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NVidia's Founder's Edition BS and how they just flat out lied
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lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
16 years I've been buying Nvidia cards and this is the first time I've chosen not to upgrade due to the shit they pulled this gen with the Reference....sorry, Founders Edition cards, they claim they have to raise the price of FE (reference) cards higher than they used to in order to keep them on the market long term but I honestly don't believe that when AIB partners are producing better quality cards at a lessor price.
Nvidia was so clever/devious releasing the Titan at the price they did, it allowed them to ramp up prices of proceeding cards and everyone think they were still worth it because "wow it's as fast as the thousand dollar Titan!!, it must be a bargain", think back to the recent conference, "This card is faster than a Titan, this card is faster than a Titan, this card is faster than a Titan........", it was like listening to a market stall holder flogging kitchen knives out of a suitcase. And then they proceed to tell you that what used to be their basic reference model is now a special FE card made out of premium materials and a $100 price hike, fuck off nvidia.
Just watch the video Boss★Moogle posted on the previous page, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCfn4y8dBw , if you was buying a new car from these people honestly would you trust them?
Nvidia was so clever/devious releasing the Titan at the price they did, it allowed them to ramp up prices of proceeding cards and everyone think they were still worth it because "wow it's as fast as the thousand dollar Titan!!, it must be a bargain", think back to the recent conference, "This card is faster than a Titan, this card is faster than a Titan, this card is faster than a Titan........", it was like listening to a market stall holder flogging kitchen knives out of a suitcase. And then they proceed to tell you that what used to be their basic reference model is now a special FE card made out of premium materials and a $100 price hike, fuck off nvidia.
Just watch the video Boss★Moogle posted on the previous page, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCfn4y8dBw , if you was buying a new car from these people honestly would you trust them?
Unknown Soldier
Member
I can't wait to see how the AMD fans react when the 480 comes out and it's being price gouged for $100 over the $200 MSRP. I hope to see you posting another rant about AMD when that day comes in a couple weeks, OP.
P.S. I paid less than the Founder Edition price for my custom 1080
P.S. I paid less than the Founder Edition price for my custom 1080
Aztechnology
Member
Just love that video, I think I rolled my eyes and shook my head for 12 minutes straight.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
This is what I'm doing, I'll wait it out for a while until prices start to settle and non-FE cards are readily available in the market. I'm always tempted to switch to Team Red, but can't because AMD cards always seem to have issues with drivers and recent games coming out.
Isn't it the 1070 series that is mostly the big clusterfuck? The 1080 FE is $700 while the vast majority of aftermarket cards are less than that. Many cost around $630-650 with a decent overclock, and the cards with additional power phases/voltage adjustments are around $670-680. This pricing doesn't seem too bad compared to aftermarket 980s at launch (I think they cost around $600-650ish with reference cards at $550).
It is the 1070 series that is completely out of whack with the FE acting as the floor pricing. I think Nvidia could lose allot of business to AMD if they don't lower the pricing of the 1070 by $100 in the fall - Nvidia will still sell out of $430-480ish 1070s this summer from gaming enthusiasts, but the more casual gaming audience wont be stretching their wallets to get $450 1070s. It is just a mindset of people who normally spend $200 on a video card - they might be willing to stretch their budget by an extra $100-130 since the 970 was such a good deal at $330 but I think stretching the budget by an extra $250 for the 1070 is way too much for the more casual gaming crowd.
It is the 1070 series that is completely out of whack with the FE acting as the floor pricing. I think Nvidia could lose allot of business to AMD if they don't lower the pricing of the 1070 by $100 in the fall - Nvidia will still sell out of $430-480ish 1070s this summer from gaming enthusiasts, but the more casual gaming audience wont be stretching their wallets to get $450 1070s. It is just a mindset of people who normally spend $200 on a video card - they might be willing to stretch their budget by an extra $100-130 since the 970 was such a good deal at $330 but I think stretching the budget by an extra $250 for the 1070 is way too much for the more casual gaming crowd.
AMD cards will definitely get price-gouged by retailers and distributors, but there is no Founder's Edition.
OfTheOverflow
Member
Yeah, that's pretty much why I'm sticking with AMD. Nvidia's gouging really pisses me off.
Aztechnology
Member
Oh man link please, hopefully he takes Google Wallet.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
And yet their products are selling like hotcakes.
In Australia, some shops are selling GTX1080s for $1400AU and people are still buying them. I just shake my head when there are cards that are as expensive as building an entire system.
In Australia, some shops are selling GTX1080s for $1400AU and people are still buying them. I just shake my head when there are cards that are as expensive as building an entire system.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The current pricing is because manufacturers and retailers are taking advantage of the demand, nothing more or less than that. The 1080s, already being very expensive, don't have much room to move on price gouging compared to the 1070s and that's why we're seeing such ridiculous pricing on 1070s.
Of course in a month there will be plenty of 1070s to go around for $380 and nobody will even look at a Founders Edition or care what it's price is. This whole thing is just a propaganda play from the AMD camp ahead of the soon-to-be-clusterfucky 480 launch and it's kind of sad how easily people get suckered by this whole 'Nvidia is EVIL, AMD is GOOD' comic book storyline when both are multinational corporations who only care about profits.
Outdoor Miner
Member
Once demand slows their prices will fall back down to MSRP or lower. In the meantime they are selling every single card that's produced in minutes. This whole thread is a whole lotta whining about nothing.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Be careful with Google Wallet because they tend to shortchange you $10 for refunds.
The bottom line is this is the most expensive x70 and x80 cards. Stop pussy-footing around the issue.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The bottom line is they are still selling out, so it's clear that this price is what the market will bear. If AMD had something of similar performance they would price it the same (and they have in the past), it just happens that right now they don't.
The bottom line is demand far outstrips supply. AMD isn't going to walk through with a comparable card any time in the next few months either. They really dropped the ball.
Meanwhile, NVIDIA is going to milk those margins until supply can catch up with demand, as will the AIBs
Psyrgery ES
Member
For me it's easy. I won't buy until the price of the 1080 goes under €699.
If you don't buy, they don't get your money.
If you don't buy, they don't get your money.
Ya the demand for 1070 and 1080 is crazy high. Nvidia struck gold again and owns the segment for at least half a year.
Don't matter. I have yet to see a card sold at MSRP of $379.99 and $599.99 respectively. The GTX 1070 especially has fucked up pricing.
That's debatable. They are launching a new card on June 29th at the $199 price bracket where these companies move the most volume.
It'd be foolish to not charge what the market is willing to bear.
If they're not selling at the rate that they need, then they'll drop the price.
But as long as goddamn cashed up suckers are paying, why would you possibly do anything but gouge your willing customers?
I mean fuck... there are companies that keep up demand by charging more money.
If it's not worth it to you, don't buy it! Simple!
Personally I hope that VR as a whole targets the RX480 and subsequent line as the defacto target standard for VR.
Better than a 970, around a 980, but at $199 USD... well, that's going to help push the VR market right open.
It's a really great target point - roughly around the power range of a PS4Neo and Xbox Scorpio... you maximize compatibility for all the big headsets out there.
The 1080s, 1080tis... well, that can stay the niche of people that demand 60-120fps 1400p 21:9 or 4k gaming. If they're willing to shell out for the monitors, then they've got enough cash for the graphics cards that can power them.
Also, hopefully the big engines will start supporting Multi-GPU DX12 and make it easy for consumers to use 2 cheaper GFX cards than one big expensive one from Nvidia.
Otherwise... we get what we deserve as gamers. Listen to FUD (that shit about AMD driver quality has been an oft repeated line among gamers for years even after the reality changed), ignore the viability of the other sole competitor - the natural result is a virtual monopoly where they squeeze us as hard as we're willing to bear.
If they're not selling at the rate that they need, then they'll drop the price.
But as long as goddamn cashed up suckers are paying, why would you possibly do anything but gouge your willing customers?
I mean fuck... there are companies that keep up demand by charging more money.
If it's not worth it to you, don't buy it! Simple!
Personally I hope that VR as a whole targets the RX480 and subsequent line as the defacto target standard for VR.
Better than a 970, around a 980, but at $199 USD... well, that's going to help push the VR market right open.
It's a really great target point - roughly around the power range of a PS4Neo and Xbox Scorpio... you maximize compatibility for all the big headsets out there.
The 1080s, 1080tis... well, that can stay the niche of people that demand 60-120fps 1400p 21:9 or 4k gaming. If they're willing to shell out for the monitors, then they've got enough cash for the graphics cards that can power them.
Also, hopefully the big engines will start supporting Multi-GPU DX12 and make it easy for consumers to use 2 cheaper GFX cards than one big expensive one from Nvidia.
Otherwise... we get what we deserve as gamers. Listen to FUD (that shit about AMD driver quality has been an oft repeated line among gamers for years even after the reality changed), ignore the viability of the other sole competitor - the natural result is a virtual monopoly where they squeeze us as hard as we're willing to bear.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
AMD are releasing a card that competes with a GTX980 for $200 and you think they dropped the ball? Come off it.
Papacheeks
Banned
Rx 480 is not low end. If anything it gives people great performance for great value when it beats out a 980 gtx and r9 nano for $199-240$. Plus 490, 490x are on there way come this fall plus first hbm2 cards whuch AMD has first dibs on.
It's nvidia fault for making the 970 nurfed with only 3.5gb usable. And having. Rebranded 290x beat out a 450$ gtx 980 for a 50$ or cheaper price.
ethomaz
Banned
Key word comparable.
The subject of the thread is the 1070/1070 FE at high prices and his reply is right... AMD left the market to nVidia do what they want.
Best case scenario is AND releasing something in the last quarter of the year or first quarter of next year.
Dreams-Visions
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Iorv3th
Member
Do you have a link to any benchmarks? Only seen a leaked 3dmark benchmark and it has the 480 below the 980.
AstroNut325
Member
Keep giving them money. I'm sure they'll change their ways any day now.
To beat the scalpers, Nvidia became the scalpers. What surprised people is that the AIBs also became the scalpers.
But from what I can tell it's still hard to guess when demand will get down to a point where cards are sold at the actual MSRP. My problem is that my time limit for getting a 1070 (or 480 if things get really bad) is when Deus Ex comes out in August. I haven't even bought DOOM yet because that damn thing crushes my 760.
Like I said before, there are already aftermarket cards selling for $609, you guys sure are hung up on $10.
And at this point the 480 is nothing but speculation. The fact that they've been hiding its performance doesn't exactly instill confidence. Furthermore, even if it is as advertised is has zero impact on these cards where Nvidia will go untouched until sometime next year. Blame AMD for sucking so hard, there wouldn't be nearly the demand for the 10 series if they had their act together.
Prophet Steve
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Although it is likely true, more powerful cards are usually trumped by cheaper cards on a price performance ratio. And the cards compared there are a whole lot more powerful than the ones surrounding them.
I still hold my doubts on the 480, price and performance might be great but I am scared there won't be consistent frametimes. AMD can have loads of issues with that.
AMD aren't even in a bad enough position to be considered underdogs. They're lower than underdogs. They're the fleas on underdogs. But you're telling me it's AMD's fault that nVidia fuck over consumers?
Reallink
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https://youtu.be/YxfjJLbSs1w?t=4293
Dat peanut gallery cheer. Turns out she probably can't afford it
Dat peanut gallery cheer. Turns out she probably can't afford it
Pathfinder
Member
We can think its a shady practice and be mad at them if we want to, but those Founder's Edition cards sold like fucking hotcakes. So that's that.
TatteredHat
Member
The 1070 is great value at its MSRP, not so much at the prices they're currently being sold at.
If the prices don't drop I'll just pick up an 8gb 480, I'm not that desperate.
If the prices don't drop I'll just pick up an 8gb 480, I'm not that desperate.
And I thought the non-reference 1070s being much more expensive than the MSRP was only a european problem.
You don't get a 1070 in Germany for under 480 €, which is $540, and we're talking about the lower quality boards here. The good ones from MSI/ASUS/EVGA cost about 530 €, which is $596. That is more than what the 980 cost at launch, at least for US standards.
And that is fucking bullshit. Thanks for nothing, NVIDIA.
You don't get a 1070 in Germany for under 480 €, which is $540, and we're talking about the lower quality boards here. The good ones from MSI/ASUS/EVGA cost about 530 €, which is $596. That is more than what the 980 cost at launch, at least for US standards.
And that is fucking bullshit. Thanks for nothing, NVIDIA.
ethomaz
Banned
Benchmarks only on 29th.
Blame AMD instead of Nvidia for Nvidia's pricing?
cripterion
Member
It won't bite them in the ass, people are rushing to buy these cards as we speak. Nvidia knows they can get away with it, they don't give a fuck.
Papacheeks
Banned
This is my plan. If Nvidia doesn't want to sell me what they told me they are going to sell me for how much they said I should buy it then I simply won't buy it.
:e: I'll get the AMD instead.
Soodanim
Member
Competition keeps prices down, that's business 101
TatteredHat
Member
So if AMD disappeared, who would you blame then?