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Nintendo Shares Drop 5% Following Pre-TGS Announcements, Analysts Comment
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Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Of everything in that article that stung the worst. However, you could argue that Nintendo already has their "farmvile" in Pokemon.Sullichin said:
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
If all the doom and gloom news is to reside in this thread then perhaps a title change would be a good idea to reflect that.
Does anyone even enjoy Angry Birds or Farmville? Does anyone see any intelligence or charm in them? I look at them and I think CHEAP JAVA CRAP. All I see is money grabbing schemes - with Nintendo - you know, you see - well, all the qualities you get in a Nintendo game that you don't in other games. I'm going to stop here before I become soppy and people tell me that "Nintendo is a company too! They want profit." But yeh - quality and care go hand in hand with Nintendo, something I could never see coming from an iOS 99p download.
So...let me get this straight.
- Nintendo gets a main entry of the Dragon Quest series on their platform (Wii/Wii U), but they're doomed.
- Nintendo gets a main entry of the Monster Hunter series on their platform (3DS), but they're doomed.
What the fuck else do they need? I thought both of those franchises are currently THE franchises Japan is in love with that Nintendo doesn't own.
- Nintendo gets a main entry of the Dragon Quest series on their platform (Wii/Wii U), but they're doomed.
- Nintendo gets a main entry of the Monster Hunter series on their platform (3DS), but they're doomed.
What the fuck else do they need? I thought both of those franchises are currently THE franchises Japan is in love with that Nintendo doesn't own.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Sullichin said:
Sullichin
More Farmville, less Mario
(Today, 08:12 PM)
I'd pay to see this happen.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I do think they deserve a slap on the wrist from the consumers (in the form of bad sales).AbsoluteZero said:
They have become arrogant as hell.
3DS 250 dollars, why? BECAUSE WE CAN.
They seriously said that, "people were excited so we upped the price."
Online? FUCK YOU. Friend codes? deal with it! second analog or proper battery? FUCK YOU.
Same with the wii U conference 'ticking boxes' , what am I hearing here, are they for serious?
Maybe after this they will get a bit less complacent again, it can only be good for quality.
e.g ATI only stopped sucking at the 9xxx radeon era because they had lost so much market share so now they had to step up their game and price more competitively again.
Jinfash said:
The sad part is that it is a self fulfilling prophecy that will only be a reality because people keep choosing to beleive the fallacy.
But let's not forget that the media has had it out for Nintendo for years now, even during the Wii years of domination, because Nintendo wasn't following their narrative.
I've tried playing platformers on my iPhone. It is infinitely inferior than on a dedicated handheld with actual controls.
Sure, I like playing solitaire, Kairosoft games, Drawracing, etc, but it'll be a sad day in Gaming History if physical buttons go the way of the dodo.
Platformers, FPS, anything with a certain amount of input complexity loses out on a touch-only device. How many virtual buttons do you need to cram on a tiny smartphone display to emulate crouch, fire, secondary fire, reload, switch weapon, jump, etc ? Let alone that the app market seems to prefer short, non-complex, and especially cheap games, and therefore discourages any meaty games we like to play on the (3)DS and PSP. Developers also seem to like to make games they sell for very cheap which earn their real money from in-app purchases. Personally I'm not a fan of this constant nickel-and-diming strategy.
Boo, I say, Boo.
Sure, I like playing solitaire, Kairosoft games, Drawracing, etc, but it'll be a sad day in Gaming History if physical buttons go the way of the dodo.
Platformers, FPS, anything with a certain amount of input complexity loses out on a touch-only device. How many virtual buttons do you need to cram on a tiny smartphone display to emulate crouch, fire, secondary fire, reload, switch weapon, jump, etc ? Let alone that the app market seems to prefer short, non-complex, and especially cheap games, and therefore discourages any meaty games we like to play on the (3)DS and PSP. Developers also seem to like to make games they sell for very cheap which earn their real money from in-app purchases. Personally I'm not a fan of this constant nickel-and-diming strategy.
Boo, I say, Boo.
StoppedInTracks
Member
More Farmville, Less Mario
3DS Stinks
Hippier Platforms
Iwata-san on the Ejection Seat
3DS flops
etc.
Nintendo is finished in the mainstream. Redirected to the kiddie aisle along Fisher Price and Mattel.
3DS Stinks
Hippier Platforms
Iwata-san on the Ejection Seat
3DS flops
etc.
Nintendo is finished in the mainstream. Redirected to the kiddie aisle along Fisher Price and Mattel.
Mama Robotnik
Member
On a personal level, not a single one of the games announced last night even raised an eyebrow as something I'd want to purchase. Combined with the potential of a two-sticked XL redesign, I'm not going anywhere near buying a 3DS for the foreseeable future.
However, I'd be mad not to admit that the games show aren't significant and barring something going freakishly wrong, will sell a Galactic Fuckton of 3DSes.
Its a shame the writer of the Yahoo article is unable to perceive that. Nintendo did good last night, even if on a personal level some might find the selection lackluster, the games they shown were a successful move.
However, I'd be mad not to admit that the games show aren't significant and barring something going freakishly wrong, will sell a Galactic Fuckton of 3DSes.
Its a shame the writer of the Yahoo article is unable to perceive that. Nintendo did good last night, even if on a personal level some might find the selection lackluster, the games they shown were a successful move.
AbsoluteZero
Banned
StevieP said:
I love arguing with the "Hurr Nintendo just makes casual games" crowd. I'm up for it.
Out in public, I don't see many (if any) kids with dedicated gaming handhelds. They're generally playing with their parents (or their own) phones. It's apparent that gaming companies need to make some sort of changes, as it's less a matter of their platforms being good and more a matter of their platforms being versatile. While I don't take gaming on my phone very seriously, I don't own a dedicated MP3 player because my phone handles music and podcasts to my liking.
Nintendo needs to partner with a reputable smartphone developers in order to have its products exposed to a larger market. There's nothing stopping Nintendo from developing its own handhelds, but it's stupid to leave smartphone users out of the equation. Also, as I've mentioned in another thread, Nintendo really needs to cater more to people who'd rather pay less for games with less depth, rather than just relying on brand recognition to sell games at $30-40 a pop.
That isn't to say that games aren't worth $30-40 to some people, but Steam's an excellent example of how cutting a game's price by 75% or more can result in far more revenue than waiting for maybe 5% of a user base to buy a game at full price.
Nintendo needs to partner with a reputable smartphone developers in order to have its products exposed to a larger market. There's nothing stopping Nintendo from developing its own handhelds, but it's stupid to leave smartphone users out of the equation. Also, as I've mentioned in another thread, Nintendo really needs to cater more to people who'd rather pay less for games with less depth, rather than just relying on brand recognition to sell games at $30-40 a pop.
That isn't to say that games aren't worth $30-40 to some people, but Steam's an excellent example of how cutting a game's price by 75% or more can result in far more revenue than waiting for maybe 5% of a user base to buy a game at full price.
StickSoldier
Member
duckroll said:
Thanks Duckroll. Shit was getting annoying as hell.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
The author, Rebecca Greenfield hardly writes about games.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/authors/rebecca-greenfield/
Suddenly she spawned a Nintendo is killing itself article out of nowhere. Her previous gaming related stuff was: Nintendo getting sued over the Wii
She even mentioned the Reuters' article in her piece.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/authors/rebecca-greenfield/
Suddenly she spawned a Nintendo is killing itself article out of nowhere. Her previous gaming related stuff was: Nintendo getting sued over the Wii
She even mentioned the Reuters' article in her piece.
Foffy said:
Generally, the consensus seems to be that by remaining a company which is only interested in the traditional game business model (hardware consoles and software games), Nintendo is not going to grow and they are limiting themselves in a bold new world of social media and mobile gaming.
Investors are less likely to be mad with Sony or Microsoft because they have many other and more diverse businesses. With Nintendo, it's a game company that basically got way bigger than anyone would have expected, and hence they now expect the company to evolve and expand into other businesses.
Mammoth Jones
Member
PotatoeMasher said:
It's about charging 40 dollars for every and all games on the system. It's about their almost non existent and overpriced digital distribution platform. There's NO reason Plants vs Zombies should cost 6 bucks on the 3DS when it's 99c on iOS. None.
Adapt or die. I'm not saying start porting for iOS. Because that's suicide for Nintendo. But they have GOT to embrace the markets they wish to sell their games in. They need to have top tier 40 dollar Mario games. But they ALSO need to create an "app store ecosystem" that supports smaller, independent developers to quickly and cheaply port their iOS offerings to a NINTENDO system for maximize exposure. Just like iOS started and games were on that and slowly we see those same games on Android. What needs to happen now is seeing those games on iOS, Android, *and* the 3DS.
StoppedInTracks
Member
StickSoldier said:
Not seeing a problem does not mean it's not there you know.
What is funny is that on a scale of 0 to 100 in the mainstream media Nintendo is perceived as 0, or close to 0, while Applie is 100, or close to 100.
Methinks Nintendo should adapt ASAP.
sonikokaruto
Banned
The people comenting that nintendo is doomed are old farts who wanna spend 200 on a console and 0-1 dollars per game for their sons.
Cheapskates.
(´･_･`)
Cheapskates.
(´･_･`)
StickSoldier
Member
Foffy said:
Seriously, it seems that every major game that they get isn't enough. These games DO sell consoles, and that's what they are going to do. Mario Kart, Mario Land, Monhon 3g + 4, RE:R, KH3D, and plenty of more games coming out that will push the console.
Aaron Strife
Banned
This reminds me of that one article some mom wrote about how Sony won E3 because her son (the gaming expert) was going to sell his 360 to buy a PS3 so he could play MGS4.
I think the control dock thingy is a bit of a blunder but who cares? If people want to play KH, MonHun, RE, MGS, etc. they'll buy it. And there's totally a market for those games.
I think the control dock thingy is a bit of a blunder but who cares? If people want to play KH, MonHun, RE, MGS, etc. they'll buy it. And there's totally a market for those games.
StoppedInTracks
Member
Remember back in the 90s? There were Game Boys and ALL the rest like Lynx, Game Gear etc. The rest was pretty much invisible, non-existant to mainstream media. If they noticed them then only to say they suck.
Now Apple is like Nintendo in the 90s when it comes to handhelds. Everything else but iPhones and iPads sucks according to the press.
Now Apple is like Nintendo in the 90s when it comes to handhelds. Everything else but iPhones and iPads sucks according to the press.
Mammoth Jones
Member
StevieP said:
Read it. And if you think Wii Fit, Wii Music..etc are meant to appeal to core gamers then you and I simply disagree as to the definition of "core" gamer.
Let's just leave it at that.
funkystudent said:
Correct.
"And its reluctance to evolve is suicidal." -- Pretty much describes Yahoo to a T.
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/09/07/pm-why-yahoo-is-struggling/
yurinka
Member
I agree that 3DS won't match DS lifetime sales and that 3DS will loose a huge market share against Vita and mobile phones. I also agree that WiiU will sell less LTD than current HD consoles and maybe even less than PS4/X720.
But Nintendo still will be supported by their millions of fans and will see good profit. Not as insanely huge as they had with DS and Wii, but way better than other companies.
After the pricecut and the 2nd analog, now 3DS just need games that sell a lot. In Japan is going to have 2 Monster Hunters, and worldwide is going to have Mario and Mario Kart soon. These statements like the one quoted in the OP are stupid as it was "PSP is a failure".
But Nintendo still will be supported by their millions of fans and will see good profit. Not as insanely huge as they had with DS and Wii, but way better than other companies.
After the pricecut and the 2nd analog, now 3DS just need games that sell a lot. In Japan is going to have 2 Monster Hunters, and worldwide is going to have Mario and Mario Kart soon. These statements like the one quoted in the OP are stupid as it was "PSP is a failure".
I agree with Mario games, but Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter only sell a lot of games and consoles in Japan. RE and KH sell well but don't move consoles.StickSoldier said:
Meier said:
Fad. Would have reached greater audience on iOS. Temporary success on a dying platform. Core gaming's last breath. iOS total 'sales' out performed 3DS. No Mario titles in the near future to save Nintendo. Why does Nintendo hate money, bring it to iOS too. etc
michaeltraps
Member
It's absolutely shocking that investors legitimately believe that Nintendo will miss sales targets this holiday season.
Watch the WiiU lose the buttons, and have the console itself stuffed into the controller. Voila - Nintendo Tablet!
Sure, it would be nice if Nintendo (and others) price games more variably. It would be nice if Nintendo opened up development. It also would be very nice if Nintendo made more use out of online functionality, and sure why not, social media.
The thing that I'd never accept though, are the loss of physical buttons, and the loss of "traditional" games.
Sure, it would be nice if Nintendo (and others) price games more variably. It would be nice if Nintendo opened up development. It also would be very nice if Nintendo made more use out of online functionality, and sure why not, social media.
The thing that I'd never accept though, are the loss of physical buttons, and the loss of "traditional" games.
I'm not sure why you think that just because it's a sequel to a pre existing game it won't be able to drive up hardware, by both getting people who enjoyed the prequel and new gamers.Amir0x said:
It can work like a Nintendogs type scenario, where many different factors played against it, or work like Rhythm Tengoku Gold where it's sequel more than quadrupled the sales if the original. A sequel can indeed bring in new people, but I understand what you means that none of this games will serve as a sole catalyst to expand the userbase like the first Nintendogs did.
The only games that have had that selling power have been Nintendogs, Brain Age, Wii Sports and Wii Fit really, but I don't understand why you're dismissing them outright.
yurinka
Member
You missed a couple of sentences:EvilMario said:
Mario in iOS would have looses because selling some hundreds of thousands of PAID $0.99 copies isn't enough to pay games with this budget. Only casual shovelware will move from portables to phones, because bigger games only can monetize with this business model, need proper controls and a certain game size barely acceptable for 8GB devices.
Insane profits and hundreds of million people playing them, I think.BroHuffman said:
