The last person who posted that got banned. I would take it down.
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Nikita Klæstrup: Female empowerment or internalised sexism?
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The last person who posted that got banned. I would take it down.
I don't know hour to explain this properly, bit the reason underboob cleavage is considered more lewd so to speak, is because as you can see on that picture, the breasts look a lot more "plump" and full, than in regular cleavage.
Broder Salsa
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CosmicGroinPull
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Man I could kiss you
You do know that the character in the image you posted is an botty lover?
Delta Assault
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It only took me 3 minutes of googling to find the album.
And it was well worth the effort.
And it was well worth the effort.
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Sorry. I'm not a mod. I didn't ban the other guy. Nudity is not allowed in the TOS, even if it's tagged NSFW/L. The mods don't like it, and the advertisers don't like it. If advertisers pull, then you get sketchy/worse ads.
I don't personally have a problem with the album, but someone does, and I was just trying to help someone not get banned.
Sexualization is in the eye of the beholder, and neopuritanism should stop trying to disguise itself as feminism and go die in a fire already.
She has all the right in the world to dress as however she wishes to, and yes, looks and the ability to cause attraction to the opposite sex is not shameful, nor degrading, nor "unfair", it is just a personal trait like any other.
She has all the right in the world to dress as however she wishes to, and yes, looks and the ability to cause attraction to the opposite sex is not shameful, nor degrading, nor "unfair", it is just a personal trait like any other.
Atraveller
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I doubt that would turn people on.
Broder Salsa
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Trickster
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These look plenty "plump" despite being regular cleavage though
I dunno, I feel it's silly putting something like this under a lens and try to stir up controversy about it. She's not showing off more skin that a lot of other women in dresses do, it's not see-through, it's not some crazy over the top haute couture design. So really, what is the big deal, ya know?
The difference to me is that traditional cleavage can be presented via a myriad of supporting garments. To achieve the effect in the OP requires a tremendous set of bangers, first and foremost. There is no upside-down wonderbra.
Arkos
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These look plenty "plump" despite being regular cleavage though
I dunno, I feel it's silly putting something like this under a lens and try to stir up controversy about it. She's not showing off more skin that a lot of other women in dresses do, it's not see-through, it's not some crazy over the top haute couture design. So really, what is the big deal, ya know?
Merkel can get it
John Dunbar
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girls' night out indeed.
hobblygobbly
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Isn't this what the v-neck movement has been trying to accomplish with quite outrageous v-necks? Ones that come down to the end of the sternum.
You should check out Rick Owens catwalk from a recent fashion show this year.
Hoya Destroyer
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Wow. Most beautiful politician ever.
Even amongst Playmates, she would be top tier.
Even amongst Playmates, she would be top tier.
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That's the whole reason why it's internalised sexism, though. The general media, because of entrenched sexism, will give a lot of attention to a woman who flaunts cleavage. Klaestrup knows that the media will do this. She also knows she stands to gain personally from attention. She therefore flaunts her cleavage. The net result is that she personally benefits, but the media are legitimised in their position because a woman is now directly playing to their pandering. Because the media have been further legitimised, their current positions, which are sexist, become even more entrenched. Klaestrup also knows this. Therefore, Klaestrup has knowingly aided sexist institutions for personal gain. That's pretty clearly internalised sexism.
Sadly, it also works, judging by the shameless thirst in this thread.
Stereogatari
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Theres a difference between:
Here's a good question. If the dresses were swapped, would the eyes still be drawn to the prettier girl?
Any photoshop wizards out there willing to help?
People use their appearance for their advantage all the time especially publich figures and regardless of whether they are men or women. She's completely aware of what she's doing and it would work even without the extra focus from the media (though that helps, of course).
At the same time, the Media don't get their legitimisation from Klaestrup. They sell copies/clicks regardless of wether the attractive woman wants to be noticed for her looks.
Which is why I said: i don't see the sexism in a woman flaunting her good looks for attention.
But i doubt i'd take newspapers seriously that has articles about "the election babe".
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There are clear bounds to this, though. Obviously any public figure's looks will be a part of their perception. However, there are still some social norms governing the bounds to which they can manipulate this. A clean-cut, well-shaven politician in his early 40s with dark hair and well-fitting tuxedo will probably do better than a whiskered chubster falling prey to the depredations of age. However, the first example here is not breaking particular social conventions or norms purely for the purpose of high-lighting his attractiveness. It's unfortunate that this comes into play, but being judged on attractiveness here is passive: as the person being judged, there is little you can do about it.
In contrast, Klaestrup has deliberately decided to break social conventions by wearing an outfit that is not normally seen in this sort of environment. If she was just going for "I want to generally appear attractive" instead of "I want my attractiveness to be the main thing people focus on", she would have worn something like the girl in the green to her left wore. Instead, she is making being judged on attractiveness active: she is deliberately trying to draw attention to her features.
Wrong. Look how many desperate GAFers in this thread who have made comments along the lines of "dam those gosh darn titties there" and immediately proceeded to try and find the imgur album of her being even more scantily clad. Newspapers will have gained far more clicks from this than they would had Klaestrup dressed like the girl to her left, and more clicks means more ad revenue. The fact they get more money from it is why they feel legitimised in focusing on acts like Klaestrup's.
More importantly, I take Klaestrup less seriously because of it, in much the same way that I take Tony Abbott less seriously because of his ridiculous shots in Speedos.
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The Everyman
Bingo.
You want sexism? Check out all the folks that assume she's being exhibitionist on the front page.
Kind of proving my point here:
These look plenty "plump" despite being regular cleavage though
This picture of Merkel got plenty of attention too.
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The Everyman
So your first assumption is that she's a malicious temptress because she wore a sexy dress. Am I understanding you correctly?
SolidusDave
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What picture are you talking about? There were never any pictures here
I don't get it, why was that imgur album link and the comments to it removed?
Was that an attempt to not have people sexualize her? Because that didn't seem to have to worked...
(especially when the very news is about her being attractive and having no problem showing it)
hot album though
hydrophilic attack
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I mean, it's not like she's in a photoshoot to boast her guns like Paul Ryan. Republicans desperate for that lady vote.
Dem chicken legs
Politicans that overtly pander to the media are rarely worth listening to, i agree. But getting attention as a young politician is also difficult and i'm way less annoyed by a bit of cleavage than the extremist nonsense politicians my age usually shout to get it.
DoktorEvil
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It's a really elegant dress and it fits her figure well, but of course a young woman wearing an unconventional & daresay provocative dress to a political function means she's in the patriarchal trap.
Good lord.
Good lord.
I'm pretty much convinced that women in politics are going to have their appearances commented on entirely too often, regardless of what they look like. From this woman, to Palin, to Hillary.
The little blurb on the "patriarchal bargain" posted a ways back was interesting. I certainly play that game, and the majority of women I know do too, to some extent. If this politician can use her attractiveness as a weapon, that's a smart move. She would be foolish to not capitalize on that.
The little blurb on the "patriarchal bargain" posted a ways back was interesting. I certainly play that game, and the majority of women I know do too, to some extent. If this politician can use her attractiveness as a weapon, that's a smart move. She would be foolish to not capitalize on that.
This is a great point, I agree.
Arjen
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Even if she uses her attractiveness for political gain, how is that different than using your relgion/ family values/ whatever. Tons of politicans use certain things to appeal to a certain demographic that have nothing to do with policy of their political party.
It's a good thing polticians are getting more diverse.
It's a good thing polticians are getting more diverse.
Messofanego
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Yeah, whatever positive quality you have, you'll use it. If she's an amazing politician, then she's proven yet again you can have both looks and brains on your side. It's the media's fault for banging on about that aspect in a reactionary manner and not paying attention to this politician's policies or views.
So what if she uses he looks to get attention for her politics? That's smart, and as others have said it's no different than using religion or moral values to appeal to people.
You're crazy.
You're crazy.
BrassDragon
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I don't care if you look like Churchill or Catherine the Great, just have some integrity, loyalty and leave society a little better than you found it.
DoktorEvil
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In a business class that I just finished, a professor showed us a video on body language and the difference from Hilary pre-politician and Hilary during her run and after her run showed us that she toned her voice down and her voice & demeanor went from soft spoken to gruff and demanding because of how well voters respond to powerful looking women, one of those qualities being a deeper voice.
More women exploiting their sexuality to gain an advantage in the political arena would merely be par for the course IMO. Any politician would use whatever tools necessary to get elected, including switching parties, dying their hair, or changing their appearance and hiring certain speechwriters that make them sounds more emphatic to their constituents. It's merely another distraction in a field full of distractions.
Dear God, you don't get it. First, she was wearing a formal dress that showed cleavage, the dress was entirely appropriate. If she was wearing a thong and bra too the function that would be different. Second, what the hell do you think people are looking at in that Obama picture, his shorts? They are looking at his shirtless chest and abs, he didn't go topless on the beach because "that's what you do." He did it precisely because he knows he's got a decent enough body and that it will play well with the press. Let me ask you this, in all the time since that photo Obama has routinely gone to Hawaii (his home state) to vacation with his family yet have you ever seen any other shirtless Obama beach pics? The answer is no.
In fact, here's a picture of him post-election on vacation with his family:
That's right, he's wearing a shirt because the election politics are over and there's no need to play that card again. I just can't understand how naive you have to be to not understand that NOTHING a presidential candidate, or any serious politician for that matter, is spontaneous or done without deliberate precision. Do you think when the walk into restaurants to get some food and take pictures with all the customers and staff that wasn't planned weeks in advance?
The Obama beach pic is the EXACT equivalent to the dress cleavage picture, both of them know exactly what they are doing and know it plays well with voters. It's all apart of the political game, like how male politicians in American roll up their sleeves when they speak in rural areas so as to make it look like they're just a working guy. The fact that there is this huge controversy because a women is playing the same game says something.
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Actually I did some rechecking, turns out that photo with him at the beach with his shirt on is part of another vacation prior to the 2008 DNC. I actually cannot find a single beach vacation photo of Obama after his election despite that he has taken one every year.
or he could be wearing a shirt because he's not going into the ocean which is obvious by his and his daughters' clothing. you know, shit millions of other normal people do
and since you seem so interested in obama's bod, here's one from 2010
PK Strawstorm
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I don't think the internet is going to be happy until everyone wears genderless bodysuits. That is not the world I want to live in.
I wish a girl or guy could just wear something that looks good without the internet trying to figure out (sic arbitrarily deciding) what is wrong with society that we think it looks good.
Where are the articles positing theories that flaunting sexuality in this manner could demonstrate something good about society? I don't know if there's a compelling conclusion there, but I feel like those who do consider that angle are immediately labeled misogynist. The internet - on all issues - seems to be fostering a sort of communal authoritarianism which only allows space for extreme opinions, thus over-reactive feminism on one side and GamerGate type movements on the other.
I think the internet has a great role to play in knowledge, but I think we are failing to teach critical analysis in a way that gives the masses an appropriate understanding of how to progressively harness that power. Governments, I'm sure, are satisfied with this outcome. BOOBIES
I wish a girl or guy could just wear something that looks good without the internet trying to figure out (sic arbitrarily deciding) what is wrong with society that we think it looks good.
Where are the articles positing theories that flaunting sexuality in this manner could demonstrate something good about society? I don't know if there's a compelling conclusion there, but I feel like those who do consider that angle are immediately labeled misogynist. The internet - on all issues - seems to be fostering a sort of communal authoritarianism which only allows space for extreme opinions, thus over-reactive feminism on one side and GamerGate type movements on the other.
I think the internet has a great role to play in knowledge, but I think we are failing to teach critical analysis in a way that gives the masses an appropriate understanding of how to progressively harness that power. Governments, I'm sure, are satisfied with this outcome. BOOBIES
Stereogatari
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I think those that are most vocal about it are jealous types...either jealous they aren't a girl like that or jealous they don't have a girl like that...Or maybe I'm just projecting loool.
I mean, it's not like she's in a photoshoot to boast her guns like Paul Ryan. Republicans desperate for that lady vote.
I always thought this was supposed to be a self-aware "lol i'm being a bro" picture. I may just be giving him too much credit.
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No. I'm fine with people wearing sexy dresses in suitable contexts for sexy dresses - hell, I positively enjoy it. If she wears this to a bar, night club, my house next Tuesday, I'm cool with that. What I am saying is that using a dress with the deliberate intent of making your sensuality your key feature at an event where your political opinions are supposed to be your key feature should not be regarded as a good thing. I'd levy equal criticism at Obama if he turned up at the next Democratic conference wearing an open collar shirt unbuttoned to reveal his toned pectorals, because that would then dominate the media instead of whatever set of policies he was proposing.
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