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Nintendo's 76th Annual General Meeting of Shareholders | June 29, 10 a.m. JST
Smiles and Cries
Member
I wonder how GAF will feel after NX gimmick reveal
I think Miyamoto over did the fear of being copied excuse
I don't think Sony and Microsoft really cares, they are already deep into trying to boost their hardware specs for VR and 4K I doubt they are just going to add Nintendo's new thing to the mix. Unless Nintendo is worried about a newer challenger entering the market copying something that has not even been proven as a successful fad.
I guess saying our much weaker hardware is not ready yet, we are trying to find a cheap safe way to add VR to it without the pornz. Would not play well
I think Miyamoto over did the fear of being copied excuse
I don't think Sony and Microsoft really cares, they are already deep into trying to boost their hardware specs for VR and 4K I doubt they are just going to add Nintendo's new thing to the mix. Unless Nintendo is worried about a newer challenger entering the market copying something that has not even been proven as a successful fad.
I guess saying our much weaker hardware is not ready yet, we are trying to find a cheap safe way to add VR to it without the pornz. Would not play well
Otakumegane
Member
Nintendo is really good at reusing assets. I expected this.
I expect more physics based platforming in the next Mario as well.
I expect more physics based platforming in the next Mario as well.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
That's why I don't think they'll have a gimmick.
Having said that, my theory of a hybrid kinda means there's nothing to copy. Sony already has a portable that can be played on a TV and Microsoft will soon have streaming to mobile/tablet.
Also, Microsoft and Sony won't be whipping up a new handheld in 9 months. I think this is just a smokescreen. Nintendo are probably still trying to get better battery tech in.
The thought of 3d mario with BOTW physics engine got me like:
Now toss that idea in with a CPU 4-5x as fast as Wii U's and a GPU at least 2x as fast (since GPGPU was certainly being used).
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Well Monolith has been confirmed to assisting in development. I'm sure they're at least using lessons they learned from that game
Doubtful.
SS
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Unconfirmed Member
I'm picturing the same game but at 120fps
The thought of 3d mario with BOTW physics engine got me like:
Open world Mario akin to Super Mario 64?! The NX has some serious potential!
Maybe they could reuse the engine in a Open World Pokemon game?
Schnozberry
Member
We'll see quite a bit of coordinated Central Bank action between now and the NX release. I don't see the Yen staying strong against the Euro , Pound and Dollar long term once people calm down about the Brexit vote. The worst of the market volatility will be over the next 6 months while the Brits start pivoting towards Article 50 and negotiating their way out of the EU (if it happens at all) and into trade agreements. The US is already starting to soften on the negotiations, and I'd assume others won't want to lose access to UK Markets as well.
Does development duration really indicate expense?
Wouldn't a game that's rushed to make a 2 or 3 year deadline, hiring all sorts of expensive contract workers, cost more than a game that takes its time over 5+ years, has a bit more freedom to delay here and there and uses mostly in-house staff? I imagine they are frequently applying staff who are not necessarily experts in particular areas of development who will work things out more slowly.
I think whomever it was here who said that their new idea is using some existing off-the-shelf tech from another sector that hasn't been applied to video games before is probably onto something. That would explain why they think it could be so easily copied.
AcademicSaucer
Member
The thought of 3d mario with BOTW physics engine got me like:
Mario with ragdoll physics?
I wonder how GAF will feel after NX gimmick reveal
I think Miyamoto over did the fear of being copied excuse
I don't think Sony and Microsoft really cares, they are already deep into trying to boost their hardware specs for VR and 4K I doubt they are just going to add Nintendo's new thing to the mix. Unless Nintendo is worried about a newer challenger entering the market copying something that has not even been proven as a successful fad.
I guess saying our much weaker hardware is not ready yet, we are trying to find a cheap safe way to add VR to it without the pornz. Would not play well
People say this a lot and yet Sony has a history of copying. I think people project their own feelings here. Like...you don't care about the "gimmick" so why should Sony or Microsoft. I mean that's my look on it anyways. What do I know lol
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Deleted member 465307
Unconfirmed Member
Twilight Princess got Crossbow Training, which must have been a huge source of profit for them. I wonder what BOTW's in-engine spinoff game could be. I guess it might depend on whatever the NX's gimmick is.
hawthorneluke
Neo Member
The bit about them planning to release 5 smart phone games up until March is interesting.
https://twitter.com/Cheesemeister3k/status/747973265071583232
Barely any info on any of them yet, even with E3 just passing but suddenly there's going to be a sort of flood of them from now to March?
The NX was also absent from E3, with a planned March release...
This sounds very related to me.
There was also the statement about these smartphone games not needing a controller though...
https://twitter.com/Cheesemeister3k/status/747972436033843200
Obviously the NX will have at least a normal-ish controller for Zelda, but those rumours about them tying everything together to make development on multiple devices easy sounds even more like it may be correct (if not obvious for home/handheld consoles), but may now also include smartphone development.
https://twitter.com/Cheesemeister3k/status/747973265071583232
Barely any info on any of them yet, even with E3 just passing but suddenly there's going to be a sort of flood of them from now to March?
The NX was also absent from E3, with a planned March release...
This sounds very related to me.
There was also the statement about these smartphone games not needing a controller though...
https://twitter.com/Cheesemeister3k/status/747972436033843200
Obviously the NX will have at least a normal-ish controller for Zelda, but those rumours about them tying everything together to make development on multiple devices easy sounds even more like it may be correct (if not obvious for home/handheld consoles), but may now also include smartphone development.
WiiRevolution1
Member
Ah, thats right. So its likely not any of the patents now that I think about it.
It could be anything.
Its everything.
The fear of imitators thing is dumb as fuck. Not only has every Sony/MS copy of Nintendo outright failed (PS Move/Invizimals/those dumb Xbox avatars), but it's not like they would have even delayed the "copy" that long.
Nintendo is going to release the NX as a mystery box I guess.
Nintendo is going to release the NX as a mystery box I guess.
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Deleted member 465307
Unconfirmed Member
The 5 smartphone games by March 2017 has been the plan since we first got real details about the mobile initiative (Destructoid article from July 2015). We know Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing are releasing this year, so I'm guessing we'll see at least one of the remaining two in February or March 2017 (could tie into an NX game via My Nintendo) and the other in late 2016 or early 2017.
Nintendo NX - Exclusive to Lootcrate
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
They obviously have something up their sleeve that they view as a trump card and a major differentiation between Sony and MS. What it is, we don't know but I wouldn't dismiss the statement outright.
hawthorneluke
Neo Member
Yeah, I just found it interesting that 1. Both are "ready for March" and 2. Both have yet to be revealed properly even though we've just had E3 and not loads of time left.
Then again, March being the end of the fiscal year could also be a big player I guess.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
It wont be dumb or smart until we see it. Sony or MS not their only competitors anymore. Anyone could steal the idea. Any tablet, console, chromecast, streaming device can borrow the idea or whatever.
Schnozberry
Member
I'm not sure why it's dumb. From where Nintendo stands in terms of market position, I can see why they'd want to protect what they perceive as a novel market differentiator. Especially if whatever it is can be reverse engineered without the need to license Nintendo proprietary technology. Gaining a window of exclusivity by coming to market with whatever tech this is first could make or break the NX.
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Deleted member 465307
Unconfirmed Member
I believe Nintendo commented previously that they don't see E3 as a time to discuss mobile. Similarly, if I remember correctly, none of the mobile info has come out through Directs. Their communication about mobile has been different than most of their other announcements. I believe they see the mobile hype cycle as being much shorter and not aimed at their dedicated fans, so we get info much closer to release and differently.
All of that said, we know very little about NX and the mobile stuff, so anything is possible.
GhostTrick
Banned
True. But then again, I prefered Kimishima's excuse related to games. NX show being delayed for a gimmick better means it's a good gimmick.
GhostTrick
Banned
It wont. There's no more gimmick making that possible. Unless it's another natural transition from controls such as Wiimote or Touchscreen.
But what will make or break NX will be the first unveil and the games.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Keep in mind, Nintendo probably doesn't mean that whatever they have going on with the NX is probably a mind blowing revolution like the Wii was but something that can spark a "Oh why haven't we thought of that before." response in competitors.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Maybe he said if VR is in their Long, Medium, or Short-term goals.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Well just consider both excuses. Its not impossible. Besides this miyamoto excuse was already said before by Iwata. Not sure why yall acting like its new.
Schnozberry
Member
That's certainly part of it, but Nintendo's strategy is laser focused on creating things that differentiate them from competitors. The Blue Ocean strategy seems hard coded into their DNA now, and it's all about market disruption and cost control. I also find it kind of odd that so many people are dismissing the idea of another innovation out of hand. It seems people have come to this conclusion because our collective GAF Brainpower can't imagine another successful out of the box concept. Nintendo may very well have thought of something that we haven't.
It doesn't have to be some convoluted control innovation either. It might just be some other way of adding value that we aren't thinking of.
Miyamoto says this every console cycle.
GhostTrick
Banned
The blue ocean will happen with a distinct, different and wealthy ecosystem of games. Basically Nintendo will have to make up for the total lack of western AAA 3rd party publisher support by offering an amazing 1st party offering and 3rd party partnership.
Not with a different controller.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Wii U was shown way before its release
Pokemon Go should be due soon. Aside from that Maybe a Temple Run clone staring Zelda Characters. It worked well for square enix and Lara croft
That doesn't count as one of the 4...does it?
ShockingAlberto
Member
March is the end of their FY
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
And a bunch of "second screen" functionality was shown off by Sony and Microsoft as a result. When the Wii U proved to be a non-starter all these second screen gimmicks quickly dried up.
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Deleted member 465307
Unconfirmed Member
Five apps by March 2017, with Miitomo released, Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing on the horizon, and two more mystery apps. Expect the reveal-to-release timelines to be short for all of them.
You might already be aware of this, but Pokémon GO is not part of the five-game DeNA plan. That's an extra game on the side made with Niantic.
Schnozberry
Member
The controller isn't the only part of the experience that could be subject to innovation.
Compelling software is a given. Wii U Software output was generally excellent, they just needed more of it at regular intervals. The third party partnerships they entered into also delivered some memorable games, and it seems like they are keen on using their IP that way in the future. The biggest question remaining is if their internal restructuring can resolve the issue with software droughts. I'm guessing their hope is that Zelda will drive the initial install base of NX so that third parties can join the platform with a level of confidence.
Kissenkopf
Banned
Hm, not really tbh.
But I wonder what the special thing will be with the NX that they can't talk about it even 9 months before the release of the console. Must be very simple to copy. ;P
GhostTrick
Banned
It wasn't. That's why Wii U failed harder than GameCube. Software output has been the worst from all their consoles.
Software drought can only be fixed with a unified ecosystem in which all of their games are cross compatible with their handheld and home console. Either that or huge expansion in term of workforce.