I'm not bothered by it but I do think you're touching upon a very valid criticism of the show.Stopped watching after episode 3. I love the premise and the serial killers' performances. But I can't stand Holden and there just feels like there's something missing to keep my interest. It's not just that it's slow moving. I can't really put my finger on it.
I'm on episode 7 now. I like the show a lot, nice atmosphere and all that. But the Holden and GF stuff is so boring, man. I could have skipped all those scenes and I don't think I would have missed out on anything.
I finished it too
Holy shit, what a ride, loved it !
Man I hope other legendary directors jump on the TV Series train and embrace us with their talent, just like the way David Fincher is doing, splendid job!
watch the Knick. Soderbergh directed all episodes of both seasons and its damn good.
Im a complete idiot. Can someone explain the last 5 minutes or so for me? Im also not familiar with the guy they kept showing in the intro. I thought they would do more with him
I'm a complete idiot. Can someone explain the last 5 minutes or so for me? I'm also not familiar with the guy they kept showing in the intro. I thought they would do more with him
A 40-minute conversation with one of the world's greatest living filmmakers about his new Netflix series Mindhunter, plus news on his future projects.
Those scenes are critical to his character development
He's the BTK killer probably the most infamous serial killer in history.
He will probably be a constant background theme until he's featured in a later series.
Oh I didnt even think about having him in the future seasons. Thats good then.
so Holden was just having a panic atttack right? He wasnt drugged or something in the end
Panic attack.
He's the BTK killer probably the most infamous serial killer in history.
He will probably be a constant background theme until he's featured in a later series.
Worth watching after ep2?
I mean ai like the show but i feel like theres something missing, does it get any more interesting?
Worth it to keep going if I didn't love ep1?
Worth it to keep going if I didn't love ep1?
Edit: I see others are wondering the same thing.
He said 'legendary directors'.
watch the Knick. Soderbergh directed all episodes of both seasons and its damn good.
This was great. Just when I was thinking of quitting Netflix, they come out with a show of this caliber.
The first episode was kinda rocky but it got good real quick.
Yeah but let's face it, the actress playing his girlfriend is dreadful.
I loved Holden's arc.Going from eager self-starter and soft-hearted sensitive boyfriend to total narcissistic dick (at work and at home) and then fucking himself and collapsing into a heap at the end. It's a good contrast to how other characters may have appeared to be antagonistic to his methods, but by the end you see that they were just even-keeled and responsible compared to Holden.
I'm surprised they pickedthe BTK killer to be the guy at the start given how long it took for him to get caught. Would have thought they might have done Dahmer or Bundy.
That Empire interview with Fincher is great. I don't get the sense Penhall is gone though? Finch only has good things to say about him. He was the one that came up with the idea to fictionalize the main cast even while keeping real names on the killers and the more prominently known victims. He said he couldn't be so beholden to the literal experiences of Douglas and Ressler if he was going to write good drama and the team seemed to agree that change was the key to getting to make the show as they envisioned it.
[The situation] was complicated. HBO offered me a creator/exec producer deal which means they would pay for me to go and live in America and run a writers room. They said [Penhall puts on Hollywood accent] do you want the whole pie, do you want a slice of the pie, do you want an iddy bit, what do you want?
And I said I want the whole pie, expecting to go to America and do it and then FincherHBO and took it to Netflix where he was comfortable and between them they cooked up this idea that I wouldnt go out to America and run the writers room, he wanted to run it, which I was happy with because by then it was 3 years later and I didnt want to go, my kids were in school so we agreed on this virtual writers room, spoke to them on the internet [and] occasionally flew into town.
[Fincher] wanted me to hire English writers and I couldnt find English writers that I liked enough to do it or to get their head round it. Hes one of those, he likes the English, hes an anglophile, he thought it was much better I was able to look them in the eye when we were working.
It ended up much better for me to get LA writers. The women that I wanted were all from LA and lived 2 miles from the office it turned out. They were very classy writers, theyd written Mad Men, had Emmy awards. They couldnt really be part of a writers room and be bossed around and paid a pittance and made to rewrite these 25 times. I commissioned them, I paid them, I got them to do 2 rewrites and then after that I had to do it.
In the end it proved very difficult to make work. Its shot now and were waiting to come out. I dont know whats going to happen in terms of season 2, 3, 4 and 5 because that model is probably unworkable. Me writing 7 episodes and 3 Emmy award-winning writers writing the other three, its high maintenance.
Hollywood works on a room full of up-and-comers who are good but will do anything for a pittance.
Yeah, that sounds like he's in a position where involving him past the outlining phase is difficult just because he's a continent away.Penhall is almost certainly gone, but everyone has good things to say about him. The real reason behind the departure might be logistical as much as creative though.
https://writerlyblogblog.wordpress.com/2017/04/24/joe-penhall-the-interview-part-2/
Overall great season of TV but I found the whole business with Principal to be preposterous. The show wanted grey in a very black and white situation.
That story is really about Holden and his own issues.Overall great season of TV but I found the whole business with Principal to be preposterous. The show wanted grey in a very black and white situation.
Overall great season of TV but I found the whole business with Principal to be preposterous. The show wanted grey in a very black and white situation.
I hope Fincher directs the whole next season. The first two episodes were so much more visually interesting then the rest. Im only on 8 though
I hope Fincher directs the whole next season. The first two episodes were so much more visually interesting then the rest. Im only on 8 though.
That story is really about Holden and his own issues.
Hmmmm, don't know, I wouldn't say her acting was special or something, I guess it got the job done
And honestly, I don't know how you can objectively define a bad acting in a movie ot a tv series, do you have any criterion?I mean what traits about her acting made you not like it?
He might be imitating him at points unconsciously because Groff used to date him.Close your eyes when you listen to Holden Ford and tell me he doesn't sound exactly like Zachary Quinto.
Was everyone fucking insane in the 70s?An excerpt from Tyler Cowen's complacent class relevant to the show's era:
What a different era we live in today. Certainly puts the University/FBI tensions in context.
It's looking like everyone was just completely screwed up by lead poisononing en masse till the 80s kids after lead gas got banned out.Was everyone fucking insane in the 70s?
What do you mean?