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Nvidia Shield Thread
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Devilgunman
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$300? It's $200 too expensive for what is it.
This device doesn't need to move lots of units.
You doomsayers are placing console/handheld launch criteria on this, when it isn't anything close to one of those.
The games are already there. Android and PC will continue to make games whether or not this sells well. It's not some lossleading/subsidized piece of equipment.
You doomsayers are placing console/handheld launch criteria on this, when it isn't anything close to one of those.
The games are already there. Android and PC will continue to make games whether or not this sells well. It's not some lossleading/subsidized piece of equipment.
Here you go.
I found O&S to be easier than expected, I think I beat them on the 3rd or 4th try.
I used all my pyro on O, then lightning reinforced club +5 on S.
Manus however, beat me around for a full day. Good luck and praise the sun!
My thoughts exactly.
Vinsanity.
Member
I have a 600+ series card on my PC. Once this hits $150 I'm in!
(lol)
OK let me break it down and explain why I seriously and FULLY intend of getting an Nvidia Shield in the not too distant future:
A)I am *extremely* new to the whole smatphone scene. My dad found an HTC EVO 3D lying around and gave it to me no more than a couple weeks ago. This is the very first smartphone I have ever owned.
B)This HTC phone is pretty good but I simply cannot pair ANY physical gamepads to it unless it's rooted. Not going into detailed about what it takes to root this model phone, suffice it to say I'm not rooting it. End of story.
C)As a result of B, and discovering all the incredible Android games available on google play, but can't play them on this phone with a controller, frustration has ensued, and I want a kickass portable Android gaming device with a controller....ASAP!
E)I am a hardcore 2D retro gamer! I thrive off what's going on in the emulation scene and love playing old school 2D games. Seeing as how this Shield device is seemingly powerful enough to eat almost anything in MAME4Droid or RetroArch for breakfast, this is a no brainer purchase. The thought of having damn near the entire MAME catalog at my disposal on the go, gives me a serious hard-on.
F)I like niche products that offer something unique. No other smartphone or tablet comes with built in gamepad that from all accounts is rock solid!! I acknowledge that yes you *can* get a good handheld experience with a VITA or 3DS, but you can't run Android games and you can't run good emulators at full speed playing the more demanding games like Tekken 3, Mortal Kombat II, etc, like you can with the Shield. Plus the Vita in particular has practically NO games that interests me. On 3DS there's a few but that's it!
Given the above, the choice is clear, and I want one now!
To the haters in the thread....I kinda see where you guys are coming from, and understand why you wouldn't want this thing. It's because unlike me, you already have a decent smartphone and can already play your emulators and android games so why get a Shield?
Me on the other hand, I'm a n00b and I'm just getting my feet wet in smartphone gaming. So I figure why not go all out and get the best Android/portable emulator device there is?
Can't wait til I get mine
A)I am *extremely* new to the whole smatphone scene. My dad found an HTC EVO 3D lying around and gave it to me no more than a couple weeks ago. This is the very first smartphone I have ever owned.
B)This HTC phone is pretty good but I simply cannot pair ANY physical gamepads to it unless it's rooted. Not going into detailed about what it takes to root this model phone, suffice it to say I'm not rooting it. End of story.
C)As a result of B, and discovering all the incredible Android games available on google play, but can't play them on this phone with a controller, frustration has ensued, and I want a kickass portable Android gaming device with a controller....ASAP!
E)I am a hardcore 2D retro gamer! I thrive off what's going on in the emulation scene and love playing old school 2D games. Seeing as how this Shield device is seemingly powerful enough to eat almost anything in MAME4Droid or RetroArch for breakfast, this is a no brainer purchase. The thought of having damn near the entire MAME catalog at my disposal on the go, gives me a serious hard-on.
F)I like niche products that offer something unique. No other smartphone or tablet comes with built in gamepad that from all accounts is rock solid!! I acknowledge that yes you *can* get a good handheld experience with a VITA or 3DS, but you can't run Android games and you can't run good emulators at full speed playing the more demanding games like Tekken 3, Mortal Kombat II, etc, like you can with the Shield. Plus the Vita in particular has practically NO games that interests me. On 3DS there's a few but that's it!
Given the above, the choice is clear, and I want one now!
To the haters in the thread....I kinda see where you guys are coming from, and understand why you wouldn't want this thing. It's because unlike me, you already have a decent smartphone and can already play your emulators and android games so why get a Shield?
Me on the other hand, I'm a n00b and I'm just getting my feet wet in smartphone gaming. So I figure why not go all out and get the best Android/portable emulator device there is?
Can't wait til I get mine
They seem to really like it. Only complaint is the small screen.
OK let me break it down and explain why I seriously and FULLY intend of getting an Nvidia Shield in the not too distant future:
A)I am *extremely* new to the whole smatphone scene. My dad found an HTC EVO 3D lying around and gave it to me no more than a couple weeks ago. This is the very first smartphone I have ever owned.
B)This HTC phone is pretty good but I simply cannot pair ANY physical gamepads to it unless it's rooted. Not going into detailed about what it takes to root this model phone, suffice it to say I'm not rooting it. End of story.
C)As a result of B, and discovering all the incredible Android games available on google play, but can't play them on this phone with a controller, frustration has ensued, and I want a kickass portable Android gaming device with a controller....ASAP!
E)I am a hardcore 2D retro gamer! I thrive off what's going on in the emulation scene and love playing old school 2D games. Seeing as how this Shield device is seemingly powerful enough to eat almost anything in MAME4Droid or RetroArch for breakfast, this is a no brainer purchase. The thought of having damn near the entire MAME catalog at my disposal on the go, gives me a serious hard-on.
F)I like niche products that offer something unique. No other smartphone or tablet comes with built in gamepad that from all accounts is rock solid!! I acknowledge that yes you *can* get a good handheld experience with a VITA or 3DS, but you can't run Android games and you can't run good emulators at full speed playing the more demanding games like Tekken 3, Mortal Kombat II, etc, like you can with the Shield. Plus the Vita in particular has practically NO games that interests me. On 3DS there's a few but that's it!
Given the above, the choice is clear, and I want one now!
To the haters in the thread....I kinda see where you guys are coming from, and understand why you wouldn't want this thing. It's because unlike me, you already have a decent smartphone and can already play your emulators and android games so why get a Shield?
Me on the other hand, I'm a n00b and I'm just getting my feet wet in smartphone gaming. So I figure why not go all out and get the best Android/portable emulator device there is?
Can't wait til I get mine
I'm very noob with Android, but this may work for you? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313878
It says it's the official stock rom for 4.0.3 (Ice Cream Sandwich) with directions on how to install it. You should then be able to use PS360 controllers on it without having to root. Then just side-load (or buy?) emulators from the Google Play store. Again, not 100% sure this is a solution, but worth looking into and might save you $300.
Good luck.
ss_lemonade
Member
Looking at some of those benchmarks, looks like the new snapdragon 800 + adreno 330 is able to keep up and trade blows. Looking good for my upcoming phone upgrade lol (Galaxy Note 3).
Is there a reason why Nvidia didn't go with a higher resolution screen? Could it have affected streaming quality or boost the price even higher?
You don't really need to buy when you have retroarch in the play store (which supports pads like the DS3 out of the box with proper key mapping)
The Abominable Snowman
Member
2 questions:
1: Can you use this as a PC gaming controller?
2: Can it create a 'second screen' on the computer for multitasking or does it only mirror?
1: Can you use this as a PC gaming controller?
2: Can it create a 'second screen' on the computer for multitasking or does it only mirror?
I appreciate the reply and suggestion man, but I've already done enough research and discovered that the HTC EVO 3D just doesn't pair well with BT controllers, and it doesn't even support controllers via OTG cable, even when rooted. It's a really good smartphone, but with terrible controller support.
If anyone knows of an easy One-Click solution to root a vanilla S-On HTC EVO 3D with the current 1.58 Hboot firmware, I'd be interested in reading it.
pixelpushr
Neo Member
I'd only use the game streaming feature and I think it's too expensive for that.
Yeah well, on the emu topic, my two cents (I know you were all waiting for it, oh you...)
Beyond the evident appeal of a relatively powerful emu handeld, another thing just popped to mind. Personal experience (yeah again, I know... ( ,^_^)
I tried some years ago to play through an old game. No archaeological dig but still a very old game, that was never a looker even when it released. I stopped playing after some sessions and came to a disturbing conclusion. I felt some sort of cognitive dissonance when playing a very old game on a modern rig. I mean here I was playing some early 90's game on a 30" full hd monitor, an x360 pad in my hands, something felt really odd.
And I really think the smaller screen of the Shields might help in that area.
Not a matter of graphical whorism, I completed the first 2 Ultima on Gog, just an hunch that when talking about old games, the experience might be nicer on a more reasonable screen size.
Beyond the evident appeal of a relatively powerful emu handeld, another thing just popped to mind. Personal experience (yeah again, I know... ( ,^_^)
I tried some years ago to play through an old game. No archaeological dig but still a very old game, that was never a looker even when it released. I stopped playing after some sessions and came to a disturbing conclusion. I felt some sort of cognitive dissonance when playing a very old game on a modern rig. I mean here I was playing some early 90's game on a 30" full hd monitor, an x360 pad in my hands, something felt really odd.
And I really think the smaller screen of the Shields might help in that area.
Not a matter of graphical whorism, I completed the first 2 Ultima on Gog, just an hunch that when talking about old games, the experience might be nicer on a more reasonable screen size.
ss_lemonade
Member
Maybe you just need the right filters and overlays to make it look authentic? Here are some examples from the retroarch thread
The thing is, the Shield needs active cooling... Looks like Tegra 4 still lags behind.
cyberheater
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They really liked it. And I'm not surprised. If you've got the right kit; PC with new nVidia graphics card, or a drone then it's a great bit of kit.
Went and grabbed one from my local MicroCenter. So far, it's incredible from a hardware perspective...wow. Super solid and well-built. I haven't been able to get PC streaming working with either one of my PCs (thinking it's my AC network - I'm getting 2 bars because I'm on the other side of my house - still doing the initial charge on the Shield so hopefully it'll be good later)...so that is frustrating. Sonic is extremely impressive.
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EDIT: switched from my 5GHz network to a 2.4GHz network and now I have 3-4 bars - STILL unable to get any games working via streaming...haha. I've disabled my PCs firewall, connected/re-connected, etc. - I'm watching on my TV that my Shield is successfully launching and closing games based on commands I issue from the Shield but for some reason I can't get the games to connect so I can control them from the Shield. Not so great, so far!
EDIT2: I've even tried on two different PCs - 3930k/tri-SLI Titan and 2500k/780.
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EDIT: switched from my 5GHz network to a 2.4GHz network and now I have 3-4 bars - STILL unable to get any games working via streaming...haha. I've disabled my PCs firewall, connected/re-connected, etc. - I'm watching on my TV that my Shield is successfully launching and closing games based on commands I issue from the Shield but for some reason I can't get the games to connect so I can control them from the Shield. Not so great, so far!
EDIT2: I've even tried on two different PCs - 3930k/tri-SLI Titan and 2500k/780.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Bullshit.
It's fucking horrible, as far as lag is concerned it's unplayable past some turn based games.
It's auto rejecting because your PC's are too weak.
ss_lemonade
Member
Lol that sucks. Screen looks smaller than I imagined, or is the controller just really big? Reminds me of the OG xbox controllerWent and grabbed one from my local MicroCenter. So far, it's incredible from a hardware perspective...wow. Super solid and well-built. I haven't been able to get PC streaming working with either one of my PCs (thinking it's my AC network - I'm getting 2 bars because I'm on the other side of my house - still doing the initial charge on the Shield so hopefully it'll be good later)...so that is frustrating. Sonic is extremely impressive.
(click to enlarge)
EDIT: switched from my 5GHz network to a 2.4GHz network and now I have 3-4 bars - STILL unable to get any games working via streaming...haha. I've disabled my PCs firewall, connected/re-connected, etc. - I'm watching on my TV that my Shield is successfully launching and closing games based on commands I issue from the Shield but for some reason I can't get the games to connect so I can control them from the Shield. Not so great, so far!
EDIT2: I've even tried on two different PCs - 3930k/tri-SLI Titan and 2500k/780.
lol...probably.
I guess you need to be within like 10 feet of your router in order for it to work? WTF..lol. This thing is a joke. Once it is done fully charging I am going to test it out in my bedroom (room with router is next door) and if I can't connect then I'm returning this bad boy. What a ridiculous limitation.
Right now I'm streaming some music on it - sound quality is insane. Really nice for such a small device. Man, they really nailed the hardware on this!
Lighthouse
Member
This is the best piece of news one could hope for regarding this product. It may look like something designed by Razer, but its not built like one.
Also, just release shadow play already.
Darkmakaimura
Member
Can't wait to play Donkey King on this.
So, just verified I'm on 100% battery - so initial full charge complete. Proceeded to move to about 10 feet away from my router - launched games - no go.
Tried:
Borderlands 2
Metro: LL
Bioshock Infinite
WHAT A JOKE. Hopefully you guys don't run into these issues. I can game all day and all night on my boxes otherwise. They launch just fine on the screen of the PC. The only thing the Shield can do is open/close them successfully. It's like an overpriced, booty, remote control, lol.
Tried:
Borderlands 2
Metro: LL
Bioshock Infinite
WHAT A JOKE. Hopefully you guys don't run into these issues. I can game all day and all night on my boxes otherwise. They launch just fine on the screen of the PC. The only thing the Shield can do is open/close them successfully. It's like an overpriced, booty, remote control, lol.
alexandros
Banned
Nvidia has some setup guides on their Youtube channel, maybe take a look there and see if you're doing something wrong?
I went through all of the troubleshooting steps and followed the guides on the device itself. Everything works - just can't play the games on my device.
Trying NVIDIA's live chat...God help me.
EDIT: lol turns out I did not have NVIDIA Shield Update 50...when I checked the updates prior it said none available. This should fix it! I'll report back.
EDIT2: It's woooorking!! Man, this is great. I have my HTPC hooked up to my TV and I can literally play Borderlands 2 with the Shield as the controller while using the TV as the screen - the lag is that minimal!!! Sniping and all!
EDIT3: well, it has it's issues here and there. Not perfect. Hitches are surprisingly frequent. It's strange - moved closer to the router and it seems like things got a bit more hitchy.
Ultra Magnus
Member
Can someone who has a Sheild answer this
zephervack
Member
Answer is right above you.
Question! Can you stream ANY PC game or only a few nVidia selected games??! I want to play Euro Truck Sim and Dark Souls on this.
ColonelSkills
Member
Unfortunately, right now, just a few. If it was anything and everything it would be a good out-of-the-box streaming device.
With the limited selection it's kind of unfortunate.
mugurumakensei
Member
Only 15 have been thoroughly tested though a guy from Nvidia posted here and said he played through Dark Souls on Shield.
Dark Souls works - look earlier in the thread. You're not limited to just the supported games, but those are the ones thoroughly tested and "Shield approved."
This isn't the device for a non-early adopter. It's a bit rough from a software perspective right now...but for day 1 it is not that bad.
The Verge's review states they can get pretty much any game running when in Big Picture Mode that has controller support.
Used one for a while today, I'll be testing PC streaming tonight hopefully.
So far I'm impressed with the build quality of the device itself. The D-pad is ok, analogs are ok though, face buttons are just ok, and the triggers are good.
Screen looks great, very bright, good resolution. Games load quickly, and I did not experience noticeable lag when running multiple android games without closing them.
It's relatively heavy, and I would not want to lug it around in a bag.
Basically this is a decent couch device for people who like android games or would like to play their Steam library on their couch.
This is awesome.
So far I'm impressed with the build quality of the device itself. The D-pad is ok, analogs are ok though, face buttons are just ok, and the triggers are good.
Screen looks great, very bright, good resolution. Games load quickly, and I did not experience noticeable lag when running multiple android games without closing them.
It's relatively heavy, and I would not want to lug it around in a bag.
Basically this is a decent couch device for people who like android games or would like to play their Steam library on their couch.
This is awesome.
Ultra Magnus
Member
This was more in line with what I want to know. As long as it is Big Picture supported, in theory any game will work. Would I be correct in that statement?
Yes.
But *how well* it works is questionable.
It's kind of like SLI up until recent times.
I'll be testing this hopefully tonight though I may have to wait until the weekend. Either way, I'll post the results.
Not to get off topic, but why do you consider emulation piracy?
While I agree with you, this is a common misconception. Nintendo does a good job of explaining it here: http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp
I will say that there are legitimate uses for emulation.
Back on topic. Does anyone know if the speed of your GPU affects the streaming lag at all?
They own all the originals, of course. It's not piracy.
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I know very little about this subject, any more good links for reading? Not really interested in emulating, just about this subject matter.
Back on topic: Reviews seem unanimously positive.
Ultra Magnus
Member
I wonder if there could be a work around to allow all Steam games? I'm thinking something to the affect of jailbreaking. I'm closer to getting one now but may wait til early next year so they can get the bugs out
Ingueferroque
Banned
Such an incredibly ugly handheld. Ugh.
Really? With all the talk of emulation I figured the dpad must be alright.
I was not impressed with the diagonal inputs. Maybe it was the game I tested, but it reminded me of the 360 d-pad which I've never been a fan of.
When I get some time I will use it more and maybe change my mind.
edit:
Just tried a few other games, and the d-pad is ok. Not great for fighting games (mainly FQCF, QCF was ok), but easily passable for most platformers..