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NPD will no longer release monthly hardware/software unit sales
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Thunder Monkey
Banned
Though we have been known to talk about other things in the past.EviLore said:
They talk about their genitals and sex a lot.
In fact I'm pretty sure I read something about a squirrel penis in this very thread. We are very open with one another.
I <3 GAF.
Cygnus X-1
Member
EviLore said:
Exactly. I understand NPD decision. Indeed, they are not making expensive research for us. But still, sales remain one of the most prominent ways to understand better the tastes of the mass market to a certain product. I still think it was an important addition to the Forum.
But anyway, if Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony decide to publish their own numbers, NPD stated that they're not against it. Thus, I suspect that more or less we will get the numbers eventually.
Edit: by the way, how can we know now if Move bombed or not?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Usually it's "Your tail is tickling my taint."Vagabundo said:
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
not having NPD is terrible for only one reason. we will have statistics instead
yeaaaaaarghhhh!!!!!!!
yeaaaaaarghhhh!!!!!!!
manzo
Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
Cue in lots of: ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE AT MY LOCAL GAMECUBE HUT
;_;
NPDs were my favourite Saturday morning moments. Make a nice breakfast, big jug of coffee, lie down on the sofa with the laptop and 3 hours of slow reading.
WHAT WILL I DO NOW, MAKE LOVE WITH MY WIFE? FUCK THAT I NEED MY NUMBERS. ;_;
AdventureRacing
Member
What i don't understand is why people who aren't interested in sales age are applauding this.
Does it really hurt you that other people enjoy discussing sales numbers? You don't have to read it and it doesn't affect you in anyway. There are very few actual topics that discuss sales so it's not like sales age is cluttering the forum.
The only reason i can think of why people act that way is because they are selfish and/or they don't like what the data says.
Anyone who thinks this will end fanboy sales age discussion is also kidding themselves. Just compare the discussion in pal charts threads to that in media create threads to get all the evidence you need.
Does it really hurt you that other people enjoy discussing sales numbers? You don't have to read it and it doesn't affect you in anyway. There are very few actual topics that discuss sales so it's not like sales age is cluttering the forum.
The only reason i can think of why people act that way is because they are selfish and/or they don't like what the data says.
Anyone who thinks this will end fanboy sales age discussion is also kidding themselves. Just compare the discussion in pal charts threads to that in media create threads to get all the evidence you need.
AdventureRacing said:
When it [rains], it [pours].
When it [sales figures], it [Sales Age GAF who never even play games anymore but would rather talk about sales all the time].
When something pisses you off you're likely to have an inflated view of it. Happens all the time, but I wish people would take a step back sometimes and see the board as a whole does not revolve around Sales Age and there are a hundred bloomin' topics about regular gaming to go to. Sure it got a little crazy during NPD day but that's just once a month, and now it's not even going to be that.
AdventureRacing
Member
SovanJedi said:
This is one of the main complaints i see leveled at sales age posters but i don't think it is true in any way. Most of the regulars in sales age buy and play plenty of games.
Again though i don't see why that would matter anyway. If people prefer discussing sales of games rather than games themselves why does that matter? People don't have to read it and if they aren't interested it doesn't affect them in anyway.
I also think it would be quite difficult to post in sales age threads all the time. Media create and pal chart threads are only weekly and NPD threads were monthly occurences.
Take right now for instance. Not one of these threads is on the front page and i don't think there is a single thread even discussing sales (except this one and maybe the one about the PSP price drop if that counts).
Gram Negative Cocci
Member
AdventureRacing said:
To be fair, some people take simple data points and set up these weird validation loops. This proletariat thing you like is super popular which means it sucks. This isoteric thing I like is doing alright which means it rocks. Can be obnoxious.
CaseyTappy
Member
So VGC**** wont be able to correct their faulty numbers anymore to NDP , this means they will be right all the time :lol
AdventureRacing
Member
Gram Negative Cocci said:
All of which will still happen with or without actual data to discuss, in fact having less data can make it even more of a problem (as people can just make shit up).
Meus Renaissance
Member
The community vibe from GAF comes from the reactions that ensues the monthly figures. People looked forward to it. The forum wasn't based on the numbers (just look at the threads), but it was a unique monthly event which drew everyone's interest for at least a day. In that sense the site will lose a big part of its identity to members and lurkers alike. The sales themselves exposed the political and financial aspects to gaming and gave us an insight into the industry itself. What the figures in the public did, perhaps unlike any other domain of debate or interest, is give us the raw data in contrast to the vague comments, spin and PR dished out by executives in interviews and statements.
The biggest thing to come from this will be the misinformation that people will try to use daily to show that so and so's console is selling better and game X is a bigger hit than game Y.
I'd argue this single decision is going to clog up NeoGAF worse than ever with threads that have all sorts of erroneous conclusions and discussion because no one will have any solid data to work from. Or worse, numbers from a place like Chartz will be quickly accepted as "real" because what else is there to work from?
Again, this is probably what some of the publishers want. They're probably not happy being perceived as a "loser" month after month and in our glorious country I'm sure you can purchase the means to shut off the valve of information.
I guess the real question now is what will EviLore do if data is posted here and claimed to be legit?
I'd argue this single decision is going to clog up NeoGAF worse than ever with threads that have all sorts of erroneous conclusions and discussion because no one will have any solid data to work from. Or worse, numbers from a place like Chartz will be quickly accepted as "real" because what else is there to work from?
Again, this is probably what some of the publishers want. They're probably not happy being perceived as a "loser" month after month and in our glorious country I'm sure you can purchase the means to shut off the valve of information.
I guess the real question now is what will EviLore do if data is posted here and claimed to be legit?
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
Well, I hope people don't go crazy and start playing games or something.
Some thing are right. Some things are not right.
AdventureRacing said:
Some thing are right. Some things are not right.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I know a good way to get real numbers.
I heard S&P2 sold five million copies.
PROVE ME WRONG, NINTENDO
wait, don't, that will just depress me.
I heard S&P2 sold five million copies.
PROVE ME WRONG, NINTENDO
wait, don't, that will just depress me.
Psychotext
Member
This wont end well.
Post above the one above mine
Infinite Justice
Member
Letters said:Kinect's release has been rendered completely uninteresting for me now. I was really looking forward to the gaf rage.
it could still happen if MS wants to release their numbers.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
If you guys want, I could go work for Best Buy again...those numbers proved to be pretty damn accurate as for extrapolation of the nation.
AlucarD.eq
Member
It will actually miss that, Sometimes if you like the industry not only as a fan form A o B company, the NPD threads are a really good source of info :S
Great Rumbler
Member
I'll miss browsing through the numbers, but I can't say that I'll miss the rampant chest-thumping, back-slapping, ego-massaging, and spinning that went along with them.
Not that the latter is actually going anywhere, of course.
Not that the latter is actually going anywhere, of course.
FunkyPajamas
Member
Holy shit at Cahill's meltdown. Account martyr.
On Topic: I've never been a sales-age kind of guy (though I've followed the threads from time to time), so my question is probably going to be a bit dumb and for that I apologize:
I'm guessing publishers provide shipped numbers to NPD, and NPD gets sales numbers from major retailers? If that's the case, how come NPD is the only company doing this tracking? Couldn't publishers request sold-through numbers from their retail channels?
On Topic: I've never been a sales-age kind of guy (though I've followed the threads from time to time), so my question is probably going to be a bit dumb and for that I apologize:
I'm guessing publishers provide shipped numbers to NPD, and NPD gets sales numbers from major retailers? If that's the case, how come NPD is the only company doing this tracking? Couldn't publishers request sold-through numbers from their retail channels?
Nintendo has their own retail tracking system, though I assume that only deals with hardware (unique barcodes and the like). I assume most publishers do some sort of internal tracking based on shipments, reorders, spot checks, and whatnot. But NPD has the benefit of being an independent tracker, and a single outlet for retailers to opt to disclose data to, rather than sending data piecemeal to every individual publisher. Not to mention the main idea is not just to know how your product is selling, but also how competing or other products are selling as well.FunkyPajamas said:
I'm open to being corrected by someone more informed, though.
Haunted
Member
On the one hand, he should be a bit worried that he can't correct his own numbers once NPD hits as easily now. On the other hand, since fewer people know the actual numbers now, his made up bs should be even safer to spread. Being called out on his false numbers regularly didn't stop him, now he doesn't even have to be that worried about it.confuziz said:
Sloane had two accounts.Cahill said:
plagiarize
Banned
yeah. the facts may have upset some people, and may have been used as sledgehammers by others (but hey, facts are facts even if you don't like them) but they kept many people at bay.ghst said:
plus, NPD threads may have been massive but you know what? Sales AGE didn't really spill over into other threads.
SolarPowered
Member
Yep, nearly all threads in gaming side are going to go through a decline in quality since no one can be proven wrong(easily) anymore. It'll be like the trolling that the Wii threads have undergone, but on a forum wide scale.ghst said:
At least no one can tell me that my favorite games aren't best sellers anymore...
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
ShockingAlberto said:I know a good way to get real numbers.
I heard S&P2 sold five million copies.
PROVE ME WRONG, NINTENDO
wait, don't, that will just depress me.
FunkyPajamas
Member
I'm guessing citing or referencing false or unfounded sales data will be made bannable (just as citing tehchartz numbers is also bannable).SolarPowered said:Yep, nearly all threads in gaming side are going to go through a decline in quality since no one can be proven wrong(easily) anymore. It'll be like the trolling that the Wii threads have undergone, but on a forum wide scale.
At least no one can tell me that my favorite games aren't best sellers anymore...
So either we'll be "safe" or there will be a lot of bans coming.
The Praiseworthy
Member
This news bothered me... but I will survive .