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Nikita Klæstrup: Female empowerment or internalised sexism?

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What is exactly the point of discussion?

She wears sexy outfits in public events and she gets media attention for it. What's the deal? OP's article doesn't really explain the problem here.
 

kyser73

Member
Speaking solely from my privileged cisgendered white male perspective, that's some serious hate wank* material right there.

*Hot, but she has shitty politics, so you kinda hate yourself for it.

For those thinking Danish conservatives will be left of the GOP...not in all issues. They're very much left (US version) when it comes to things like socialised health & education, but ask them about immigration or Islam and they start frothing at the mouth.
 
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The story behind that gif? Haha

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markot

Banned
This judgmental bullshit needs to die off.

Why?

Whats wrong with judging?

Im judging a choice she made, not her as a person.

If a man wore shorts and a singlet to an event like that, people would judge it too. If he wore a tux with a cut off to show off his abs? If he had an obviously fake wig? A ridiculous comb over? Went shoeless?

I think women have it harder because men have a uniform essentially in a tux. But that doesnt mean we cant judge choices people make.


'We cannot escape the fact that it sells. There is a natural focus on women's appearance. That's just how it is'

She wanted attention, she got it. But no one is focusing on anything but her appearance. To say we cant judge that is idiotic. This isnt a naive woman who was made to wear something. she chose to wear this for a reason, attention. And she got it.

But she isnt proving anything, she wasnt making a point. She just wanted people to notice her.

Thats not bad. But lets not pretend that it is something we cant judge, or say that a dress or item of clothing isnt appropriate.
 

foxtrot3d

Banned

She's got my vote!

j/k policy trumps looks

Anywho, I don't think it is wrong for her to wear a dress like that looks are very important for a politician both male and female. And every little advantage helps gain voters, do people forget this:

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You think that wasn't staged or intentional?
 
What is exactly the point of discussion?

She wears sexy outfits in public events and she gets media attention for it. What's the deal? OP's article doesn't really explain the problem here.

Because her looks influence things that shouldn't be influenced by physical attractiveness.

It's the same problem that John Oliver did his segment about electing judges but with sex appeal instead of money.
 

markot

Banned
She's got my vote!

j/k policy trumps looks

Anywho, I don't think it is wrong for her to wear a dress like that looks are very important for a politician both male and female. And every little advantage helps gain voters, do people forget this:

barack-obama-on-beach-in-hawaii-4.jpg


You think that wasn't staged or intentional?

Yes. People never go topless at a beach.

I mean, when do you see shirtless guys at a beach?
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
Yes. People never go topless at a beach.

I mean, when do you see shirtless guys at a beach?

Yes, because a presidential candidate (during election season) just happened to go on vacation to a public beach so all the press could take pictures of him and his family. Nope, no ulterior motives at play here.
 
The problem is do you want empowerment to come from policy or attractiveness

Because her looks influence things that shouldn't be influenced by physical attractiveness.

It's the same problem that John Oliver did his segment about electing judges but with sex appeal instead of money.

But doesn't the article states that the attention for her attractivity didn't help her political career?

And not even sure how if I like the idea that whatever women do it's not just for them but they are doing it in the name of all women/feminism/etc. The quote in the last sentence of the article even implies that she is just doing it for getting somekind of attention.
 
I am not brave enough to wear that kind of dress. I would need at least 5 rolls of boob tape to make sure there is no nip-slip, before I ever left the house.
 

markot

Banned
Yes, because a presidential candidate (during election season) just happened to go on vacation to a public beach so all the press could take pictures of him and his family. Nope, no ulterior motives at play here.

.... Was he wearing a thong?

He was a politician running for office. (Media 24/7)
He was at a public beach. (Why shouldnt he be? He should go to private beaches?)
They were taking pictures? (Thats all they do)

Call me when Obama comes in wearing a tux that shows off his midriff at an official function. Then we can start comparing.

Yes, attractiveness is a positive. But theres a difference between flaunting it and not. Going to a beach shirtless with your family isnt flaunting your body. Its what thousands of families do every day.
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
.... Was he wearing a thong?

He was a politician running for office. (Media 24/7)
He was at a public beach. (Why shouldnt he be? He should go to private beaches?)
They were taking pictures? (Thats all they do)

Call me when Obama comes in wearing a tux that shows off his midriff at an official function. Then we can start comparing.

Yes, attractiveness is a positive. But theres a difference between flaunting it and not. Going to a beach shirtless with your family isnt flaunting your body. Its what thousands of families do every day.

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Why would a man wear a thong? I really have no words if you don't see the difference between how men and women flaunt their bodies and attractiveness. That picture was a news story for days when it came out and increased his favor with female voters.
 

markot

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Why would a man wear a thong? I really have no words if you don't see the difference between how men and women flaunt their bodies and attractiveness. That picture was a news story for days when it came out and increased his favor with female voters.

Because a thong would be inappropriate. He was wearing long shorts to the beach.
She was wearing this dress to an official function.

One person is advertising their attractiveness using clothes designed to do that. The other is wearing shorts to the beach.

If she wore a bikini to the beach, it wouldnt be a story. Most women do that, its appropriate.

I doubt it was staged, the dude went to a beach, the media were there. Should he have worn a burka?

Theres a difference between:
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(Where are your eyes drawn? And thats why she wore it, hell the chick in green could have been a gorilla and most men wouldnt have noticed)
 
Because a thong would be inappropriate. He was wearing long shorts to the beach.
She was wearing this dress to an official function.

One person is advertising their attractiveness using clothes designed to do that. The other is wearing shorts to the beach.

If she wore a bikini to the beach, it wouldnt be a story. Most women do that, its appropriate.

I doubt it was staged, the dude went to a beach, the media were there. Should he have worn a burka?

Theres a difference between:
5N9Sm9O.jpg

(Where are your eyes drawn? And thats why she wore it, hell the chick in green could have been a gorilla and most men wouldnt have noticed)

the chick in green reminds me a bit of allison pill :O
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
Because a thong would be inappropriate. He was wearing long shorts to the beach.
She was wearing this dress to an official function.

One person is advertising their attractiveness using clothes designed to do that. The other is wearing shorts to the beach.

If she wore a bikini to the beach, it wouldnt be a story. Most women do that, its appropriate.

I doubt it was staged, the dude went to a beach, the media were there. Should he have worn a burka?

Dear God, you don't get it. First, she was wearing a formal dress that showed cleavage, the dress was entirely appropriate. If she was wearing a thong and bra too the function that would be different. Second, what the hell do you think people are looking at in that Obama picture, his shorts? They are looking at his shirtless chest and abs, he didn't go topless on the beach because "that's what you do." He did it precisely because he knows he's got a decent enough body and that it will play well with the press. Let me ask you this, in all the time since that photo Obama has routinely gone to Hawaii (his home state) to vacation with his family yet have you ever seen any other shirtless Obama beach pics? The answer is no.

In fact, here's a picture of him post-election on vacation with his family:
obama-on-beach.jpg


That's right, he's wearing a shirt because the election politics are over and there's no need to play that card again. I just can't understand how naive you have to be to not understand that NOTHING a presidential candidate, or any serious politician for that matter, is spontaneous or done without deliberate precision. Do you think when the walk into restaurants to get some food and take pictures with all the customers and staff that wasn't planned weeks in advance?

The Obama beach pic is the EXACT equivalent to the dress cleavage picture, both of them know exactly what they are doing and know it plays well with voters. It's all apart of the political game, like how male politicians in American roll up their sleeves when they speak in rural areas so as to make it look like they're just a working guy. The fact that there is this huge controversy because a women is playing the same game says something.

EDIT:

Actually I did some rechecking, turns out that photo with him at the beach with his shirt on is part of another vacation prior to the 2008 DNC. I actually cannot find a single beach vacation photo of Obama after his election despite that he has taken one every year.
 

Christine

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I find this really hard to take seriously. It may be that I am misunderstanding something, either because English isn't my native language, or because it's late and I had a hard day at work, or because I simply don't possess the intellect needed to grasp what she's trying to say. Does she really mean to imply that a woman faces a lose lose situation, whether she dresses moderately or provocatively, no matter what? If this is true, why is no one talking negatively about any of other women who attended this event, and didn't dress like Nikita Klæstrup?

A woman can absolutely be affected negatively in her career by dressing "too" modestly. The relevant comparison is not the wardrobe choice Klæstrup made vs that of the other women in attendance, but the fact that there exists no remotely comparable choice for the men.

One of these is not the same as the others... I refuse to feel bad about myself for evaluating or commenting on anyone, or anything, be they man, woman, dog or inanimate object, unless it's done in a manner which is directly hurtful to the person at hand. I consider that to be my prerogative as a free thinking being with a mind of my own. Obviously I will not go up to people and start commenting on anything about them. I will evaluate them in my mind though, just like every single person I see, whether they are Nikita Klæstrup who wore a sexy dress to a political event (of sorts), or just a random person walking past me in the city on my way to work. I might comment on them to a friend or something. None of these mean that I feel I have the right to control anyones body but my own. I don't see the correlation.

You've described an escalation here, albeit in negative terms of "I wouldn't do this", but there are people who would, and they form part of the social environment. You're not being asked to refrain from private evaluation, just perhaps to incorporate the knowledge of that environment into such judgment.

The logic of a rapist and some extremely socially conservative people maybe.

When taken to its furthest extent, possibly. But you might be surprised at what you find if you look.
 

Dice//

Banned
It's a nice outfit, but very exhibitionist for a formal event (Proving the point: Half of Gaf seems too distracted to answer properly or very thoroughly :p ).

I'd wear that at the club or something; but I usually respect a dress code or whatever standards for the night. Showing skin for attention seems foolish like an all too easy way to get attention (or worse, a good way to get the wrong kind of attention).

Don't get me wrong, it's a sexy outfit, and she looks very pretty; but it definitely makes [me] question whether it's for empowerment or institutionalized sexism (...or both... or neither).
 

Fugu

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I find this really hard to take seriously. It may be that I am misunderstanding something, either because English isn't my native language, or because it's late and I had a hard day at work, or because I simply don't possess the intellect needed to grasp what she's trying to say. Does she really mean to imply that a woman faces a lose lose situation, whether she dresses moderately or provocatively, no matter what? If this is true, why is no one talking negatively about any of other women who attended this event, and didn't dress like Nikita Klæstrup?
More specifically she's saying that a woman who does not weaponize her sex appeal runs the risk of being outdone by those who do and that a woman who does will invariably be scrutinized for weaponizing their sex appeal and for playing into negative aspects of the patriarchy. Furthermore, she's saying that women with sex appeal are inevitably either scrutinized for their perceived sluttiness or their perceived prudeness depending on how they act.

One of these is not the same as the others... I refuse to feel bad about myself for evaluating or commenting on anyone, or anything, be they man, woman, dog or inanimate object, unless it's done in a manner which is directly hurtful to the person at hand. I consider that to be my prerogative as a free thinking being with a mind of my own. Obviously I will not go up to people and start commenting on anything about them. I will evaluate them in my mind though, just like every single person I see, whether they are Nikita Klæstrup who wore a sexy dress to a political event (of sorts), or just a random person walking past me in the city on my way to work. I might comment on them to a friend or something. None of these mean that I feel I have the right to control anyones body but my own. I don't see the correlation.
The issue, as far as she’s concerned, is that women aren't alloted any scrutiny or fairness when people judge their bodies. There isn't the requisite commentary that it's a shallow thing to do.

EDIT: For what it's worth, I think the dress is fine; you can't blame a woman for playing by the fucked up rules when the alternatives are (generally) marginalization or protesting in hopes of a drastically different future.
 

kyser73

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Yes, because a presidential candidate (during election season) just happened to go on vacation to a public beach so all the press could take pictures of him and his family. Nope, no ulterior motives at play here.

Hey if you had a political system that wasn't so heavily focused on image the ulterior motive wouldn't need to be there in the first place.
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
Hey if you had a political system that wasn't so heavily focused on image the ulterior motive wouldn't need to be there in the first place.

What actual democratic political system in the world doesn't involve a focus on image? Hell, even autocratic regimes understand the importance of image. Image became important the minute the television became prevalent, before that politicians didn't have to worry so much about looks and charisma. Now, it's a requirement.
 

markot

Banned
Dear God, you don't get it. First, she was wearing a formal dress that showed cleavage, the dress was entirely appropriate. If she was wearing a thong and bra too the function that would be different. Second, what the hell do you think people are looking at in that Obama picture, his shorts? They are looking at his shirtless chest and abs, he didn't go topless on the beach because "that's what you do." He did it precisely because he knows he's got a decent enough body and that it will play well with the press. Let me ask you this, in all the time since that photo Obama has routinely gone to Hawaii (his home state) to vacation with his family yet have you ever seen any other shirtless Obama beach pics? The answer is no.

In fact, here's a picture of him post-election on vacation with his family:
obama-on-beach.jpg


That's right, he's wearing a shirt because the election politics are over and there's no need to play that card again. I just can't understand how naive you have to be to not understand that NOTHING a presidential candidate, or any serious politician for that matter, is spontaneous or done without deliberate precision. Do you think when the walk into restaurants to get some food and take pictures with all the customers and staff that wasn't planned weeks in advance?

The Obama beach pic is the EXACT equivalent to the dress cleavage picture, both of them know exactly what they are doing and know it plays well with voters. It's all apart of the political game, like how male politicians in American roll up their sleeves when they speak in rural areas so as to make it look like they're just a working guy. The fact that there is this huge controversy because a women is playing the same game says something.

EDIT:

Actually I did some rechecking, turns out that photo with him at the beach with his shirt on is part of another vacation prior to the 2008 DNC. I actually cannot find a single beach vacation photo of Obama after his election despite that he has taken one every year.

A: No. Thats not clevage, that under boobage. Clevage is on top. It wasnt appropriate and was worn for a reason, attention.
B: He was in the water, people take their shirt off to go in the water.... I dont focus on photos of Obama that much, so I cant say. Was he ever in the water wearing a shirt? Walking next to the water doesnt count.
C: Yes, they do things spontaneously, they are human. There is a huge difference between going shirtless at a pool or beach, and wearing something like this to a formal affair.
D: Its not the exact equivalent because the purposes were different. One wanted attention. One was already getting it.
E: Obama worse Mom jeans once. He knew the cameras were there, it got attention. Except in that case I think he wasnt anticipating it. But if he came out for a bowling session, even dressed in a tux, people would comment. There is a difference between opaque attempts to appeal to sex, and being shirtless at the beach. Find me a picture of Obama flexing on the beach in a speedo, and that is the equivalent of what we see here. They are naked (heh) attempts to gain attention based on sexxxxxx.
 
No one posted the Reddit kinda NSFW album of all her modeling pictures ? Is it okay to post it here ? Just the link I mean. You know. For better understanding of Danish politics
 

Philippo

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I know of Italian politicians who got elected based on their looks [/B](please bring up more examples you know of), but I've never seen anything like that in countries whose political climate is timid, "low-testosterone".

What? Does anyone consider any italian politician hot? I could probably count 1.

No one posted the Reddit kinda NSFW album of all her modeling pictures ? Is it okay to post it here ? Just the link I mean. You know. For better understanding of Danish politics

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No one posted the Reddit kinda NSFW album of all her modeling pictures ? Is it okay to post it here ? Just the link I mean. You know. For better understanding of Danish politics

It's so airbrushed it sucks honestly. And please don't sharp knees me gaf, you'll understand when you see it.
 

Trickster

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Because a thong would be inappropriate. He was wearing long shorts to the beach.
She was wearing this dress to an official function.

One person is advertising their attractiveness using clothes designed to do that. The other is wearing shorts to the beach.

If she wore a bikini to the beach, it wouldnt be a story. Most women do that, its appropriate.

I doubt it was staged, the dude went to a beach, the media were there. Should he have worn a burka?

Theres a difference between:
5N9Sm9O.jpg

(Where are your eyes drawn? And thats why she wore it, hell the chick in green could have been a gorilla and most men wouldnt have noticed)

I just wanna ask if you even realize that both women show pretty much the same amount of boob/skin in that photo, yet you seem to only have an issue with one of them, why is that?
 
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