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Nintendo Rep: Pikmin 3, NSMBU, Nintendo Land will ship in 720p (Pikmin 3 is 60fps)
- Thread starter Hero of Legend
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Thrillhouse
Member
Yes, for once it's adequate.
Always-honest
Banned
yeah, i can't believe this. that can't be that hard can it??..
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Check that box.
No excuse for NSMB U to not run in 1080p at 60 FPS.
No excuse for NSMB U to not run in 1080p at 60 FPS.
So if games have aa you will buy them? lol
Hero of Legend
Member
Why afraid of it? 720P at 60fps or a steady 30fps is more than current gen games are doing. Hopefully all first party games will be 60fps.
I'm sure if they optimise the games more, 1080P is possible. But for me it's important that IF they do 720P, they use GOOD ANTI ALIASSING.... and maybe some extra effects
I was hoping for 1080p from at least 1st party games, but seemingly games are stuggling to reach 720p apparently on other systems.
But why do I see so many PS3 and 360 games with 1080p on the box? Upscaled I guess? False advertising much?
Hopefully Nintendo is honest (along with 3rd parties) and will say what the NATIVE res is on their boxes.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
No. If the leaked specs are true 720p proper is exactly what you'd shoot for.
The problem is nobody is using the free MSAA coming from the 32 megs of embedded ram built into the GPU if you go with 720p for your resolution.
No legit AA in game is basically no excuse since you aren't blocked like you are on the 360 with the embedded pool not being large enough for the textures. So essentially the Halo Reach excuse is not applicable here.
That means every game 1st and 3rd party should at the very least have an extremely clean look both from the free MSAA as well as high levels of AF. We should in theory be getting topic quality IQ @ 720p.
Jump to 1080p and all bets are off.
That being said as discussed in the Wii-U specs leaked thread some people said the final kits just went out so current games IQ might not be based on the actual final kits. We shall see.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
damn, i was actually pretty excited for Wii U but this doesnt bode well with me. No reason a next gen console shouldnt be releasing games in 1080p especially when the games arent even slightly graphically impressive.
Mario 64 was sub 30 iirc and Sunshine was 30.
abstract alien
Member
I would refuse to believe Mario is 30fps. That just sounds...wrong, especially for a 2D mario.
This at 60fps is what I like to see. Fucking gaming bliss visually on my end.and this is not JUST DoF right? Or maybe it is..
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Indeed.this game clearly has no AA:
No, it's not just DOF.and this is not JUST DoF right? Or maybe it is..
My expectations were much the same. I'm not sure where everyone else got such high hopes from, to be honest. Maybe I just don't remember...
It's funny to see PC owners being brought up in this thread though. I like how PC owners and console owners are deemed to be mutually exclusive, lol. As a gamer who owns damn near everything, I don't expect consoles to be as powerful as my PC. I am always amazed though at what the big three (and especially Nintendo) can get out of the hardware they do use.
The way I see it, shiny graphics are a nice bonus on consoles, but at the end of the day I really don't care. If I want to ooh and aah at graphics I'll boot up my PC.
Like the hat?
Banned
you probably can't be 100% from a broadcast I guess but NSMBU sure LOOKED like 60FPS on Spike HD
Mario 64 actually ran at a pretty consistent 30 fps, certainly far more often than Sunshine did.
Sunshine was a damn shame because it was running at 60 fps as late as two months before the game released, but they decided to drop it down to 30 as there were areas that wouldn't go any higher, and there's still quite a bit of slowdown regardless.
The GPU is probably way under clocked (to keep the small case cool) and there just isn't enough fill rate left. That can be the only logical explanation.
Freezie KO
Banned
720p at 60 fps is great. More than happy with this. They could show their games at 600p (CoD resolution) if they'd reveal more of them, and I'd be just as happy.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Yes. If you've already decided to ignore all other logical explanations.
Always-honest
Banned
Alex
Member
I'm surprised so many people expected 1080p out of this thing. That requires a fairly solid hardware bump and the Wii-U is pretty clearly around the 360ish level of potency with a few pluses and a few minuses. I'd imagine for most games running off of true blue current gen asset work that its going to be the same 30 FPS @ 720p goal posts. Pikmin 3 being 60 FPS is surprising, but probably less so since it started as a Wii game and it's asset work isn't as taxing, despite being pretty darn gussied up.
I won't be surprised if PS4/720 games are 720p either, in fact I def expect it. It's a shame (to me), but image quality and framerate stability are probably always going to take a backseat to raw assets on consoles. Would be nice to see to see a hardware maker have a contract clause that "your game must remain a stable 30 FPS 99% of the time or we are allowed to hit your hand with a hammer", though.
I won't be surprised if PS4/720 games are 720p either, in fact I def expect it. It's a shame (to me), but image quality and framerate stability are probably always going to take a backseat to raw assets on consoles. Would be nice to see to see a hardware maker have a contract clause that "your game must remain a stable 30 FPS 99% of the time or we are allowed to hit your hand with a hammer", though.
I was hoping for 4K res at 240 fps. Sorry, Reggie NO SALE.
How is this a step up when it might not even have AA ?
Not to mention WiiU running on a higher spec hardware than the other two.
Much like the PS3 and 360, it will take a while for the Wii-U to hit its stride. Once developers get hold of it, I am sure they will be able to pull off some nice tricks. Check out what the PS3 is able to do now, against their launch line-up.
Nintendo are great developers but their clearly don't have enough experience at development in HD and all the extra tricks people have been developing over the last few years. Mario should be 1080p@60fps. There is seriously not enough going on for it not to be. Even Pikmin 3 is pretty simplistic on the graphical front, so at least that hits 60fps but it seems to be not really pushing the system.
At this point in time I am not buying a Wii-U at launch, just because they currently have no games I am honestly interested in, especially not interested enough to drop £300+ on it.
As for 3rd party games, if they can get them running at 720p at a solid 30fps, that will be great but not really a massive generational shift many expected. A give it a few months and Epic will have UE3 running on it well and most of these launch quibbles will drift away...hopefully.
Nintendo are great developers but their clearly don't have enough experience at development in HD and all the extra tricks people have been developing over the last few years. Mario should be 1080p@60fps. There is seriously not enough going on for it not to be. Even Pikmin 3 is pretty simplistic on the graphical front, so at least that hits 60fps but it seems to be not really pushing the system.
At this point in time I am not buying a Wii-U at launch, just because they currently have no games I am honestly interested in, especially not interested enough to drop £300+ on it.
As for 3rd party games, if they can get them running at 720p at a solid 30fps, that will be great but not really a massive generational shift many expected. A give it a few months and Epic will have UE3 running on it well and most of these launch quibbles will drift away...hopefully.
It is the status quo, but games NSMB and NintendoLand are very simple looking, and with this machine supposedly being more powerful than the PS360 it's pretty strange.
Ein Bear
Member
Huh really? I never knew that. Kind of suprised they couldn't get the whole thing running at 60, even when the game came out it's (non-water) visuals were slightly underwhelming. Was it the water effects that were so taxing or something?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
All these games should be 60fps at 720p. No excuses. The HW is good enough for that.
According to Nintendo, video quality is more the gimmick than the controller. I offer no comment other than that this is their entire creative model, and people are just going to have to deal with it or not buy Nintendo consoles anymore.
thiscoldblack
Unconfirmed Member
I thought that next-gen consoles would have most games finally running natively at 1080p.
This is something I dislike about the current generation, including Vita. About 98% of games are upscaled and not running on native resolution.
This is something I dislike about the current generation, including Vita. About 98% of games are upscaled and not running on native resolution.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Let us laugh at how Nintendo is specially incompetent when the rest of the industry is already chortling about how awesome it will be to shoot for 720p @ 30fps on next gen hardware because that's good enough.
Yeah, devs will target 720p first few years and later on move to 1080p (if they ever do it). But I guess that devs want to have as much performance as possible for good graphics at 720p which you can't do at 1080p
plagiarize
Banned
i do wonder how much memory the Wii U is going to have. it's not like nintendo haven't fucked up a system with too small a framebuffer buffer before. what's 1080p + the wii U game pad resolution? that might make 1080p out of the question for anything rendering to both screens.
obviously they've got to make sure NSMBU is playable on just the game pad, but that's no reason not to go 1080p.
obviously they've got to make sure NSMBU is playable on just the game pad, but that's no reason not to go 1080p.
Its certainly possible but with 6 months out from launch (if Winter is right) the Hardware has to be finalised and ready to go. Development kits are higher spec, so they can push stuff like AA onto games but that then depends if it works well on retail kits.
Mario Wii-U/Pikmin should have been slick as shit for E3. 1080p@60fps. They have had a load of time to tweak and polish that to a stunning finish.
precisely. I'm not saying there won't be 1080p games next gen but most games will likely be 720 or we might even see sub 1080p
linko9
Member
Halo 4 runs at 720p internal. Don't know what Blops 2 does, I'm guessing much less.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Are people SURE that NSMBU has no AA? Because I'm looking at the screenshots from Nintendo's site, and unless they decided that a 2D Mario of all titles was the game to bullshit graphics with, it definitely does have AA.
NG3 appears to be 1080p (no AA) unless, again, Nintendo decided to bullshit for just one particular game and in one particular field. (though it's still NG3 so well).
NG3 appears to be 1080p (no AA) unless, again, Nintendo decided to bullshit for just one particular game and in one particular field. (though it's still NG3 so well).
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
As a PC gamer this is hilarious. If the system even used somewhat modern hardware (anything from the past 4 years) all these games should have been easily 1080p and 60fps.
I think that was part of it, but the whole game had a rushed production, so it likely wasn't going to be possible with the time they had. I sure can't imagine that they wouldn't have had to rely on so many blue coins for shines if they actually had time to do anything.
TTT2 on Wii U -still- being subHD like the PS360 versions is really weird. 7 friggin' years later than the 360, the GPU on this machine has got to be more capable. That game is really awful when it comes to resolution incidentally. The more characters on screen, the more it drops.