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Nintendo E3 2012 Conference Thread
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I think it starts at 9, but the video is released later:
That evening the company will be hosting a behind closed doors Wii U developer roundtable. That takes place Tuesday, June 5 at 6:00 PM PT. (So... 2am in the UK. Good luck with that one!) Unlike the main conference, the Wii U showcase will not be live streamed - but we'll try to bring live updates via our Twitter accounts (see below for details) as the event unfolds.
(IGN)
That evening the company will be hosting a behind closed doors Wii U developer roundtable. That takes place Tuesday, June 5 at 6:00 PM PT. (So... 2am in the UK. Good luck with that one!) Unlike the main conference, the Wii U showcase will not be live streamed - but we'll try to bring live updates via our Twitter accounts (see below for details) as the event unfolds.
(IGN)
I like to wait for impressions from the showfloor, what's wrong with that? We already know of games that weren't shown at the conference because like every year they popped up on their website. Still surprised people (including the media) managed to forget this. I have never said I'm not expecting anything big, I'm just surprised E3 has boiled down to just the conferences now.
Not a trailer, but OoT3DS was shown later on at E3 2010.
AlphaTwo00
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So: Roundtable in half an hour (liveblogged), where the video then goes out 6 hours afterwards? Gotcha.
I guarantee you that you aren't any better. Don't act as if you've never judged something by looking at it. It's a casualfest based off the gameplay I saw. It's more suited to be a pack-in with each Wii U.
Wasn't the first concept art for Skyward Sword shown this way?
Talladega Knight
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yes
GrotesqueBeauty
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Ah, so people are banking on a "WTF, why didn't they show that during the conference?" moment. Knowing Nintendo it's not completely out of the question. Or maybe we're just deluding ourselves with false hope.
TheUnknownForce
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Some things to note from your impressions.
NSMBU will have Mii integration, but that's not the main pull anymore.
NSMB2 has local co-op and at least 1 multiplayer mode (StreetPass-based stuff, too)
They needed to discuss 3DS in some way or end up giving the "given up on 3DS" impression that we have with Sony and the PSVita. That and it showed three big games, too.
Not everyone has played the originals to the ports, but I do understand. If ShockingAlberto is correct, this game was meant to be Aliens, but because it was delayed into 2013, they pulled it from the show.
If you mean the Miiverse won't add to anything, then you assume the Wii U will just be about the controller? The fact Nintendo had a Nintendo Direct emphasizing the Miiverse tells me otherwise. And they did add their spin to it, with the Miis and the note-drawing and the like.
NintendoLand was arguably the worst presented part of the conference, which is why the show seems to appear poor to us. They should have just played that game rather than do a silly play-by-play. Eguchi has NEVER been a good presenter, which sucks. I think he last appeared in 2008 to promote Animal Crossing: City Folk. Yeah.
I think a lot of people are not really seeing that Nintendo is showing off the launch games and nothing else. That'd mean Pikmin 3, NSMBU, Wii Fit U, Lego City Stories, Project P-100, and Game & Wario before 2013. Not to mention Rayman Legends, ZombiU, and a few multiplat releases. To me, that's a solid release lineup. If they dared release a Zelda, 3D Mario, or more bigger franchises, it would eat third party game sales as well as lead to the dirth of software the Wii had later on.
Freezie KO
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You're echoing a lot of my sentiments. I don't think NSMB2 looks "bad," just uninspired. But I feel the same way about NSMB U. Pikmin 3 is the only thing that excites me at all.
Everything else is dead on. Particularly Nintendo's lack of direction. It's clear they want both the magic of Wii and the hardcore sales of 360. But they're not offering the plethora of games and features (whether technical or online) for the hardcore.
And they, frankly, don't have the magic bullet with a tablet controller. The tablet is just a dual analog pad that functions as a slightly worse DS screen, since it's not as close to the actual playing field, the TV.
Other fun stuff that you didn't mention:
- Yves Guillotine forced to thank Reggie on stage. Awkwardwtf
- Leaving out Platinum Games, but letting the Animal Crossing dev rattle on.
majortom1981
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I am pretty sure zelda skyward sword was first revealed at a round table at e3
Starphoenix
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Well, if the Wii U is not launching until holiday 2012, then that still leaves Tokyo Game Show and Nintendo Fall Summit (Space World) where we can see more from the Wii U.
Oh wow, concept art.
Concept art for some mysterious game will sure redeem for their shitty conference.
Also Miyamoto admitted to working on Pikmin 3
They also mentioned they were working on Pikmin 3 for the first time.
Anyway, shouldn't there be a thread for this?
majortom1981
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Portugeezer
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So true. Even teasing the next Zelda or Metroid would have been huge.
Where the fuck were Retro?
gamergirly
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Yup, the artwork that spawned the internet
IceDoesntHelp
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Link please?
Starphoenix
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So was he wrong? Or making things up? I'm not going to accuse him, but I'm not sure what is or was going on.
IceDoesntHelp
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Thank you very much.
Valjean Lafitte
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Now I'm confused. I thought the roundtable was coming up next, not the developer discussion.
After that, then what? No casual will give a $350 shit.
scottzorus
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I thought the same thing, but they both might be the same thing. Just we won't get a video of this discussion until later.
TheUnknownForce
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Saw that edit, but NSMBW and Wii Fit kept selling hella long past their release date. Just Dance, too.
On the note of your $350, I say $300 is much more likely.
I'm not saying he was wrong but I was just wondering if maybe he'd been around and spilled the beans after nothing new came out of the conference. He knows something and I want to know what it is
Starphoenix
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What I want to know is why is the roundtable going to be recorded and rebroadcast? Is there something significant being shown?
scottzorus
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AGITΩ;38579717 said:
The verge has a liveblog going
http://live.theverge.com/e3-2012-nintendo-wii-u-developer-discussion/
Portugeezer
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Nintendo Party.
Valjean Lafitte
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Well usually the roundtable involves Miyamoto and Takashi Tezuka. This sounds like it's just going to be Eguchi talking about the hardware, with little to no software info revealed.
IceDoesntHelp
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Lord_Byron28
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See I slowly am starting to feel better about the Wii U because I wasn't aware that it was a launch lineup only conference. That I believe was their biggest mistake.
Nintendoland wasn't their only major mistake. The fact that they dedicated so much time to a year old port of a game hyping it as a major game is also worrisome. Ubisoft's section was fairly useless simply because Ubisoft blew their load the day before. Also, quite simply Gaf isn't very excited when it comes to Legos and their casual software.
Now that I've calmed down a bit the lineup for 2012 is decent(assuming EA and Activision have a few titles yet to officially anounce) not that horrid for launch lineup. The problem was execution. The major problem was their time spent on various aspects(the Platinum games title should've been focused over Batman or cut into Nintendoland's time) and not fully communicating that it was only 2012 titles. I think Nintendo will do alright for itself but they definetly need to put on some major teasers/anouncements ffor 2013 come this fall before launch.
Fantastical
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These were my worst fears and I posted them in the Spec thread.
scottzorus
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I certainly hope so
Starphoenix
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I'm not saying he was wrong but I was just wondering if maybe he'd been around and spilled the beans after nothing new came out of the conference. He knows something and I want to know what it is
Ok, I was not sure what you were trying to indicate. Well, perhaps there is a chance his mystery title shows up during the roundtable tonight.
Dreamwriter
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I've played it. It's PacMan Versus over and over again
I mean, it's fun, but two of the games are "3 people team up against the guy with the Gamepad, who can see more than them". The Zelda game was fun but overly simplistic ( you don't control your movement, the Gamepad user chooses if you move forward along the set track ). The ninja game was exactly like it looked, a remake of the old Shinobi between-stage minigame. Didn't play the Donkey Kong game.Freezie KO
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And do you remember when they revealed Pikmin for the first time? 2008.
And do you remember why? Because their E3 2008 was so embarrassingly awful and geared towards shit nobody wanted to see that they gave it up as an apologia.
Full circle.
Fantastical
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Duallusion
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Maybe they didn't want to blow all their load and they saved some ammo for next E3 to counter PS4/Xnext launch?
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There Must be a rational explanation for this shit!
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There Must be a rational explanation for this shit!
Goodacre0081
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why should these third parties commit to the WiiU when Nintendo can't even figure out pricing or a release date? isn't this thing due out this year?
Andy McNamara touched on this during the Bonus Round earlier today
I know, but at least they didn't emphasize it.
That's good to know. I hope there's a versus mode too!
Show one short trailer showcasing a few seconds of the most important games and tell the audience there's a conference tomorrow specifically for 3DS games. The audience isn't stupid: if you tell them to wait till tomorrow, they'll wait.
Those would be people like me, who most likely aren't even that interested in those games. I guess showing stuff that's not been released yet makes some sense, but stuff like Batman and Mass Effect 3 is just plain stupid.
Granted, we don't know much about Miiverse, but I really doubt it'll add much value, and it certainly won't do anything for gameplay. I don't know that what they're doing with the Miis will be significant. We'll see.
What I don't get is how do the guys at Nintendo go about those presentations, do they just go "okay, so this guy directed the game, so obviously having him speak will be good"? Or is it the developers who are just dying to go on stage? I doubt it, otherwise we'd have had Sakamoto on stage at least once, given the man's ego (see Other M)
. Wouldn't it make sense to have them come up with a list of stuff to say, have Reggie (or whoever writes his speeches) come up with a nice text around it, and then review it over and over with those people? He could then present what the designers intended to tell us about, only in a much more pleasant way for the audience.Regardless, the game shouldn't have been last. It should have been shown first as a way to explain what the controller can do. But they should have done it quickly, going over 2 or 3 key aspects and nothing more. Explaining the entire controller would take too much time because it's so much more complex than the Wiimote.
I don't encourage companies to show stuff that won't come out for a long while (for instance, that Zelda tech demo in 2011 was completely stupid because it got people hyped only to be sorely disappointed come E3 2012), but use raw quantity to your advantage. Stuff like that Platinum game (however obscure) should have been showcase, if only to say "our games aren't just ports and rehashes" and to avoid awkward long presentations of games everybody knows already. I mean seriously, even with as little as 10 games you can manage to make an hour-long conference not too boring. Just pad the presentation with smooth transitions and interesting feature-talk. The pacing was all over the place.
Thanks for the corrections.
Dreamwriter
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Nintendo announced long ago that there would be no price, no release date during E3. They never announce those during E3. Don't know why anyone was disappointed that Nintendo did exactly what they said they'd do.
Sis Focaccia
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Word up!
This conference was so powerfully disappointing that I feel burned out on Nintendo and the industry altogether. It's depressing to watch the industry, and especially by following news sites, with the state video game journalism is in (well, not that it used to be good). I've enjoyed following fan sites and Neogaf, like the amusing honeycombs of delicious hype (& stark seriousness) that it is, but I do it mostly to share the love of Nintendo and games as an art form, and well, the way things are going, I feel like the disappointments outweigh the good parts.
Although it's waay too early to count them out, Nintendo seem to have lost a part of their soul.
Their desperate ways of trying to win market share has compromised the artistic integrity that once seemed like their number 1 priority (in more innocent times). The Nintendo of yesterday didn't give a shit about trends, they knew they were the best. These days they seem much more insecure. Every title seems to come from a rational point of view. They've taken on a colder, more analytical way of treating their best franchises. But the thing is, the public usually doesn't know what it wants until creative vision shows them something new and unexpected. As the players of the industry get more scared, that quality is getting tainted.
Granted, lots of their teams and especially EAD Tokyo is still amazing, but even they will eventually be watered down to capitalize on whatever the chairmen feels is best money-wise. Nintendo will continue to make good games for years, I'm sure, but they wouldn't put out a self-sufficient game like Majora's Mask today. Maybe it's the industry that has gotten too ruff, but man, Nintendo should hold the flag high! I wish they could feasibly operate as stubborn idealists, but maybe I just don't see their economical point of view. I'm just a dreaming consumer, not a turgid capitalist.
Anyway. What the hell is their vision for this next console? It's hardly trailblazing, more of a hodge-podge of whatever is hot - which right now is tablets - and whatever made them cash for the past few years, which has been solid, but offensively soulless, superficial homages to their classics. They'll be fine, but I doubt the Wii U will be disruptive.
I just don't have faith anymore that Nintendo will make the stuff I feel they should, which is heartbreaking, but also a relief, I guess. Time to just let it go. There are still so many fantastic games from the past 20 years I haven't played, and fantastic games will continue to come. Sure, the industry is heading in a questionable direction, but it's a great era to be gaming, still.
Fantastical
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I'm not sure really what to believe. It kind of sounds like Nintendo may have pulled stuff last minute. ShockingAlberto said this, Shane Satterfield said what he saw was "pretty damn good", and Shikamaru Ninja echoed this.
Either people are just pulling stuff out of their asses (probably), or people know or saw some stuff before Nintendo decided we should see it.
Who knows. Maybe this developer roundtable will be fruitful.
Maybe they didn't want to blow all their load and they saved some ammo for next E3 to counter PS4/Xnext launch?
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There Must be a rational explanation for this shit!
Nintendo is infamous for showing software only months before release. The software shown is only for the first 4-or-so months of its release. They will certainly announce more for January - July at a later period before the next E3.
I wouldn't worry too much...
Mario, Pikmin, Project P-100, Rayman, Lego City, Scribblenauts, Zombi U, etc. is a pretty damn good launch... not to mention the more casual stuff. 0_o
It's just not good for E3. :S
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