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Ocelot in MGSV is so god damn boring.
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jabberwocker
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Looks like we found our next neogaf topic name.
Absolutely, never gave less of a toss about characters as I did in MGSV. You'd have to really go out of your way yo create a more soulless group of people, but they did it.
matrix-cat
Member
How could you be disappointed with the game that showed us Big Boss' dark, confronting, taboo-breaking descent into just being a generally nice man? Wasn't it so interesting to see all our beloved characters basically punching a clock at their dayjobs? Weren't you fascinated by the totally non-existent relationship between Big Boss and Liquid that set up Liquid's entire motivation in MGS1? And, of course, how could I fail to mention the complex partnership and rivalry between Big Boss and Zero that is so tastefully left completely unexplored? MGSV is the missing link in the MGS saga, after all.
VolticArchangel
Member
It's kind of different this time around. We've been used to this character as this triple crossing agent who gathers Intel on the player's character/mission post credits, operates at/vs the highest level of intelligence agencies around the world mostly off field/sidelines, revered/feared about his interrogation techniques in both gameplay and codec coversations etc. for ambiguous reasons up until GOTP, which changed his character dynamics entirely.
Fast forward to V, without spoiling anything, we get first hand experience of how the character behaves and even interact with him as a regular staff member, but his exploration as a character may have been toned down due to two reasons. A) The ending and B) The narrative structure becoming more passive as its left entirely to the player and not forced like the prequels. Evolution of game design and to an extent, maybe this sounds small but it impacts a lot of character ptogression, interactive real-time individual codec calls in the traditional sense as opposed to your binoc's Intel radio on specifics and cassette tapes for narrative/mission/narrative progress.
No matter what, in ten years time all these silly shitposts about this game will turn into how "glorious!!!" V was and how it's "like Sons of Liberty!!!", which we'll laugh about in harmony. V, whether you like it or not, is the new age archetype of the genre, just like 2 was, redefining evolution of game design in the genre (not open world in general), narrative, and mechanically pushed to it's limit (as of now).
Fast forward to V, without spoiling anything, we get first hand experience of how the character behaves and even interact with him as a regular staff member, but his exploration as a character may have been toned down due to two reasons. A) The ending and B) The narrative structure becoming more passive as its left entirely to the player and not forced like the prequels. Evolution of game design and to an extent, maybe this sounds small but it impacts a lot of character ptogression, interactive real-time individual codec calls in the traditional sense as opposed to your binoc's Intel radio on specifics and cassette tapes for narrative/mission/narrative progress.
No matter what, in ten years time all these silly shitposts about this game will turn into how "glorious!!!" V was and how it's "like Sons of Liberty!!!", which we'll laugh about in harmony. V, whether you like it or not, is the new age archetype of the genre, just like 2 was, redefining evolution of game design in the genre (not open world in general), narrative, and mechanically pushed to it's limit (as of now).
KOMANI
KOMANI
When I remove myself from the story of the game, I feel better about my experience with it. When I watch "story" streams that feature the phantom pain, I cringe. It's just so bad. No character development. No main story that goes somewhere. People want to act that this game introduced a new form of storytelling... More power to you. I see a story truncated because of mismanaging time and resources. They even had the balls to include mission 51 as to taunt us on how they got away with it.
There's no reason to have Ocelot in this game. He's supposed to be the angel to Kaz's demon, but that doesn't mean he has to be boring... And yet he is. He makes no sense within the character's own make up.
Edit: as I read the above post, I just shake my head. I like how some think this is in the same league as MGS2. Enjoy that Kool Aid, buddy.
There's no reason to have Ocelot in this game. He's supposed to be the angel to Kaz's demon, but that doesn't mean he has to be boring... And yet he is. He makes no sense within the character's own make up.
Edit: as I read the above post, I just shake my head. I like how some think this is in the same league as MGS2. Enjoy that Kool Aid, buddy.
CheDominik
Member
Big Boss a nice man? He lets one of his soldiers take the fall for him and just disappears and is willing to sacrifice hundreds in the hospital. He is cunning and egoistical and shows that he doesn't care at all about his soldiers.
What did people expect? Manic laughter and him killing kittens?
I liked that for one time Kojima doesn't try to hammer it home again and again.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
KyanMehwulfe
Member
whaaaa.... The D-Dogs was awesome... definitely gonna end up in syndication
matrix-cat
Member
Kojima talked up MGSV as breaking taboos and showing Big Boss' descent into madness and evil. In reality, MGSV shows a polite, softly-spoken man who hardly says a word in anger, then eighty hours later goes
"psych it was the medic lol"
Storm Raider
Banned
I agree. The game has a lot of flaws.
Kojima definitely focused on the gameplay for this iteration.
Kojima definitely focused on the gameplay for this iteration.
CheDominik
Member
I'm sure people got the impression watching the trailers but personally I don't think of trailers as parts of a game that I build my expectations on. They're just there to sell more copies for me and I judge or criticize stuff that is actually in the game. I think the game is entirely self-contained and has an interesting theme about the importance of languagw and cultural appropriation- Maybe my expectations of this series are different. I expect an interesting main theme surrounded by goofy and nonsensical stuff and every game except MGS4 delivers on hat promise.
I guess some people wouldn't be so pissed if it wasn't the last MGS, but nobody at KojiPro could have known that when they started production.
SkylineRKR
Member
I doubt V will leave the same mark as MGS2 did. I already largely forgot V because there was nothing noteworthy in its narrative. I didn't forget MGS2's twists.
MGS2 Raiden was a shock, even after the demo there were no signs. V merely replicated it in much worse and useless fashion, leave the twist out and nothing changes. This trash cannot even be from the same creator, like, 'so here's this giant enemy twist... this level is based on the tutorial that actually took place in the game'. And we kept the prompts into it too, because after 50 hours of playing you might have forgotten how to crawl. Yeah fuck this game.
MGS2 Raiden was a shock, even after the demo there were no signs. V merely replicated it in much worse and useless fashion, leave the twist out and nothing changes. This trash cannot even be from the same creator, like, 'so here's this giant enemy twist... this level is based on the tutorial that actually took place in the game'. And we kept the prompts into it too, because after 50 hours of playing you might have forgotten how to crawl. Yeah fuck this game.
KOMANI
KOMANI
Yea... So stealthy, you can get an S rank Foxhound sticker for completing a mission by alerting every guard on the base. Stealth. Yeah.
The twist is made even more cheap by the fact that the scene just outright changes things to retroactively make the twist more palatable. Hack writing. It outright lies to the player rather than keeping things from them.
Big Boss had nothing to do with the body double. He wakes up only a short time before Venom does. He goes along with it because he doesn't want to kill his friend, and he even goes so far as to share his identity with said friend. That's a nice man if I ever heard of one.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Worth it for the model swaps
N
Noray
Unconfirmed Member
Ocelot is the worst in this game. He has no personality and isn't consistent with either MGS3 Ocelot or MGS1 Ocelot. He's just a dude with a lot of cowboy affectations and all of a sudden a Deep South accent he never had before or after. I guess he's that way because Miller needed a foil, but they couldn't have done it in a worse way.
SkylineRKR
Member
Zero decided to clone BB while BB was still asleep. Because he had enemies that were out to kill him. Thats right people, Big Boss had enemies. Lets forget that this goes against his Peace Walker speech (and V is a direct sequel to that), in which he's ready to face anything that might try to stop them. There is no defending this story, its bad from all angles. Also, BB didn't even fit into it. Why the fuck was he assaulted anyway? Skull Face had no reason to do so, it only jeopardized his crusade against Cipher.
Dictator93
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DIGITALIS
Dragon1893
Member
Yeah, just a talking head. Quite the contrast with the Ocelot we knew.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I played mgs1 upwards of 80 hours too, including vr missions which have enemy audio dialogue.
It is nowhere near the same audio experience. If both games were just 10 hours, the constant Kaz and Ocelot talking are still very noticeable.
dreamer3kx
Member
Im currently up to chapter 2, this story, lol, terrible. I was stealthy all through chap 1 but now I just want to finish this up and playing rambo style while calling airstrikes and bombardments, older gears are so much better, it plays great, will give it that.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
Agreed. His performance was the worst Ocelot performance ever made in the franchise. He was Americanized and Troy Baker destroyed his character, imo. He wasn't all that there either. So disappointing, in my opinion. He had some good lines and throwbacks to the series but that is about it.
He's great in some of the cassette tapes. I listened to them all while playing.
He's great in some of the cassette tapes. I listened to them all while playing.
No, you are wrong. That scene with Ocelot taking control of the military and becoming almost onmipotent regarding weapons is one of the absolute best and most dramatic scene in the entire franchise.
Yeah, I was hoping for the continued adventures of John and Adamska. Their bromance at the end of MGS3 is just perfect. But the twist
I've no fucking clue, and neither did Kojima.
ruins all of that. I can see that it would be a hard thing to write properly. How should Ocelot interact with a fake BB, created through plastic surgery and hypnosis?
It makes sense, all the characters are boring.
But don't worry guys! chapter 3 is coming.
LOL
Seriously, this game has ruined the entire series for me.
But don't worry guys! chapter 3 is coming.
lol
LOL
Seriously, this game has ruined the entire series for me.
cryptosporidium
Member
shalashaska was one of my most hyped anticipations for this game. "ho shit i get to finally see how he got the name, this is gonna be so badass"..
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Silver Arrows
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lol
brandonh83
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Your comment is about the industry as a whole and you don't even know
I wouldn't disagree.
He still looks Lee Van Cleef-ish, which is who the character's appearance is based on.
he ran out of time. but this Ocelot was probably gonna be a
double
The medics assistant.
Your comment is about the industry as a whole and you don't even know
so meta.
Ocelot has two good lines (both in the truth tapes), but is boring, omniscient, and unrecognizable otherwise. Nothing compared to MGSV's best character, DD, what a good dog.
Huey is prob the best human MGSV character, he's like having Baltar from BSG on your team. I like Miller as an amusing cartoon character. Quiet could've been good, but stuff like the shower and leering kills that for me. Zero was actually surprisingly good and true to his MGS3 characterization, but is only there a bit at the end. In a lot of ways Ocelot is the worst one, or would be if it wasn't for Code Talker. Fuck Code Talker tapes other than the burger ones.
Luckily I don't play these things for the story, or writing. They're at their worst when they focus too much on that (looking at you, MGS4 and MGS2) rather than servicing the cool game gimmicks, atmosphere, and cutscenes. If MGSV had focused more on this stuff it would've been bad, but thankfully it sweeps it to the corner mostly. Being able to turn off Miller/Ocelot in GZ and TPP would've been even better.
Huey is prob the best human MGSV character, he's like having Baltar from BSG on your team. I like Miller as an amusing cartoon character. Quiet could've been good, but stuff like the shower and leering kills that for me. Zero was actually surprisingly good and true to his MGS3 characterization, but is only there a bit at the end. In a lot of ways Ocelot is the worst one, or would be if it wasn't for Code Talker. Fuck Code Talker tapes other than the burger ones.
Luckily I don't play these things for the story, or writing. They're at their worst when they focus too much on that (looking at you, MGS4 and MGS2) rather than servicing the cool game gimmicks, atmosphere, and cutscenes. If MGSV had focused more on this stuff it would've been bad, but thankfully it sweeps it to the corner mostly. Being able to turn off Miller/Ocelot in GZ and TPP would've been even better.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Just started playing this again after an extended break and was just shocked at how utterly lame Ocelot and Miller both were upon my return. In general actually, about the disappointment of this game. Not that the game is bad, but to wait 8 years for it, it certainly didn't live up to expectations. And I say that as a huge Metal Gear fanatic who has loved almost every entry. Gameplay is still good in this game, but fuck were the characters poorly written, and very poorly acted. Makes Quiet seem like a revelation in comparison, but that's probably because she doesn't speak :/
Marty-esque
Member
It's funny, that's probably my favorite mission in the game. I know why it can be frustrating though.
Fancy Clown
Member
Yeah Ocelot was like the best part of the other games...and then he turns into a monotonous voice used for useless expository information in this one with no descernable character traits
Prove it empirically.
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
Didn't Troy Baker say that Ocelot is basically supposed to be a different character in each game?