good because it mean he didn't have to spend development time on doing memory optimizations, not necessarily that it couldn't be done with less memory.
Honest question...does CBOAT write like that to conceal his/her identity?
Has it been confirmed that indie games only have access to the OS memory partition? Either way, the side effect of having that "little" ram accessible potentially allows for games to run on a lot more PCs than it would have with higher spec requirements.
Well, yeah. All of that goes hand in hand. I just want clarification, though I've never doubted CBOAT.
davepoobond
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you have to buy the console.
I took a psychology course in college and we talked about a dating experiment during one of our classes. It was performed to test the level of attractiveness females had for other males. The were four groups of males: one that were attractive to females, one that were unattractive to females, one that was initially unattractive to females but over time grew to be attractive, and a control group. The results showed high levels of attractiveness for the attractive group and low levels for the unattractive group. What was interesting though is that the group that became attractive over time resulted in much higher level of attraction than the group that was initially attractive. I always thought this experiment was pretty interesting and I feel it applies here. Long story, Microsoft might be total geniuses.
Correct. It is coming out for iOS. Good luck on 5gb of ram there hahaha
Delusibeta
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Nah, it'll be a ghetto because it'll be shoved into the corner like XBLIG, with zero discover-ability.
la flama blanca
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Pound_lb003
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Makes sense the W8 rumour and 3GB of RAM available for development on the shelf models.
I don't know how you'd turn a shelf model into a devkit without it being paired back.
Still a good plan.
I don't know how you'd turn a shelf model into a devkit without it being paired back.
Still a good plan.
because it would be run in the OS partition and not the "game" partition
Because it is probably running on the Windows 8 part of the OS. A full game could conceivably be using the other 5 gigs at the same time in a suspended state.
I don't think the memory is a big issue, as long as the games/apps have full access to the GPU/CPU.
Making it so that retail Xbox One's can be transformed into a Dev Kit is pretty ingenious. Instead of loaning out a Dev Kit, you're basically forcing Indie Developers, should they want to develop for the Xbox One, to purchase an Xbox One. So they're getting a developer and a consumer in one clean swoop.
Oh definitely, that's what I meant by "easily". It's doubtful that most games, even bigger releases, couldn't be made to run on lower specs. Hell, Watch Dogs is being released on everything short of digital thermostats. But Watch Dogs has 1,000 people at Ubisoft behind it. Smaller teams might not want to deal with the extra work to port a game, especially if the app store is sectioned off from where the majority of customers will be looking for games.
Thanks for the clarification. I hope the 3GB rumor isn't true.
For one example, The Witness already uses over 5GB according to Blow. Though I have no idea who is publishing that.
I don't get how the witness can be made on iOS yet not on Xbox. I just can't see RAM limitations being a problem at this stage of next gen.