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[Glorified G]

She looks like a fat cartoon.

I don't know why this post is cracking me up. lol

 

[Raziel]

More like, what's the point?

This is a video game forum. People post their thoughts and opinions about things here, often about video games and video game related media.

 

[akidnamededdy]

More like, what's the point?

What's the point of any of this videogame bullshit?

She's an established character in a long running franchise, can't people comment on how this particular iteration of her looks compared to others without being accused of jacking it to videogame characters?

Primarily to make our dicks hard, apparently

Well I guess that answers that.

 

[hey_monkey]

How can anything really be judged from a single screenshot in which the character appears to be in motion, which creates an awkward angle/expression?

I don't have a horse in this race; I give two shits about this game or the character, but this got brought up elsewhere and I am genuinely baffled at the vehement reactions and judgments.

 

[Karkador]

This is a video game forum. People post their thoughts and opinions about things here, often about video games and video game related media.

and it's worth while 100% of the time?

What's the point of any of this videogame bullshit?

Primarily to make our dicks hard, apparently

 

[akidnamededdy]

and it's worth while 100% of the time?

You're free to read another topic if you deem this one unworthy of your time.

 

[Raziel]

and it's worth while 100% of the time?

Only to people that choose to engage in said discussion; all others are free to leave it. You, you're going to like this forum thing.

 

[sakipon]

In the gaming side we have a thread for pointing out how a fat, unattractive woman character dares to ruin the views. And in the OT we have a thread for wondering why female users are not enjoying GAF. Well done, guys.

 

[Raonak]

Definetly not from the same designers who did Ivy, catwoman, talia & harley

 

[Roshin]

Nothing at all. What's the problem with pointing out that the character isn't good looking?

If there's no point, then why are you pointing it out? Did random words just happen to fall out of your mouth and make up a sentence or what?

 

[Raziel]

In both Gaming and OT side we have people that misread and fail to gauge the overarching arguments on one or both sides, and knee jerk an unfounded summation of the thread, to be cool and ironic.

 

[Karkador]

You're free to read another topic if you deem this one unworthy of your time.

Only to people that choose to engage in said discussion; all others are free to leave it. You, you're going to like this forum thing.

Maybe you missed this

 

[akidnamededdy]

Maybe you missed this

I was too busy jacking it to Poison Ivy, my bad.

The character design is ugly. Nobody's cancelling their preorder over it.

 

[Raziel]

Maybe you missed this

Yeah I did miss it, but you're a bit all over the place now. First you wondered about the point to posting things on a forum, then you asked about it's worth and what that means, now you're linking a thread in another sub-forum that I suppose is tangentially related? What is your question, now?

 

[Pau]

Yeah I did miss it, but you're a bit all over the place now. First you wondered about the point to posting things on a forum, then you asked about it's worth and what that means, now you're linking a thread in another sub-forum that I supposed is tangentially related. What is your question, now?

No, he wondered at the point of posting about how unattractive a female character is and then linked you to a thread were people were talking about how this very thing drags down the quality of discussion on GAF.

 

[simplythebest]

....... Your point is? Little confused as to what you're implying since comics aren't my thing.

Well, that explains why you'd ask such a thing. It means don't count on it as it wouldn't make any damn sense at this point in his career.

 

[Raziel]

No, he wondered at the point of posting about how unattractive a female character is and then linked you to a thread were people were talking about how this very thing drags down the quality of discussion on GAF.

No, what? Posting opinions about video games is a valid thing to do on this forum. The thread he linked doesn't change that in any way.

 

[akidnamededdy]

No, he wondered at the point of posting about how unattractive a female character is and then linked you to a thread were people were talking about how this very thing drags down the quality of discussion on GAF.

Would you say it drags the quality of discussion down more or less than every other poster saying "what is the point of this discussion and why are you people talking about things"?

 

[greycolumbus]

I feel it's mostly a bad shot. It sucks that in her reveal she's framed as pouty and practically child-like what with the scolding Gordon is giving her. Hopefully that doesn't translate too much into the game.

 

[Pau]

No, what? Posting opinions about video games is a valid thing to do on this forum. The thread he linked doesn't change that in any way.

Well, considering that this a moderated forum, I think you'd find that not all opinions are valid. But anyways, not saying that such comments should be banned, but the point of that thread is that this Would/Would Not reaction to any time the image of a woman appears on GAF is getting pretty old.

Would you say it drags the quality of discussion down more or less than every other poster saying "what is the point of this discussion and why are you people talking about things"?

Well, it sounds more like people are asking why people feel the need for every female character to be sexually attractive and what the point of that is.

 

[Karkador]

Yeah I did miss it, but you're a bit all over the place now. First you wondered about the point to posting things on a forum, then you asked about it's worth and what that means, now you're linking a thread in another sub-forum that I suppose is tangentially related? What is your question, now?

My oriiginal question was about the point in criticizing the attractiveness of a female game character in a game.

Let me walk you through what actually happened so you don't get too ahead of yourself.

1)

What exactly is the problem with having a character that isn't good looking?

In the first post, AdventureRacing asked what the problem with having a character that isn't good-looking (we will reasonably assume this meant "not attractive").

2)

Nothing at all. What's the problem with pointing out that the character isn't good looking?

In response, akidnamededdy reassures that there's nothing wrong with having an unattractive character. He then seems to state, as a rhetorical question*, that the problem is with pointing out that the character isn't good looking.

When someone states that there is nothing wrong with A, and then go on to say something along the lines of "it's okay to question A", as if there's something wrong with it, that's called a contradiction, which is when two points conflict in meaning and intent.

*A 'rhetorical question' is when someone frames an argument, often meant to be persuasive, as a question

3)

More like, what's the point?

So that's when I ask akidnamededdy what the point in asking that question (reminder: "What's wrong with pointing out that the character isn't good looking?" when he already seemed to assert, in his previous sentence (reminder: "Nothing at all." (reminder, in response to: "What's wrong with a character that isn't good-looking?")) that there wasn't anything wrong with a character that wasn't good-looking. So again, I ask, what's the point? (hint: there's either none, or he was being insincere*)



* not expressing genuine feelings.

 

[hey_monkey]

I feel it's mostly a bad shot. It sucks that in her reveal she's framed as pouty and practically child-like what with the scolding Gordon is giving her. Hopefully that doesn't translate too much into the game.

this to the power of wow, so many assumptions made on one poor angle.

 

[G-Fex]

this to the power of wow, so many assumptions made on one poor angle.

Her personality sucks too and frankly I'm repulsed by her smell.

 

[hey_monkey]

Her personality sucks too and frankly I'm repulsed by her smell.

Now we're getting somewhere.

 

[greycolumbus]

this to the power of wow, so many assumptions made on one poor angle.

I can't tell if you agree or disagree. We are made to assume things by these shots, unfortunately.

 

[Chariot]

*In LeMaximillian's voice* WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER FACE!? D:

Seriously, though, that shot looks like something out of a sitcom.

Seriously I would like to see a sitcom version of batman, where the same stuff happens, but with laughs and the same lame slapstick jokes sitcoms usually have. Also we need Neil Patrick Harris as the Music Meister.

 

[hey_monkey]

I can't tell if you agree or disagree. We are made to assume things by these shots, unfortunately.

I agree with what you posted a bit up, while Karkador was explaining life, the universe, and everything. I just feel like this is a really dumb screenshot to make any real judgment on. It might be that she will look weird in the game. Might be not. Results inconclusive to my eye due to situation in screenshot.

And then elsewhere, obviously, she's a fat cow destroying all that is good and holy, but that's a whole other kettle and I'm already fighting that one elsewhere.

 

[Eusis]

Well it IS UE3, so humans that aren't bald or have extremely short hair are sort of a crap shot in general. Just look at ME, the aliens invariably come out better than the humans.

 

[Raziel]

Well, considering that this a moderated forum, I think you'd find that not all opinions are valid. But anyways, not saying that such comments should be banned, but the point of that thread is that this Would/Would Not reaction to any time the image of a woman appears on GAF is getting pretty old.

Except, as I said earlier, there's a segment of opinions here, that think the male characters *and* the sexed up female characters in past and current games in this series look bad, simply on the basis of bad art. Are some people fine with how the characters look? Yes. Do some people think this character simply looks ugly? Yes. Like you said though, that's nothing that warrants any kind of mod action. The point is not everyone is singling out this character - again, some think ALL characters in this game comprise a poor art style - and these opinions are largely being ignored and lazily lumped in with or labeled as "would/would not" to feed an agenda. Context is important.

My oriiginal question was about the point in criticizing the attractiveness of a female game character in a game.

Let me walk you through what actually happened so you don't get too ahead of yourself.

1)



In the first post, AdventureRacing asked what the problem with having a character that isn't good-looking (we will reasonably assume this meant "not attractive").

2)



In response, akidnamededdy reassures that there's nothing wrong with having an unattractive character. He then seems to state, as a rhetorical question*, that the problem is with pointing out that the character isn't good looking.

When someone states that there is nothing wrong with A, and then go on to say something along the lines of "it's okay to question A", as if there's something wrong with it, that's called a contradiction, which is when two points conflict in meaning and intent.

*A 'rhetorical question' is when someone frames an argument, often meant to be persuasive, as a question

3)



So that's when I ask akidnamededdy what the point in asking that question (reminder: "What's wrong with pointing out that the character isn't good looking?" when he already seemed to assert, in his previous sentence (reminder: "Nothing at all." (reminder, in response to: "What's wrong with a character that isn't good-looking?")) that there wasn't anything wrong with a character that wasn't good-looking. So again, I ask, what's the point? (hint: there's either none, or he was being insincere*)



* not expressing genuine feelings.

I'd point out a number of gaffes I think you made in interpreting akidnamededdy's posts; like for instance, I didn't get any sense that his question you thought was rhetorical was in fact rhetorical; and stating a character is ugly need not necessarily mean one is questioning it so much as simply stating what they see (as far I can see, akidnamededdy did just that); and then no resultant contradiction existing; and any number of little erroneous follow-up assumptions and conclusions that spill out from there, on your part; but I'd just as soon let akidnamededdy hash that out further if necessary. I answered the questions you asked, and my answers seemed semi-satisfactory in that I didn't really get a hard objection to any of them, and then was linked to another thread without any commentary or inquiry. If you feel I misinterpreted the context of any of your questions, I'd suggest having another go at akidnamededdy's posts.

 

[Fried Food]

And nerds around the world wept for days.

 

[Pau]

Except, as I said earlier, there's a segment of opinions here, that think the male characters *and* the sexed up female characters in past and current games in this series look bad, simply on the basis of bad art. Are some people fine with how the characters look? Yes. Do some people think this character simply looks ugly? Yes. Like you said though, that's nothing that warrants any kind of mod action. The point is not everyone is singling out this character - again, some think ALL characters in this game comprise a poor art style - and these opinions are largely being ignored and lazily lumped in with or labeled as "would/would not" to feed an agenda. Context is important.

I don't know if I'd agree that those opinions are being ignored. No one is saying that everyone in this thread is posting the equivalent of would/would not. Just that the posts that do fall into that are just kind of like... really now?

And I'd agree that the Arkham games tend to just have bad character designs that fall into a weird uncanny valley.