Judging by Nintendo's output for the 3DS, it looks like they've already backed away from any major support of the system (much like they have with the Wii U). I wouldn't be surprised if the likely Pokémon Z served as the swan song for the 3DS as a platform.
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Nintendo President Publishes Plans for 2016 in JP Newspaper
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It feels like only yesterday Nintendo and their fans were talking down on mobile games or the possibility of Nintendo making software for smartphones. Time sure does fly...
Yeah, that's my impression as well.
I have no doubt that Iwata's death changed Nintendo's plans, but the disappearance of the QoL talk is particularly interesting to me.
So it will be released in 2017, just like i predicted. Well that sucks.
Why in the world would they wait 1.5 years to release the NX when the 3DS and Wii U sales are in a downward spiral? Isn't this exactly the same problem Nintendo had with Wii to Wii U? The more they wait the more people will just buy a Xbone and PS4
DAREALGUMMY
Member
But people were demanding that they stop being a hardware company and make only mobile games. Either that or just wanted them to port their games or make mainline games on mobile.
All upcoming software is consolidated to first half/third of 2016, which is highly unusual for Nintendo's general strategy with spreading titles.
Also the whole point of the NX would be to avoid said scenario.
Exactly. I don't see how Nintendo would survive this year if they wait until 2017 for NX. Maybe Zelda on Wii U and Pokémon Z on 3DS would ease things out but it would be only for a few weeks. Nintendo needs new hardware ASAP.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
They had no problem developing for more than one platform before. The problem with the Wii U was that developing games in HD was a lot more time consuming and costly than generations prior. Sony and Microsoft have this problem too but they have third party support to supplement what ever software droughts they have. Now I think Nintendo has some ideas about how to streamline that. But who knows. I don't think this multiple form factor bs Neoxon keeps insisting will happen will solve everything.
I never said hybrid. I was referring to multiple devices under the same NX (or whatever the final name is) umbrella. But going forward, the issue of Nintendo spreading themselves too thin will only get worse as their consoles & handhelds become more powerful.
Graphics Horse
Member
Zeldaaa?
But I think I remember Code Name Steam was the only scheduled title for the year on 3DS.
I'm not yet convinced they would relase multiple system types simultaneously, handheld could come first.
Zelda being a cross-platform release would, indeed, come later in the year. I was focusing on titles specifically for the WiiU/3DS, all of them are getting crowded.
Pancakes R Us
Member
With the return of the bunny ears and worlds with the crazy ambition of the original SML2.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
Member
Anime oh hell yes!
JinjoUnchained
Member
That's German for "the amiibos, the!"
So, lets list the franchises and specific games and how they are great fit for anime:
Xenoblade Chronicles Wii: The story its so fucking good on its own, with great twists and lovable characters.
Paper Mario: This one could work as an OVA or short 5 minutes short.
Kid Icarus Uprising: Give it to BONES, they know what to do.
Punch Out Generations The first chapter can be Doc Louis final battle and how he couldn't fight anymore, but when he opens a Gym he finds a plucky young man with a short stature but a mean punch. The story goes back and forth between Doc Louis fights (Shown in flashbacks) and Little Mac fights (In the present).
Fire Emblem This one could work best as an original story. They could adapt one of the better stories, but chances are they would either go with the OG or with Fates.
FUCKING Donkey Kong Make it CGI, everything else is optional.
Wario Animation Mega Micro Shorts A collection of comedy segments introduced by our host Wario and his band of friends. The shorts can be from any and every Nintendo I.P.
Legend of Zelda. I think Majora's Mask would be the easiest to adapt if given to someone like Madhouse or David Pro. Maybe Skyward Sword, because of the waifu power of that version of Zelda and Groose.
F-Zero Legacy DIrect sequel to the original anime. I just want more.
Yoshi and Kirby Plush Adventures This one could easily be a kids show. Two hungry friends in search of fun.
Animal Crossing This one is simple. An adorable slice of life series.
Earthbound Just adapt all the stories. All of them.
Xenoblade Chronicles Wii: The story its so fucking good on its own, with great twists and lovable characters.
Paper Mario: This one could work as an OVA or short 5 minutes short.
Kid Icarus Uprising: Give it to BONES, they know what to do.
Punch Out Generations The first chapter can be Doc Louis final battle and how he couldn't fight anymore, but when he opens a Gym he finds a plucky young man with a short stature but a mean punch. The story goes back and forth between Doc Louis fights (Shown in flashbacks) and Little Mac fights (In the present).
Fire Emblem This one could work best as an original story. They could adapt one of the better stories, but chances are they would either go with the OG or with Fates.
FUCKING Donkey Kong Make it CGI, everything else is optional.
Wario Animation Mega Micro Shorts A collection of comedy segments introduced by our host Wario and his band of friends. The shorts can be from any and every Nintendo I.P.
Legend of Zelda. I think Majora's Mask would be the easiest to adapt if given to someone like Madhouse or David Pro. Maybe Skyward Sword, because of the waifu power of that version of Zelda and Groose.
F-Zero Legacy DIrect sequel to the original anime. I just want more.
Yoshi and Kirby Plush Adventures This one could easily be a kids show. Two hungry friends in search of fun.
Animal Crossing This one is simple. An adorable slice of life series.
Earthbound Just adapt all the stories. All of them.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Well times change, they are having problems now supporting both platforms. This software will solve an issue. It wont solve a problem though unless its a hybrid. And it wont have problems to solve if Nintendo does it right. It doesnt need to be a hybrid to solve the problem and games wont either.
Technically Nintendo are starting fresh. Currently they have 0 problems.
Already Torn
Banned
I hope by "old ideas" he means all of the crap Miyamoto's doing with providing new experiences like project giant robo, and by "new ideas" he means going back to GameCube era stuff.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
No it won't. I mean Sony and MS are basically supporting one single platform and they're having trouble getting first party stuff out and they arguably didn't get the ball rolling on next gen until recently. One platform to consolidate their games won't solve the software problem. Streamlined developer tools, more smaller scaled games and third party support will and the latter is an uncertainty.
Azure Dream
Member
So it will be released in 2017, just like i predicted. Well that sucks.
I feel like if they're going to cover release details, that means this year. They just don't want to say that yet.
Oh one hand, Wii U and 3DS development has already clearly wound down (we're already seeing the results of that, so it must've been happening for a while). As much as I like Star Fox, it doesn't carry a console by itself (Zelda is supposed to help with that, but I'm in the camp of it being a Twilight Princess situation at this point), so you'd think the NX would hit this year.
Then again, the Wii limped along pretty lamely for quite a while (with the single highlight/result of that period being Skyward Sword), so maybe it'll happen again. Nintendo keeps finding ways to surprise me.
Oh wow I totally forgot about those Miyamoto games/experiments... Pretty silly concepts IMO. Those concepts are the type of gimmicks people doesn't want to experience anymore.
YoYo Switch
Banned
I really honestly don't know how Nintendo can be successful In a traditional console market. Even with all the horse power and third party support in the world, mainstream gamers are not gonna drop their playstation and xboxes
Kids don't like Nintendo. They like call of duty and curse words. 12 year olds are not gonna be caught dead with a Nintendo system. I don't know how Nintendo gets the call of duty madden crowd. I just don't see a situation in which this happens
Kids don't like Nintendo. They like call of duty and curse words. 12 year olds are not gonna be caught dead with a Nintendo system. I don't know how Nintendo gets the call of duty madden crowd. I just don't see a situation in which this happens
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Like I said there is 0 problems at the moment. If this was a traditional every day console then yes there would be problems but there arent any.You guys are creating problems on a product you know nothing about.
perfectchaos007
Member
People who keep thinking the NX will be revealed before E3 with the console out by FALL 2016 are going to be disappointed. November 2016 is the absolute earliest any part of the NX will release. Spring 2017 seems more likely to me
Fear, fear the gimmicky consoles and unique experiences like shaking your hips to make Mario jump approaching closer and closer! Buaahaha >
To be fair, we do have reason to believe that we'll get it soon based on Nintendo backing away from major 3DS & Wii U support.
Well at this moment we don't even know if they are buckling down on the Nintendo hardcore/niche or going for the cod and madden crowd. After how many amiibos i've bought and i'm not even a big Nintendo fan i could see them milking the Nintendo and otaku fanboys like crazy if they released a steady stream of great games and products.
perfectchaos007
Member
The Wii went almost 1.5 years without support before Wii U dropped. Wii U seems to be on that pace
Something that Nintendo can't repeat with the NX Platform, more so considering how that worked out for the Wii U.
perfectchaos007
Member
I'm a huge Nintendo fanboy, but you have more faith in their business making decisions than I do.
Not necessarily. In fact, I've usually been a bit cynical (especially with Nintendo's prospect of ever getting western third parties back). It's just that Nintendo can't drag their feet with the Wii U & the 3DS past this year. Sure, maybe they can get away with no 3DS successor until early 2017, but that's it.
Their throughput is considerably lower than Nintendo's, they simply have 3rd Parties as a saving dice throw (and in this gen, the only dice throw that really matters).
That said, Nintendo develops, internally, enough games per year to have ~2 games per month (plus a small handful of their usual digital-only small titles whenever), but their current output has been split between the 3DS and the WiiU. The complexity of a 3DS game (and budget) isn't that far from modern games (not AAA obviously) but with the saving grace of needing/using lower production asset models. Internally consistent tools and a streamlined asset generation beltline would greatly cut into their time-issues as they've been having to make assets, tools, and engines completely parallel to one another between the wildly different 3DS and WiiU.
SuperLeviathan
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The difference is, the Wii sold well to the bitter end. And by virtue of being cheaper to make, made more money in the process.
The N64 and Gamecube were done the instant they recieved their last major first party titles. The Wii was a big exception due to it's continued legs.
OrbitalBeard
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You forgot the Gamecube. Apparently Nintendo's new ideas should involve going back to the GCN era for some reason.
Herpes Reasons
Banned
When it comes to putting effort into the hardware? Yes. When it comes to not putting out hardware a generation behind the competition? Yes. It'd be nice.
I was never a fan of Iwata's Nintendo sadly (no disrespect to him, but personally I just didn't like the way he ran the company at all), but this doesn't inspire me with confidence.
At best though I can play Pokemon and Mario RPGs on my phone, or Rhythm Heaven or something. That might be neat.
I'd actually buy another Nintendo console if it launches with a bunch of great games and the hardware isn't out of date trash shackled to a dumb gimmick, but I don't expect it. Eh. They'll do what they do and I'll just continue playing on other platforms, maybe buy one used down the line for Smash like I did with the Wii U.
At best though I can play Pokemon and Mario RPGs on my phone, or Rhythm Heaven or something. That might be neat.
I'd actually buy another Nintendo console if it launches with a bunch of great games and the hardware isn't out of date trash shackled to a dumb gimmick, but I don't expect it. Eh. They'll do what they do and I'll just continue playing on other platforms, maybe buy one used down the line for Smash like I did with the Wii U.
They want to bring out Amiibo games and smartphone apps. Both?
You are replying to something, but I'm not totally sure what.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I'm glad you softened your wording on Iwata in subsequent posts. Earlier just read as dickish.
Given the moves both Sony and MS made with this generation of hardware (not really going for expensive and powerful) I can safely say you're probably closer than you think about Nintendo re-entering a part of the hardware race. Getting close to (in a brute power sense) should be significantly cheaper than it has been for them in two generations. A position not entirely dissimilar to the one they found themselves in with both the SNES, and N64. Releasing direct competition, years later, with competitive hardware (maybe an advantage/disadvantage here or there).
But you have to remember, even their "competitive hardware" tends to have some big disadvantages. The storage mediums of the N64 and GCN, the CPU of the SNES, the main memory of the GCN, the tiny texture mem of the N64.
I could see it releasing with a GPU on par with One, a higher clocked CPU than both, and a main memory pool of 8 gigs GDDR3 clocked at 800MHz. Because... Nintendo.
That is a assumption based on the assumption that NX is a traditional homeconsole?
I'd say them making a traditional (boring) console would be more surprising at this point than something unique and different. So hey, maybe that's what we're getting!
The Giant
Banned
Going by the leaked Sony emails. Sony Pictures are making a CGI Mario movie after hinting at getting the rights. Also possibly the rights for a smash bros movie.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Yeah, I'm just a monkey sitting at a comp talking bullshit.
Just skimmed the thread and adding two cents to the discussion.
There is nothing about Mario that keeps kids away. At worst, it would be a new IP.
Not what I'm saying. Its just noticeable that we talk about NX almost exclusively as traditional home console like GCN/Wii/WiiU.
WordAssassin
Member
There's not a chance in hell they would announce the NX is releasing this year in this way, this early, while there are still a handful of major Wii U games on the way. The console is already on life support as it is, they're not going to just yank the plug at the start of the year when a new system wouldn't debut until this fall.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Because that's what GAF wants most from Nintendo. I am hoping they don't go the traditional console route, though, because there's nothing there for them that they couldn't do with a system marginally more powerful than the WiiU. It's not like Nintendo is in the business of making huge complex games, and their 'second'-parties nor third parties are making such games for them either. There are small exceptions like XBX, but games like that are not what Nintendo or their platforms are known for.
I know why many Gaffers talk about NX almost exclusively as traditional home console. I'm saying that it is not neccessarly a traditional home console.
Otherwise, I agree. Well, except you forgot Zelda, Smash and Mario Kart. But its true, they should actually drop out and do something different. That, or another generation with a compelling gimmick. Even though gimmicks are also high risk investments these days, see PSVR and Kinect.
UnemployedVillain
Member
It really doesn't. In fact it doesn't mean anything concrete aside from we'll get details at E3