BlackGhost
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D. Rose, Koby Altman did it again!
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juliushandle
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Does Gasol's contract mean LMA is gonna be traded? For Kyrie?
Such a strange off season for us. I really hope this means LMA is gone. It doesn't
juliushandle
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darkwing-buck
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John Wall just got paid. Now there is only one Max free agent they likely want (Boogie)
Starphoenix
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Why on earth did the Spurs spend this kind of money on Gasol!? Especially after letting Simmons walk? This is borderline ridiculous.
Look at the post above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't think that's the max free agent they want
MetalFearSolid
Banned
Spurs definitely overpaid for an aging big
DRose to Cavs confirmed?
DRose to Cavs confirmed?
Why not? Boogie put up similar numbers to Lebron last season with a better 3pt% and He's significantly younger. Boogie also plays a position where they dont already have a superstar (Kawhi)
The Spurs would ideally want a max level PG and C to pair with Kawhi while Wall and Cousins were pitched as a package deal. That was San Antonio's master plan.
Where are you pulling this form? Pop wants to coach boogie ????
They're low key having a terrible offseason. The Warriors two closest competitors from last year are shitting the bed right now.
BronsonLee
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Derrick Rose on that Karl Malone chasing a title ish
Starphoenix
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Think a lot of this stems from the fact that they couldn't move LMA. Still no excuse for letting Simmons walk.
There were a whole bunch of rumors that Boogie + Wall was an offsesson package deal. Simmons/The Ringer was pushing it especially hard. The Spurs fit is just common sense. (And was probably said by Simmons/Ringer first but i cant be bothered to go look for sources)
Besides Mike Malone loved coaching Boogie and Pop is signing up for USA basketball of which Boogie is a member. Thats a non issue.
Khaos Kontrol
Banned
Man, I hope Rose can actually stay healthy.
Dealing with boogie a whole season is a different animal. Saying it's a non issues is crazy. Once he starts to loaf on defense pop isn't going to be nice and is anyone sure boogie can take a year of that. With that said I would take him 10 times out of 10 over LMA.
CD'S BAR
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Question now what do you take for Kyrie?
Who knows what offers they're getting but if I'm Gilbert I say fuck it and get Carmelo if NY can include some younger guys/picks. Then watch as Lebron, Rose, and Carmelo bolt next summer Lol and you can rebuild. Assuming Carmelo will still waive his shit for Cavs.
Who knows what offers they're getting but if I'm Gilbert I say fuck it and get Carmelo if NY can include some younger guys/picks. Then watch as Lebron, Rose, and Carmelo bolt next summer Lol and you can rebuild. Assuming Carmelo will still waive his shit for Cavs.
Guess the pitch the Cavs gave to Rose.
So Cavs want wings and picks for Kyrie?
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/07/derrick_rose_cavaliers_agree_t.html
So Cavs want wings and picks for Kyrie?
Cavs would be dumb to give in and trade Kyrie.
Make him play out his contract and wait to see if you can get fair value for him (you can't).
Randolph Freelander
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The odds he'll still be playing come playoff time, though...
the_darkness
Banned
Boogie is a clear violation of the Spurs' no dickheads policy.
Derrick Rose has always had immaculate luck
Except for the injuries that ruined his career.
ratcliffja
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But is he bout dat life?
RedAssedApe
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Here's a nice little story:
14 Years Later: Larry Nance Jr., Soldier Pen Pal Reconnect
Can't go without a mention of the Cavs and Lebron though
14 Years Later: Larry Nance Jr., Soldier Pen Pal Reconnect
Can't go without a mention of the Cavs and Lebron though
Ninja Scooter
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There is zero reason for the Cavs to settle for a "fuck it" deal when Kyrie has two years left on his deal. They can take a "fuck it" deal next offseason, or the 2019 trade deadline, if it really came to that. The Cavs have all of the leverage. It would be stupid to trade him now, this late in the offseason, when most teams' rosters and caps are set and a deal would be prohibitively more difficult.
Yes they are. As a conference finalist with a decent amount of cap space, the worst case scenario should be bringing that same group back. They essentially traded Dedmon and Simmons for Rudy Gay.
Ginobili, Gasol, and Aldridge are all a year older. Parker is coming back from a serious injury. They will still win close to 60 games, but I have them as the 4th best odds of making the finals in the West now.
LMFAO
I mean they need to try to improve their team without getting an all star caliber player in return. To do that they probably need three quality starting caliber guys for Kyrie. They need a point guard replacement, a wing defender, and a guy that can create offense. I know this isn't a plausible return because they all play on different teams, but an Eric Bledsoe, Danny Green and Eric Gordon type of package would make the Cavs a better team. I wouldn't pull the trigger if I were the Cavs if it's anything less than that sort of return.
Plausible return would be
Cavs get Bledsoe, TJ Warren, Tyson Chandler and Greg Monroe + lots of picks
Bucks get Kyrie
Suns get Love and Shump
Cavs do it because they fix there depth chart, get a competitive smallball lineup (Bledsoe, Smith, Warren, Lebron and Thompson) a rim protecting center who can dish out 6 fouls a game (Chandler)
Aditionally Greg Monroe's expiring contract + picks puts the Cavs into strong contention for getting Boogie Cousins at the deadline. (Monroe is a salary match without a long term commitment and New Orleans badly needs to get younger via multiple draft picks. Something the Cavs will now have in abundance)
Lebron may still leave but you potentially get a 2nd title in 3 years plus have some picks and other assets stockpiled to either stay as a mediocre playoff team or blow it up and completely rebuild.
Cavs get Bledsoe, TJ Warren, Tyson Chandler and Greg Monroe + lots of picks
Bucks get Kyrie
Suns get Love and Shump
Cavs do it because they fix there depth chart, get a competitive smallball lineup (Bledsoe, Smith, Warren, Lebron and Thompson) a rim protecting center who can dish out 6 fouls a game (Chandler)
Aditionally Greg Monroe's expiring contract + picks puts the Cavs into strong contention for getting Boogie Cousins at the deadline. (Monroe is a salary match without a long term commitment and New Orleans badly needs to get younger via multiple draft picks. Something the Cavs will now have in abundance)
Lebron may still leave but you potentially get a 2nd title in 3 years plus have some picks and other assets stockpiled to either stay as a mediocre playoff team or blow it up and completely rebuild.
PuppetMaster
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Rose going to Cavs?? As a Bulls fan this makes me sick...
Ninja Scooter
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That's an awful return for the Cavs. You are trading Kyrie and Love for basically 2 years of Eric Bledsoe and a couple of overpaid bigs you don't need.
How about the summer league mvp's?
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BlackGhost
Banned
We did it
Rose back to the playoffs! He'll probably be much better than Deron Williams..
shit.
Sit him until round 1!
shit.
Sit him until round 1!
the bucks are getting Kyrie for Monroe and picks? Yeah fuckin right lmao
BlackGhost
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m_shortpants
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Jesus Christ that was fast
It will never happen, but something like Kyrie for Isaiah, Smart, and Crowder makes a ton of sense for both Cleveland and Boston. Cavs get a Kyrie replacement for a year that they can let walk when LeBron walks and much needed depth and defense at the wings. Boston avoids the Isaiah dilemma that is coming next summer and gets a cornerstone PG that fits both their present and future timelines, unlike Isaiah.
2 years of Boogie Cousins was worth Tyreeke Evans + Buddy Heild + 1 pick.
Thats close to the going rate. Cavs could ask for Delly back but they just signed Rose so why bother just save that money.
I want you to think real hard how little has been given up in trades for these All-Stars/All-NBA players and tell me that the Bucks trade idea is not possible