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Clinton was the first black president. Obama is the first gay one.
Clinton was the first black president. Obama is the first gay one.
Clinton was the first black president. Obama is the first gay one.
- George HW Bush's approval rating in July 1992 per Gallup was 29%, a record low for his presidency. So yes he's still above HW. That he was a one termer should be a further hint that he wasn't the most popular president near the end of his run. Any definition of modern that goes further back is really straining the word "modern" for me.
- I think the fact that Clinton's personal reputation was tarnished is a pretty large caveat and that it speaks well of Obama that his high job approval tracks closely to his personal favorability but you can infer for yourself whether this should make him more "popular" I guess. I'm having trouble finding personal favorability numbers for past presidents.
Edit: Bush I, Bush II and Clinton's favorability ratings were all in the toilet in the final year of their presidency per Gallup (for Bush I and Clinton) and CNN (Bush II). So Obama is beating them by that metric.
- This is a forum post not a college thesis.
omg you totally owned me ;( how will i ever show my face here again
Its a small sample size because we've only had six presidents in the last 40 years. I'm not sure what wider net you could cast that would bear any relevance to our current political climate. I guess he's not as popular as George Washington.I don't think the point of stump's post was to zomg own you (I mean, unless I'm misunderstanding, this isn't your argument, this is from a blog). Stump is pointing out that this just isn't very meaningful. Obama is the most popular of four people, and only then if you sort of fiddle with the metrics on Clinton.
I'm not saying Obama is good simply because he has good approval ratings. I'm not sure how you would gleam that from my post here or elsewhere. I'm just happy that a president whose policies I generally support is backed up by the majority of the country.I don't think a high favorability means anything. It's like going on metacritic and arguing your favorite whatever is best because most people gave the thing 10! There are countries in the world where world leaders have a high favorability - Like Duterte, in the Phillippines. Guy is a madman and is loved by many.
The idea that you would give self dependent and critical thought and stand by your own convictions instead of using the will of the masses as some sort of crutch to give more levy to your political ideology strikes me as incredible dumb and self destructive. The right way is often shouted down and unpopular because it's not the easy way. Populist nightmares if we are going to use this pissy yard stick to measure worth.
Yet, it's what a lot of people do. They join groups, and institutions and rally around the labels because having a unpopular opinion can bring self doubt and anxiety. :I
Sometimes the popular opinion is the right one, the fair one, the objectively logical one (as far as unified morals and ethics we can agree on, are concerned) but that is far removed from trying to make a point that someone is great because they are popular, favorable. That is almost disturbing and depressing
He can be the eye candyObama and Trudeau need to do a buddy comedy
Nieto
Bush spent his last speech as president yelling that he was actually great. I think your perception of reality here is very skewed.Hate him with a passion. George bush in my opinion as dumb as he was had the balls to accept when he makes mistakes. Not obama though.
I will never ever forgive him from crying assad is the greatest hitler this century when he was about to bomb him for using chemical weapons in 2013 against his people to ''oh yeah that was the best decision ever'' to jeffrey goldberg this year
Bush spent his last speech as president yelling that he was actually great. I think your perception of reality here is very skewed.
I don't remember that. I remember him saying he fucked up in iraq, fired that loon rumsfield and then proceded with the surge that ended al qaida in 2007. Ofcourse obama ended all those gains when he withdrew in 2011 and handing the country to maliki
He's going to go down as top 10 for the ACA alone. If the Iran deal goes well that's going to be even more solid. We've definitely had better, but his influence is going to be felt long after he's gone. He's not top 5, but it's hard to outdo Lincoln, Washington and the Roosevelts.
You mean the withdrawl timeline set by the Bush administration and carried through by Obama?
Obama went against the military when they said it was too early to leave. That and the decision to stick with maliki instead of allawi the secular technocrat doomed iraq completely
Wait, really? I don't remember this at all.I remember him saying he fucked up in iraq...
The Iraqis had a say in this as well and would not renew the agreement, now what?
Wait, really? I don't remember this at all.
HahahaNorth America's got the best leaders. Obama and Trudeau need to do a buddy comedy
we can ignore Nieto
Seriously.God, can you imagine if he'd had a congress that wasn't maybe the most ineffective, useless appendage of the body government in it's entire fuckin' history?
You say that like the ACA wasn't hamstrung by Republican pushback.ACA was a nice step forward but its still no where near enough, exhausted a ton of political capital, and has perhaps poisoned the well for further healthcare debates for a while (mostly because of republicans but still). Baby steps I guess but there was a lot more that could have been done that wasn't big flashy things like public options. Obama was pretty decent otherwise (though foreign policy/spying/drones/TPP stuff is concerning).
He fired rumsfield. It was his way of saying i fucked up
The turrists and evildoors had to be punished.It's pretty amazing what he's been able to accomplish with a congress that despised him for 6 years out of 8
And are we really revising history for W Bush administration who continued to torture people despite all of the evidence that it wasn't working?
He's great.
Seriously.
You say that like the ACA wasn't hamstrung by Republican pushback.