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[Vibed]

Really liking the idea of video chatting with people while playing games, now I just need to convince some friends IRL to buy the system so I'm not always talking to strangers.

 

[Protome]

What do you guys download that takes up that much space?

Retail games take up a bunch of space. Even a lot of download titles on PS3 are pretty huge. I hit my 160GB just by having PS+ for a few months.

 

[AzaK]

Nice show! So for extra dosh you get stands and memory. Personally 32GB seems too little for the "core" it's aimed at anyway. I'll get an HDD. Guess for small eshop downloads it could be handy not getting a big SD.

I was hoping for component cable cause I only have one HDMI slot and Apple TV owns that

And very cunning of black being more expensive. Get us nerds to fork out.

Overall I liked what I saw!

 

[GDGF]

32GB? REALLY?
Is Nintendo still refusing to take Digital Distribution remotely seriously?

They use non proprietary SD cards that are usually cheap as hell.

External HDD, too.

 

[dragonflys545]

What do you guys download that takes up that much space?

Full games.

 

[zroid]

Did people forget that they want Wii U to utilize external drives?

Apparently everyone has forgotten this :/

I already have like four 500GB hard drives just laying around, will need to get an enclosure for one, but those are pretty cheap.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

32GB? REALLY?
Is Nintendo still refusing to take Digital Distribution remotely seriously?

They're taking it serious in a non-serious way. At least they're allowing external HDDs where you can download stuff to.

 

[Kong]

32GB? REALLY?
Is Nintendo still refusing to take Digital Distribution remotely seriously?

Apparently not. Surely one could just get the cheaper version and then use SD cards like on the Wii?

 

[TheCongressman1]

Ok, so about the memory for the OS, is it possible that they will open up some of that later down the road for the games?

 

[whalleywhat]

What do you guys download that takes up that much space?

Games? My PSN games are mostly between 1 and 6GB.

 

[dwebo]

24gb of additional flash memory for $50, additional premium doodads notwithstanding, is downright generous compared to most consumer electronics

 

[pulga]

A good OS could do that in a lot less than 1GB. I don't people are expecting to have a dozen tabs open in their browser while in game.

Which is why Nintendo will probably optimize it and free up that 1GB for games, down the road.

 

[Protome]

Did people forget that they want Wii U to utilize external drives?

USB2 would create a horrible bottleneck and would run far slower than an internal HDD. So it's not a good solution.

 

[mr_toa]

Would games load slower on a USB 2.0 hard drive? What are the read speeds on those?

For what it's worth, I've noticed no particular problems installing and running X360 retail games from flash media.

 

[Ridley327]

Ok, so about the memory for the OS, is it possible that they will open up some of that later down the road for the games?

It's possible, yes; I believe that they've already shrunk down the 3DS OS memory footprint a bit.

 

[Infinite Justice]

LOL @ Fake Kaz

as for this i will wait for the NA prices before commenting further.

 

[Zenaku]

I don't see a problem with the storage. I'll use a 500GB external I have spare for everything, and save the 32GB for that special game, say, Monoliths RPG. I may even buy retail and digital together, so I can have the disc as well as have it installed on the SSD.

 

[saveweyard]

If a game download exceeds the 8 gigs that's on the stock Wii U (and there will be at launch, with games like Mass Effect 3), how would you be able to play them?

I guess you wouldn't be able to get the digital version then.

I'm holding out hope they allow you to play games installed on an external hard drive. If they do, it will make the decision of which model to buy very tough for me, as $50 for an extra 24 GB of on-board storage is not worth it; however, the premium also comes with that discount program, which may be worth it in the long-run. Also, black is better.

Decisions, decisions!

If they do allow games to be run off an external HDD, though, then piracy will be made even easier on the Wii U than on the Wii (where it is already very easy). Its the main reason I can think of for them not to allow it.

 

[NeoRausch]

Soooo... How long till the second jp. ND? I NEED TO CONTINUE MY MARATHON!

 

[OryoN]

It feels like $80 or so would have been more appropriate for the GamePad by itself, but over $150? Damn, that's way too expensive for a controller with a simple resistive screen, speakers, NFC, microphone, stylus, magnetic sensor, gyrosensor, acceleration sensor, wireless module, infared module, flash memory, codec, etc, etc, etc.

Fixed that for ya.

Seriously though, while I agree it's expensive, I'm sure Nintendo would have liked to have it cheaper. They already took steps to get it as cheap as possible, and people blamed them for cutting corners and/or being... err.. cheap.

That said, this controller is jam packed with more ICs and components than I cared to list. Below is an image from the Wii U Gamepad patent.

http://s.wiiugo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/wii-u-controller-patent-1.png

 

[Ydahs]

32GB? REALLY?
Is Nintendo still refusing to take Digital Distribution remotely seriously?

Both NSMBU and NintendoLand will be downloadable titles at launch, so they are taking it seriously. The issue is, they for some reason decided to allow external storage space rather than a large internal HDD.

I don't mind it personally, but it would have been nice to at least go 20GB/60GB.

 

[Nibel]

Everybody complains about 32GB and nobody knows how big some of the stuff is actually going to be

 

[AniHawk]

Soooo... How long till the second jp. ND? I NEED TO CONTINUE MY MARATHON!

6 hours

 

[zroid]

USB2 would create a horrible bottleneck and would run far slower than an internal HDD. So it's not a good solution.

Not really any slower than running off discs, however. It shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Charoncaori]

Everybody complains about 32GB and nobody knows how big some of the stuff is actually going to be

Well the game discs go up to 25gigs, I think.

I'm sure the launch titles won't be that big, though.

 

[nickcv]

Just because it's flash based doesn't mean it has SSD speeds. That requires a relatively expensive SSD controller and an array of flash chips. This is most likely a single flash chip with a simple interface, possibly even an internal USB stick like the Xbox 360 Arcade units use. Might have small advantages in random access, but overall a real SATA hard drive like the PS3 and 360 use would be much faster. Even external hard drives will be limited by USB2.0 speeds which max out around 30MBps.

while i do think that nintendo's own history proves that they always prefer faster memory, even if it's slower then a regular SATA it still not prone to break up as easily.

 

[NeoRausch]

6 hours

on the same second as the europe one? Dammit!

 

[brain_stew]

Which is why Nintendo will probably optimize it and free up that 1GB for games, down the road.

Eh yeah, that was my original point. No reason that all of that can't be done in 256MB.

 

[D_prOdigy]

USB2 would create a horrible bottleneck and would run far slower than an internal HDD. So it's not a good solution.

Can I play this game?

Internal HDDs are fragile and cumbersome, and breaking consoles down the road are worse than reaching into the drawer for that spare SD card you've got lying around.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

Everybody complains about 32GB and nobody knows how big some of the stuff is actually going to be

They're using a proprietary Blu-ray format (25GB disc), so...

You can imagine how big retail games will be like digitally.

 

[dr.yosh]

with 200 dollars I can buy the new iphone with new maps and connector. That's a deal nintendo!

 

[cajunator]

Retail games take up a bunch of space. Even a lot of download titles on PS3 are pretty huge. I hit my 160GB just by having PS+ for a few months.

I can understand downloadable content, but the whole downloading contents of a game disc onto the HDD seems like a waste. I know that annoyed me with Forza but not a lot of the games I have had to do it. Seems like something the huge games like Mass Effect and COD would require, but I dont play those. This amount of space should work pretty well for what I use it for. Ive been losing interest in gaming pretty steadily since it went beyond putting the disc in and just playing the games. Maybe Im just getting old and should go yell at clouds.

 

[Kong]

Both NSMBU and NintendoLand will be downloadable titles at launch, so they are taking it seriously. The issue is, they for some reason decided to allow external storage space rather than a large internal HDD.

I don't mind it personally, but it would have been nice to at least go 20GB/60GB.

I think the problem is that it implies Nintendo isn't changing their position on large game downloads though, correct?

 

[Instro]

Nice about the memory amount btw. It's also interesting that they directly referenced GPGPU, explains weak cpu.

 

[IrishNinja]

still wonder if we'll see an officially branded external HDD - 32 GB of SS is nice, but wont last, so there's one USB plug gone, heh

Those are confirmed to be a part of Nintendo Network

totally forgot this, nice! gonna check every OP for a hidden one now =)

Fake account :/

Spoiler

Ani knows; thatsthejoke.jpg

And I lost it here- You might think I'm angry that Vita is being hacked but really I'm just pleased someone other than Sony is developing something for Vita

Good stuff.

my favorite Vita one - "we can't drop the price of the Vita because of low sales resulting from the high price"

Stop being ANTI-SCRUB.

i admit; i paid my debts off, went full-time and started a savings, now i turn on my former people. by this time next year, ill be voting rethuglican

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

USB2 would create a horrible bottleneck and would run far slower than an internal HDD. So it's not a good solution.

I think it's still faster than running a game off of a disk.

 

[Protome]

Both NSMBU and NintendoLand will be downloadable titles at launch, so they are taking it seriously. The issue is, they for some reason decided to allow external storage space rather than a large internal HDD.

I don't mind it personally, but it would have been nice to at least go 20GB/60GB.

32GB really is not taking it seriously.
Maybe if they announce that you can shove an internal harddrive in there it'd make more sense, but as is Wii U is going to be abysmal for people who want to download their games.
I can't see this getting the support of the PS3 and 360, I mean people already complain about the file size limitations on 360.

 

[Mardak]

Wii U Basic - ~$250
-Wii U Console
-Wii U Gamepad ~$128
-Wii U AC Adapter
-Wii U Gamepad AC Adapter
-HDMI Cable
-White
-8 GB SSD

Wii U Premium - ~$300
-Wii U Console
-Wii U Gamepad
-Wii U AC Adapter
-Wii U Gamepad AC Adapter
-HDMI Cable
-Black
-32 GB SSD ~$14
-includes Nintendo Premium ~$15
-Wii U Console Stand ~$3
-Wii U Gamepad Charging Dock + Wii U Gamepad Stand ~$18

Added estimated/made-up US$ price and the incremental costs of Premium items.

Alternatively, if you assume everything added in the Premium package is free and the $50 extra is to cover the 10% digital discount, 10x $50 digital games and you really do get the extra storage, stands, black for free.

 

[Nibel]

Well the game discs go up to 25gigs, I think.

I'm sure the launch titles won't be that big, though.

Most of the PS3 games don't even fill up the 25GB discs

And damn, if you still live behind the moon: external HDDs should be in every household by now - heck, my uncle uses one for his table so that it stays horizontal :lol

Some of you make such a big thing out of storage it's unbelievable

 

[SolarPowered]

Well the game discs go up to 25gigs, I think.

I'm sure the launch titles won't be that big, though.

Yeah, it'll be a while before developers are seriously hindered by 25 gigs of optical storage. That is a huge amount of space to fill.

 

[ASIS]

How many events is Nintendo holding today?

 

[Principate]

32GB really is not taking it seriously.
Maybe if they announce that you can shove an internal harddrive in there it'd make more sense, but as is Wii U is going to be abysmal for people who want to download their games.
I can't see this getting the support of the PS3 and 360, I mean people already complain about the file size limitations on 360.

It accepts SD's and external hard drives what more do you want....

 

[zroid]

[redacted post]

ugh forget it, going to sleep

 

[pulga]

Eh yeah, that was my original point. No reason that all of that can't be done in 256MB.

Well we don't really know what kind of resources the OS needs to pull. All in all, 2GB is great news. Better more than less, right?

 

[Captain Smoker]

How many events is Nintendo holding today?

Nintendo of America Event

Nintendo of Europe Event

Japanese Software Event

 

[Kong]

It accepts SD's and external hard drives what more do you want....

A changed stance towards online distribution.

 

[IrishNinja]

Cheese says NSMBU and nintendoland are both physical and digital at launch....huh

if prices are the same, HDD size alone determines my vote, but honestly, ill prolly hit newegg for a good external USB to have on-hand

 

[brain_stew]

USB2 would create a horrible bottleneck and would run far slower than an internal HDD. So it's not a good solution.

A USB2.0 HDD is still going to be faster than optical media, with much better random access speeds. Should Nintendo have included at least one USB 3.0 slot? Absolutely. Is it an issue? No, not really.

 

[radioheadrule83]

USB2 would create a horrible bottleneck and would run far slower than an internal HDD. So it's not a good solution.

Absolute bollocks.

Slower than the 32gb of flash - possibly..
Bottleneck? No. Read speeds would be better than off a retail disc

 

[Charoncaori]

Nintendo of America Event

Nintendo of Europe Event

Japanese Software Event

And I think they're all at the same time, so you have to pick one. =D