That's really interesting! I thought it would be the opposite, as women in power are more likely to be seen as abrasive (as opposed to men, who tend to be seen as "assertive," instead). I've heard Hillary receive flack before for being too harsh and "bitchy."
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Nikita Klæstrup: Female empowerment or internalised sexism?
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That's really interesting! I thought it would be the opposite, as women in power are more likely to be seen as abrasive (as opposed to men, who tend to be seen as "assertive," instead). I've heard Hillary receive flack before for being too harsh and "bitchy."
DoktorEvil
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A very vocal minority is crowding social media to appear larger then they really are and are imprinting their values onto others just to reinforce the echo chamber.
Here's the links. It's pretty interesting to see how much she changed from pre-scandal to post-scandal.
http://www.history.com/videos/secrets-of-body-language-part-1
http://www.history.com/videos/secrets-of-body-language-part-2
Maybe the votes sentiment has changed since her campaign days(most likely) but her changing her appearance helped her win the NY Senate and move into the Sec. of State job.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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I mean, it's not like she's in a photoshoot to boast her guns like Paul Ryan. Republicans desperate for that lady vote.
"What are those? Five pounds?"
"Two and a half. I'm going for tone, not bulk."
I'm sure there's a wide variety of differences in reactions based on your age and other demographics. I, personally, really hate vocal fry; I don't think it's an indicator of a woman or man being stupid or anything like that, but personally it really grates on me. But there have been studies that show I'm in the minority; people my age are more likely to associate vocal fry with intelligence and education, whereas there have been lots of more general studies that show negative associations akin to how people regard valley girls.
So it's possible Hillary's more demure approach might work better for some people, and a more on point one works for others. Personally, I like people who speak their mind, but can do so civilly and without name-calling; other people might like more firebrand personalities. There's a whole lot that goes into it besides sexism or gender norms, though they can certainly be a factor.
DoktorEvil
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Fucking really?
There's nothing I hate more than vocal fry and people give me shit for having a New York accent.
Edit: I"m not the only one too.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=828307&highlight=vocal+fry
Arjen
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And who decides what is appropriate for what ocassion?
Seems this was a celebration aka a party, so if it was held at a nightclub it would have been ok?
The Purple Pill
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She's pulling it off with great style, stunning dress, while being quite beautiful.
As a fellow Dane, it seems, Danish politics just got better.
Also her Instagram profile has been booming with new followers, too, so in a political way it's working excellent.
Also seems like, her fame is spreading like wildfire, now.
As a fellow Dane, it seems, Danish politics just got better.
Also her Instagram profile has been booming with new followers, too, so in a political way it's working excellent.
Also seems like, her fame is spreading like wildfire, now.
More concerning to me is the argument that they're just setting a trend: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/s...rs-in-vocal-patterns.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
They had a This American Life story about it a few weeks back too. There's some interesting stuff going on under the surface about people who claim it's used as a way of putting down women or just another example of people trying to muster linguistic superiority, things like that. Mostly it just reminded me of why I can't listen to Ira Glass for long periods of time. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/rad...-have-anything-nice-to-say-say-it-in-all-caps
The whole idea of what are ingrained vocal tics versus put-on affections versus affections you aren't even aware you're using is really interesting to me. Kind of getting out of the topic of this thread, but I think there's an intersection of "appropriateness" and how we sort of expect people to take on different roles in different spheres.
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Common sense should do a relatively good job here. Something along the line of "does this event take place within an explicitly political sphere y/n".
If you've ever been to similar events, you'll know they're not parties in the truest sense of the word. At least in the UK, they're an opportunity for young would-be politicians to network themselves into junior positions; it's wine and dine. No raves here.
You might do it more often than you realize. I know as soon as I'm expressly mindful of how often I say filler "likes" and "ums" it becomes heavily apparent to me
Language is like anything else, most of the time you're not thinking about how you say something and so you can let "lazy" habits crop up.Is that a seal of approval?
DoktorEvil
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More affectionately known as Valley Girl talk or Long Island talk, it's a common way of speaking for many young 20-something, coastal female Americans. With it comes the supposed pretension of intelligence and education and worldly travels, but all I hear is a woman that sound like a smoker with a voice box.
Coming back to the politicians and women topic, if voters respond well in general to that type of voice, you can bet that most female campaigners will incorporate it into their campaign to solicit votes and work with linguists/speechwriters to perfect it.
Choosing a politicians nowadays is like choosing a celebrity you follow. Rarely do voters actually look at the initiatives that the campaigners throw their name behind or their voting record.
Look up uptalk. That's something I think most young people do in bouts of insecurity.
Arjen
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It's a horrible dress for a rave, no place to hide your molly
I think that people should feel free to dress how they like, but I wouldn't consider this to be a demonstration of empowerment. She's receiving attention due to the dress, sure, but it's a specific and limited type of attention. People are not talking about her politics. They're talking about how pretty she looks. The only power here, is the same (limited) power that women have had for centuries: Look sexy and people will want you.
With a face and body like that, people would've paid more attention to her looks rather than her political views anyway.
ActuallyHulk
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I wish her well in her political career and I now own an Instagram account.
This American Life had a podcast with a segment on it recently. They discovered that all of them do it.
taking this photo as an example from the article
why is the normal V neck design like the girl on the right normal and not particularly exotic, yet the /\ design from the girl in the black dress gets lots of attention? Both show lots of cleavage.
if it was exactly the same cut but the other way round, nobody would have said anything
why is the normal V neck design like the girl on the right normal and not particularly exotic, yet the /\ design from the girl in the black dress gets lots of attention? Both show lots of cleavage.
if it was exactly the same cut but the other way round, nobody would have said anything
One totally shows the fulsome shape of a fabulous pair of breasts, the other shows very little other than plain skin. Cleavage is ten-a-penny but to get a view like there is on the left, you usually need to be looking at a naked woman.
There's more implied honesty in the underboob boobs too. Sure, they'll head east and west once the dress comes off, but there's nowhere near the potential for 'where the fuck did they go?!' that an underwired and padded bra offers.
Edit: Also, as your edited photo shows, the young lady on the right just ain't packing the kind of melons to compete with Nikita's funbags.
DoktorEvil
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Which design intentionally draws attention to the cleavage more?
It's similar to the recent trend of sweaters with a boob window: It's a new take on a tired design.
True Savior
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That is one very beautiful woman.
oh I know, just an example. Even if you found a similarly proportioned set of boobs, underboob would attract more attention.
I think partly its just rarer, therefore catches the eye. Plus of course underboob is just the best thing ever.
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Both of them are hot.
If there was more hot females in politics is be more interested.
If there was more hot females in politics is be more interested.
Not to mention the sweatiest!
Where is this trend and, more importantly, why am I not there?
That's why she's wearing that dress, clearly.
It's not a voyeur-window, it's an air vent.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Man, she's gorgeous.
No clue what her political stances are though.
No clue what her political stances are though.
Oveja Negra
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She looks fabulantastic.
Beautiful face + amazing pair of melons + sexy dress = hnnnnnnnnnnngggg
Beautiful face + amazing pair of melons + sexy dress = hnnnnnnnnnnngggg
JoeyJungle
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I feel deceived.
QuicheFontaine
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Her boobs?
Like Michael Scott says, you've got to let those things breathe.
AtomnayaKlubnika
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I mean, it's not like she's in a photoshoot to boast her guns like Paul Ryan. Republicans desperate for that lady vote.
Skipped legs day.
OrlanisWorks
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True. I think maybe I'll investigate a little to not be so shallow and only attracted to her physical appearance because my lord she a beauty.
Messofanego
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If all the media is going to report about her is her appearance, then I'm not surprised. I can't find anything. All I know is she studies rhetorics and is a student who wants to become a politician.
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the issue. She's a grown ass adult who wore what she wanted to an event where it wasn't forbidden by dress code or common sense. I mean its clear the outfit choice was probably some combination of "she thinks she looks good in it and likes it" and "she wants to garner attention" but I'm not seeing why that's a problem here. Once/if she ever runs for office, while I'm sure her beauty will be a hard attribute to miss, I'm sure the people of Denamrk will be voting based on whatever her platform may end up being and not just because she's attractive.
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