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What were the initial and revised forcasts for the Wii U again? I could have sworn it was reduced from 5 million to 4 million.
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Nintendo FY13: $70M Net Income; WiiU 3.45M, NDS retires, 3DS/WiiU miss expectations
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And surpass 3D Land? You crazy.
airmangataosenai
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Operating loses are what the other thread was about and they were actually almost twice as bad as predicted.
3DS missed it's revised estimate by 1 million and original by 3.5 million.
Wii U missed it's revision by 500k and initial by 2 million.
Besides a few key titles there's not much positive to spin here.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Am I reading it wrong or is that operating loss double what Bloomberg were predicting?
pieatorium
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5.5 million originally reduced down to 4 million last financial report.
Pokemon BW are getting really close to DP despite the 3 year had start. I honestly did not think it would be able to catch them and now I'm starting to think that XY could top them.
Yeah, that was my take on it too. I still think they have an uphill battle, but if what they've mentioned they're going to release this year actually comes out, I think they stand a decent chance at meeting that projection with the holiday season.
And Super Mario 64 DS got really close to surpassing the original.
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Thanks, I just saw it. Yeah... 5.5 million was insane.
CrunchinJelly
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It was originally 5.5m then reduced to 4m.
It's somewhat bad since they launched at a decent price point and had the launch window to themselves.
I believe the Wii was closer to 5.8 million sales within 5 months and the ps3 was closer to 3.1 million unites within 5ish months.
This holiday, the Wii U goes up against a likely ps4 and nextbox launch. Going to be hard to justify a Wii U sale.
Even worse considering there are few AAA titles announced for the Wii U. Maybe sales will pick up with the ps4 and nextbox if those systems don't live up to the hype or cost to much, but I feel Nintendo needs to make moves quick.
Fidelis Hodie
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Pretty much what I saw too. After the insurmountable charges of doom and gloom . . it really doesn't look that bad? Not an up year or anything, and Nintendo clearly has to go into desperation mode to kick-start those WiiU sales (if that's even possible), but good god those software sales are incredible. I had no idea Mario 3ds Land was even close to that high.
specialguy
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can somebody recap the operating losses vs net income thing again?
if i remember, "operating" profit loss could be termed "normal operations", while Net income has all the crazy loans and interest and depreciation what have you included? So operating is somewhat the "truer picture"?
Silver_DNA
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Gotcha, thank you.
The stock market always seems to do the opposite of what I expect :lol
You read it right :\
Dion Blaster
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Super Mario 3D Land might have the most marketable cover art ever.
vagabondarts
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I still play Mario Kart 7 a few times a month.
DLC tracks and karts for that game would have been very welcome.
Kid Icarus sold ok. Not as much as I would have thought.
Fire Emblem mysteriously absent from that color infographic....
Mario Golf and Animal Crossing will be the next top tier 3DS first party games with legs
DLC tracks and karts for that game would have been very welcome.
Kid Icarus sold ok. Not as much as I would have thought.
Fire Emblem mysteriously absent from that color infographic....
Mario Golf and Animal Crossing will be the next top tier 3DS first party games with legs
1st Course
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How likely is it that the Wii will get discounted this year? Numbers seems really bad imo.
Yen is at a five year high, Nintendo hadn't reported. Wait until tomorrow.
They're only forecasting 2 million shipped so they're probably only going to be clearing stock. I don't think it gets a pricedrop as much as retail clearances.
Where are you seeing that? Nintendo stock closed down 16 cents or -1.09% to $14.50. It doesn't really matter though, this report came after the market closed. When it opens back up it will be interesting to see.
StreetsAhead
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Pokemon!
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2013/130424e.pdf
If you look at the statement of income (page 8) of the above PDF, you can follow the math from top to bottom.
Operating income is basically sales minus costs. It's the most direct measure of whether the business is making money. Ordinary income has a bunch of other stuff added in, and then net income has a bunch more stuff added in. Basically.
Mmm, good point, that slipped my mind.
CriterionDog
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Is this where Iwata wanted the company to be at? How's the Wii U doing? Better or worse? I have such a hard time reading these threads. : /
ThatObviousUser
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Does the 3DS million sellers list include third parties? No, right?
Crazy to believe Rumble Blast sold that much. XY are going to be huge (as somewhat expected.)
Crazy to believe Rumble Blast sold that much. XY are going to be huge (as somewhat expected.)
It wasn't out in Europe yet! It's somewhere around 700k without Europe, and I think it has a shot at getting there.
No. If it did, it would have included Dragon Quest VII and Monster Hunter 3G.
vagabondarts
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doh how could I forget!
Pouring a cold one out for my homie, DS.
Reinvigorated my love for gaming, it did....
Wii U's doing just about what you would expect from a console with no games. Nintendo is doing historically bad but this is not unexpected.
EatChildren
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Christ, that Wii U momentum is awful. What a drop off.
zomgbbqftw
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FY2013/14 fct:
Wii U - 9m hardware, 38m software
3DS - 18m hardware, 80m software
Wii - 2m hardware, 20m software
NDS - 0 hardware, 10m software
Revenue - 920bn yen (+44%)
Operating profit - 100bn yen
Net income - 55bn yen (+674%)
Seems rather optimistic to me.
How the hell are the going to manage a YoY increase for 3DS from 14m to 18m?!?
Wii U - 9m hardware, 38m software
3DS - 18m hardware, 80m software
Wii - 2m hardware, 20m software
NDS - 0 hardware, 10m software
Revenue - 920bn yen (+44%)
Operating profit - 100bn yen
Net income - 55bn yen (+674%)
Seems rather optimistic to me.
How the hell are the going to manage a YoY increase for 3DS from 14m to 18m?!?
Canis lupus
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Not very likely, unless you expect a pricedrop to 50? Its likely Wii will be discontinued after this FY.
StreetsAhead
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The report blames the slow sales of the Wii U on lost momentum due to the delay of 1st party titles and commits to releasing key titles for the second half of the year and into next year. The predict 100 million operating profit for this FY, using 90 yen to the US dollar and 120 yen to the Euro.
Obviously it's not where he wants it to be. While the company is back in the black in general, the operating income is atrocious and needs to be rectified
The Wii U has sold 3.45 million units, down from Nintendo's estimates of 4 million, and those estimates were revised downward from 5.5 million. So worse.
Nothing1016
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Sticking to the 100bn Yen I see. If Iwata could pull those estimates off.... He can stay at NIntendo forever.
nhlducks35
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Luigi's Mansion sold more in 1 week than Kid Icarus did in 1 year.
One more fiscal year and it would have beaten the PS2.
shinra-bansho
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I don't see how they reconcile, the two bolded. Price needs to drop if they're to get anywhere near that number. Unless they're expecting the 3DS to essentially cover that.
iLLmaticV3
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Quite fitting and rare for a 3D Mario platformer these days.
I'm not sure you're looking at the right numbers. Those are split shares only traded in the US (regular shares are >$100), and it's in the middle of the night over there.
Solid lineup + Pokemon + MH4 (Japan) + Animal Crossing (West) + probable pricedrop?
Seems like the first 3DS forecast they will actually meet or exceed to me.
Bruno MB
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Fiscal Year 2013 software sales:
3DS (old titles)
Mario Kart 7 - 2,840,000 / 8,080,000
Super Mario 3D Land - 2,450,000 / 8,290,000
nintendogs+cats - 580,000 / 3,280,000
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D - 340,000 / 2,950,000
Pokémon Rumble Blast - 210,000 / 1,290,000
Wii
Wii Sports - 2,390,000 / 81,990,000
Mario Kart Wii - 1,820,000 / 34,260,000
Wii sports Resorts - 1,750,000 / 31,890,000
Super Mario Galaxy - 1,040,000 / 11,720,000
New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 1,020,000 / 27,880,000
Super Smash Bros Brawl - 690,000 / 11,490,000
Wii Fit Plus - 380,000 / 20,860,000
3DS (old titles)
Mario Kart 7 - 2,840,000 / 8,080,000
Super Mario 3D Land - 2,450,000 / 8,290,000
nintendogs+cats - 580,000 / 3,280,000
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D - 340,000 / 2,950,000
Pokémon Rumble Blast - 210,000 / 1,290,000
Wii
Wii Sports - 2,390,000 / 81,990,000
Mario Kart Wii - 1,820,000 / 34,260,000
Wii sports Resorts - 1,750,000 / 31,890,000
Super Mario Galaxy - 1,040,000 / 11,720,000
New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 1,020,000 / 27,880,000
Super Smash Bros Brawl - 690,000 / 11,490,000
Wii Fit Plus - 380,000 / 20,860,000
Justzisguyukno
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Fingers crossed that they already accounted for a lower priced Wii U in the equation?
Some interesting things:
"In addition we are planning to more actively support the Japanese software developers in distributing their key titles overseas"
About the Wii U:
"We plan to concentrate to concentrate on proactively releasing key Nintento titles from the second half of this year through next year in order to regain momentum for the platform"
I guess all start with Pikmin 3 in August and then Mario 3D U, Mario Kart U, Bayonetta 2, The Wonderful 101, TLOZ Wind Waker HD and other things they'll announce in the E3...
"In addition we are planning to more actively support the Japanese software developers in distributing their key titles overseas"
About the Wii U:
"We plan to concentrate to concentrate on proactively releasing key Nintento titles from the second half of this year through next year in order to regain momentum for the platform"
I guess all start with Pikmin 3 in August and then Mario 3D U, Mario Kart U, Bayonetta 2, The Wonderful 101, TLOZ Wind Waker HD and other things they'll announce in the E3...
Freezie KO
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Mario 3D Land being greater than NSMB2 plus NSMBU being such a weak driver for hardware means that Nintendo might actually take chances and mix up their 2D Mario games again, which would be great.