MMaRsu
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It blows my mind that he is Lily Allen's brother. Granted she is not the prettiest girl out there, but she is not the ugliest neither.
I mean, wut?
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Funky Papa
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I was surprised when I watched the movie 'Elizabeth' recently and saw both of their names in the credits. Apparently their mom was a producer of the movie.
What? Cersei does certainly despsise her little brother, but Jaime loves him, and it is shown on numerous occasions in the show. For Jaime to attack Ned head-on in the streets about it was absolutly reckless and stupid, it was a purely emotionnal reaction, not something done for the greater interest of his family (which would rather be the attitude of Tywin, which has no love for his littlest son, but would do anything to protect his family's standing and reputation, including raising and helping his least loved child).
He does look better in real life.
Tyrion is not liked by his siblings or father.
Those weren't indications of love, but honor and a hatred for Ned. Jaime may like him more I guess (There's actually very little interaction between them beyond the 1st episode), but Tyrion is a disgrace to the whole Lannister clan since (Before being the Hand or actually before being arrested which I think is what changed him), he was a drunk and he was the dwarf who killed their mother and Tywin's wife.
Framing him for the murder wouldn't have been surprising to me, but there also would not have been an expectation that a Lannister would suffer any great dishonor anyway. The only ones that would be in trouble would be Jaime & Cercei for the incest.
GentlemanCrow
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It doesn't come across in the show but Jamie loves and looks up to Tyrion, much to Cercei's disapproval. He respects him because of his intellect and feels lesser due to being mainly skilled in swordplay.
I was just talking about it from the show's angle. I think in the premier episode, they do show their relationship pretty well and it's one where Jaime holds no particular ill will toward him, but obviously doesn't love him as much as Cercei lol.
That's also why I assumed it was Cercei, not Jaime, who hired the assassin. At the same time, I don't think Jaime cared to implicate his brother since it would be a longshot that there would be enough evidence to actually charge him (There wasn't, but that didn't stop Cat).
I never viewed it as close, but there really is too little interaction between them to judge. Tyrion more often comes across as someone you are forced to deal with since he doesn't back down. Tywin, who does dislike him (He may like him more after he went to war), went to war for him.
ElectricBlue187
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I'm going to start using that phrase as often as possible now
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Honor for a Lannister is not killing another high-ranked Noble in the streets as a show-off. They are certainly not "bothered" by un-ethical actions, but they are still quite concerned about their image. I still see it as a rageous reaction to his brother's capture.
I agree there weren't many interactions, but some evidence are good indication for me (like the story Tyrion tells about Jaime offering him his first "woman" when they were adolescent, I don't think that the fact it turned bad was intended by Jaime and that the "lesson" from his father is rather linked to the fact that he wanted to make him understand that there Tyrion should not let himself go for a "simple" prostitute as a noble man).
Well, I'm not in Jaime's mind anyway, but that's my impression so far
.Also, Im quite sure there is a moment, when Tyrion (presumably when he is visiting the Wall) talks about the fact that his sister hates him while his brother strangely likes him despite his condition.
Oh well, we might never know if Jaime's fate is to see the last of his days in Stark's custody (which I hope he won't, I find him an interesting character that is still a bit un-explored compared to his sibblings).
If it doesn't come across in the show, then he doesn't love him.
Nope. Lost cause.
I'll try not to ever read it again.
Funky Papa
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If you think this thread is bad, you shouldn't venture into the official one. Some people no longer give a toss about spoiler tags. At least you are moderately safe here.
It comes across in the show, just not in an "in-your-face" kind of way (hhmm I wonder, should HBO make Jaime bang Tyrion to show it? They'd probably consider it
).Their image was in tact because 1. Ned quit as The Hand & 2. The Starks started the disrespect by arresting Tyrion without cause.
The conversations between Ned & Jaime were clear indication that all that was need between them was a spark to be set off & Tyrion's arrest was a great one.
Well, I see that but also think it's still a relationship based on pity and love is definitely ranked in the Lannister clan with Tyrion being squarely at the bottom. Again, the circumstances surrounding the dagger were not anticipated. The dagger was expensive and was good enough reason to use for the assasination attempt. No one was supposed to find it or figure out who it belonged to (Littlefinger in a bet with Tyrion. What are the odds of that?).I agree there weren't many interactions, but some evidence are good indication for me (like the story Tyrion tells about Jaime offering him his first "woman" when they were adolescent, I don't think that the fact it turned bad was intended by Jaime and that the "lesson" from his father is rather linked to the fact that he wanted to make him understand that there Tyrion should not let himself go for a "simple" prostitute as a noble man).
Well, I'm not in Jaime's mind anyway, but that's my impression so far
So even if Jaime loves his brother, it was still understandable if he gave the knife for payment (Tyrion wouldn't appear to care enough to notice)
I like Jaime's character too and the hooker story was interesting. I can't imagine it ending wth him in prison (Just like it's hard for me to imagine Robb coming out ahead in the end).
It makes his relationship with Cercei more interesting too since Cercei has been sleeping with her cousin for quite soeme time as well as Jaime & the late king Robert.
That bit is something I am very curious about. There is no indication that Jaime is "unfaithfull" to his sister and truely seem to have a dedicated love toward her. So I wonder what his reaction towar Cersei would be if he were to find out some of her secrecy.
I see Jaime as a bit of a fool in this story. He is probably the most candid/True to his emotions of the Lannisters (that does not make him less of an assh*le when he wants to) and I pitty him.
Cersei loves him, she made it quite clear but she has probably not the same respect (sleeping with cousin and all).
No, you're obviously a book reader "reading between the lines" things that have really only been said or implied in the books:It comes across in the show, just not in an "in-your-face" kind of way (hhmm I wonder, should HBO make Jaime bang Tyrion to show it? They'd probably consider it
Maybe so. It is true that I have read the first book (not the second) and have claimed it openly and it is maybe shading my vision of the series in a different color. The thing is, I read the first book after seeing season 1 (and will do the same for the second) and upon completion of first season, not having touched the book yet, I was already convinced that Jaime loved his brother (Edit : but I cannot exclude that this feeling might have been strengthened by my reading).
Look, I don't want you to be banned or anything, but your opinions are tainted. Maybe you can completely separate the book and the shows -- they are not the same thing -- but I find that incredibly hard to do. You'll most likely, even if unconsciously, speak from the perspective of the books -- as it seems you've been doing.
faulty_fork
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Jamie gave Tyrion three (!) hookers in the first episode, isn't that love?
I understand that, I have absolutely no intention to do so. I felt it pretty safe to post here as I did not read second book yet and could therefore hardly spoil anything for any viewer but I don't want to bring input that might point to differences between books and the show.
I'm pretty enthusiastic about the show but I don't feel safe to discuss it in the other threads by fear of being spoiled myself (which has already been the case on a few things unfortunately, nothing major thankfully) and I'm still kinda happy to be able to participate to predictions and interpretations discussion around here.
Yet if other viewers think that it might be better off to leave any of those on the side to let them be "pure" about any background data, I can do that, I perfectly understand it. I can keep it down to the "Cool Ep", "was not expecting that" or "can't wait for next week".
Yet if other viewers think that it might be better off to leave any of those on the side to let them be "pure" about any background data, I can do that, I perfectly understand it. I can keep it down to the "Cool Ep", "was not expecting that" or "can't wait for next week".
Most of us book readers have been asked to stay out of posting in this thread so it may be for the best right now.
The things he does for love.
Yeah, I will certainly do that, too much of a hassle to ponder every post to make sure that my views are not tainted by the book reading.
Quite Frustrating though, as I am as new to the events in season 2 as any non-book reader and would like to discuss those specifically.
What a mess would it be to have a thread for each step of the book-reading progression ("Thread of NON-book spoiler past book 1 for viewers of Season 2" there might be 3 to 4 participants there w00t!).
SEE!! It's in the show
I just lurk the thread now (well, besides that last post and this one). It's basically the "safest" option for the non-book readers to just not have the book readers around since someone may screw up and ruin things for others (either intentionally or accidentally).
Maybe there's an eventual better solution but, for the time being, I'd say just operate under that and hope for the best regarding spoilers in the other thread.
ElectricBlue187
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I got the impression that Jamie tolerates Tyrion's proclivities and probably respects his intellect more than the other Lannisters but I don't get the impression that he looks up to Tyrion or loves him over much. Didn't he say Tyrion was the "least of us?" or was that Tywin?
Chuckie
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That was Tywin, talking to Jamie.
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The music during his baptism is pretty great. Actually, it was during the last episode that I realised that each nation has its own theme.
It blows my mind that he is Lily Allen's brother. Granted she is not the prettiest girl out there, but she is not the ugliest neither.
I mean, wut?
She should have been cast as Yara.
Joe Shlabotnik
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That was a weirdly beefcakey scene between an ostensible late-teenager and pre-teen.
i remember when ned died and i thought the show would have a massive hole in it
I thought he was the main character and that Sean Bean finally found something he wouldn't die in. Main characters don't die, right?
I was wrong.
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i remember when ned died and i thought the show would have a massive hole in it
I'm surprised HBO didn't market Tyrion as the main character for this season. He is hugely popular with viewers.
man of science
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Ned was a meme-worthy fool.
I posted this in the other thread, but it feels like a minefield in there and not very enjoyable to me because most of the text is behind black bars.
I wish the wolves were talked about more. It seems like they are barely even acknowledged except for Robb's. So far I haven't heard of any encounters with wild ones much less anyone else having one as a pet, so I would think it is unusual enough for characters in the show to comment on more often. Specifically, it seems no one gives a shit that snow has a giant wolf buddy. It's unclear to me if the party he's with thinks it is dangerous to have around, if it is awesome, if it is no big deal, if it is wtf, if they have mixed feelings, or what. I understand why they can't show them often, but I wish I knew what the general attitude towards them is.
I wish the wolves were talked about more. It seems like they are barely even acknowledged except for Robb's. So far I haven't heard of any encounters with wild ones much less anyone else having one as a pet, so I would think it is unusual enough for characters in the show to comment on more often. Specifically, it seems no one gives a shit that snow has a giant wolf buddy. It's unclear to me if the party he's with thinks it is dangerous to have around, if it is awesome, if it is no big deal, if it is wtf, if they have mixed feelings, or what. I understand why they can't show them often, but I wish I knew what the general attitude towards them is.
ElectricBlue187
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I was thinking about that too, did he leave Snow back at the wall? Why haven't we seen Snow at all? But they do talk about Robb's wolf all the time, its like his defining feature
edit: actually I take that back we did see Snow for like 3 seconds when the daughterwife got growled at and fatso shooed him away.
I remember reading somewhere else that you can see him in one of the shots. Just checked and around 28 mins in you can see him when they're setting up the camp.
That's the one I want to know about, but she released it pretty firmly last season so maybe the link was broken. I hope not.
I'm thinking that Snow has been on the Wall long enough that people are just used to Ghost being around and doing as he pleases since he's so loyal to Jon.
BTW, this dude...
is a total creep. From his eyes to his voice, he seems like a naturally unsettling fellow. Brrr.
My first thought when I saw him:
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