SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
You won't lose weight, but being obese at 15% body fat will look a whole lot better than 40%.
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OECD Obesity Update: Almost 39% of American Adults over age 15 now classified obese
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Yup, I just finished a pretty strict cut. I was still eating 200g of carbs on workout days at the lowest point on my diet. My fats were cut much more aggressively.
Yes.
It's very easy to eat in our society. Food is readily available around the clock and due to drive ins you don't have to even get out of your car or even leave home as you can get food delivered to you. Vast amounts of processed foods in supermarkets mean you can have lots of calorie rich food ready for consumption at home at all times. It's very simple to acquire huge amounts of calories every day.
On the other hand, if we're talking about sedentary lifestyle (which is an issue by itself), getting physical activity is far more complicated. For example in suburbs it's nigh impossible to live without a car and you're pretty much forced to use the automobile on your daily commutes, you don't move as part of your daily life. Instead if you want some exercise you have to separately drive to a gym every day or schedule your day so you can go jogging (don't forget to get proper gear for the activity) etc. You need to make a special effort towards it.
entremet
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Yep.
I think you start getting in trouble when you combine carbs and fats--this is the secret to most addictive junk food.
Pizza
Cheeseburgers
Donuts
Starbucks Frappucinos
These foods are extremely high in calories, never satiate adequately, and are addictive.
But no one is getting fat on white rice, potatoes, pasta, whole wheat bread, and so on, where fat is low. If then, explain Asia.
Again, low carb is great for getting people off the junk food train, but it's the no only way to skin the cat and may be too expensive for some.
Agreed. From everything I've read the fat/carb combo is the worst
StoppedInTracks
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Disgusting @ all the Marsfoods products in UK/ US pics.
entremet
Member
Your body does need some fat. I'm not fat phobic, but the shit found in packaged and fast food is damn overkill.
Not only that, it's addictive!
And keto is fine. You're missing the deadly carb plus fat combo there, so you're staying out of trouble.
But again, not everyone can do keto or low carb.
That's probably true, fast food here is actually quite expensive and when I've been to America you get so much for little money.
1.) Sugar (and its ilk + processed carbs) are probably the largest factor. Excess carbohydrate intake, especially stuff that is easily processed into glucose (sugar, processed carbs, etc.), leads to insulin resistance and weight gain.
Exercise is important too but diet is by far easier to control in the scheme of things (i.e., it is easier to reduce intake by 500 cal / day than burn an extra 500 cal / day via exercise).
2.) The "nutrition" pyramid is not only completely inaccurate but not at all followed on the SAD.
Most fats (normal and saturated fats) are improperly demonized while grains and fruits are peddled as healthy. Whole grains are better than nothing due to lower GI but still absolutely unnecessary. Same deal with fruits vs. other sugars - better than nothing but not great.
Low carb + high fat or High carb + low fat can be very healthy. High carb + high fat (i.e., the SAD) is a recipe for disaster.
3.) Easier access to junk foods and other poor meal choices vs. cooking one's own meals has contributed too. Healthy choices are often the most expensive. Stress, work, and other life issues don't help either.
4.) To a lesser extent, a normalization of being overweight contributes to more people becoming overweight. Don't get me wrong - fat shaming and such is absolutely toxic behavior. We still need to work on better programs and initiatives to encourage people to get back to healthier weights.
Exercise is important too but diet is by far easier to control in the scheme of things (i.e., it is easier to reduce intake by 500 cal / day than burn an extra 500 cal / day via exercise).
2.) The "nutrition" pyramid is not only completely inaccurate but not at all followed on the SAD.
Most fats (normal and saturated fats) are improperly demonized while grains and fruits are peddled as healthy. Whole grains are better than nothing due to lower GI but still absolutely unnecessary. Same deal with fruits vs. other sugars - better than nothing but not great.
Low carb + high fat or High carb + low fat can be very healthy. High carb + high fat (i.e., the SAD) is a recipe for disaster.
3.) Easier access to junk foods and other poor meal choices vs. cooking one's own meals has contributed too. Healthy choices are often the most expensive. Stress, work, and other life issues don't help either.
4.) To a lesser extent, a normalization of being overweight contributes to more people becoming overweight. Don't get me wrong - fat shaming and such is absolutely toxic behavior. We still need to work on better programs and initiatives to encourage people to get back to healthier weights.
God Dayumm
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It is specially rotten when they inflict their obese habits on children and pets. That is abuse, period. CPS should be on top of those cases.
My guess is you often link to Robert Lustig videos. Fruit not being healthy is absolutely nonsensical.
BrutishMrFish
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This post is tag-worthy for just how stupid it is.
So do I. Visited DC a few weeks ago and walked the most I've walked in a long, long time, simply because it was more feasible. Makes me reconsider where I want to live.
Pizza never satiate? Pizza is literally like the only thing that make me feel bad from how full i get since the dough tend to absorb a lot of water in your stomach and make me feel bloated for days at times.
Sugary food on the other hand, yeah it feels like you digest those in no time and can eat another in no time.
You're misunderstanding what he's saying. Some single slices of pizza can push way over 600+ calories (depending on the dough/toppings).
Now take in 600 calories of chicken/fish, rice and vegetables and see the difference in how full you feel.
It's not that pizza NEVER satiates. But you'll end up taking in a ton of calories before feeling full compared to other foods.
I have no idea if this is sarcasm or not.
CornBurrito
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Yes, Japan at 3.7% is known for having completely non-sedentary lifestyles. Nobody there works office jobs.
That's a lot like saying that we had food 40 years ago.
It used to be that families would have one car. Then it gradually became the norm that every adult would have their own personal car, so that they would never need to walk anywhere if they didn't want to. And then communities started being built in a way that requires cars to navigate, so that even people who want to walk more can't.
Ideally no, but compared to several other countries, even industrialized ones, it shows that the 'average' buys almost everything which is packaged. Now you're right it adds nutrition and food safety. But a lot of it is processed foods. Things with added sugars, fats, sodium, chemicals and preservatives.
Why is Italy so far down someone asked. But I am pretty certain they will still make their own pasta sauce, while the majority of people in the UK/Canada/US will probably buy a jar of Ragu. This in turns leads to less food knowledge, greater laziness in food preparation, and greater risk in addings things we don't need or have no nutritional value. Think of a basil and nut pesto sauce.
Homemade recipe
3 cups fresh basil leaves
1 1/2 cups chopped walnuts
4 cloves garlic, peeled
1/4 cup grated Parmesan cheese
1 cup olive oil
salt and pepper to taste
Versus a jar of basil pesto which will have the same ingredients but preserved, full of added sugars and sodium. Full of things like enzymes, citric and lactic acids as preservatives, plus keep in mind, you bought and used fresh basil leaves or garlic. Who knows in the jar.
The microwave, coupled with the bulk food mindset, the 'convenience is key' eating mindset, the decline in parental home cooking, the loss of cooking as an essential life skill, has changed how we view and consume food. And the scary part is how rapid it was.
As for the comments on BMI a few pages back, one poster highlighted the issue we have with tackling this problem. 'I didn't want to be a twig, I look muscular and bench this much, I have a little gut, it isn't an accurate measurement'. You are deviated from the norm with your lower height. These are averages and statistics. Of course you will have outliers. But the average American isn't 6'3" or 5'6", nor do people carry around the muscle you expect. We are conditioned to see increasing obesity as normalized. That 'obese' woman is 'curvy', that 'obese' man is built etc. The fact many would consider 5'9" and 150 male underweight or a twig or abnormal shows the difference. You can even view pictures of graduating classes in 1987 versus 2017, count how many teens are obese. View pictures of the beaches in 1980 versus 2017 etc.
Again, I specifically tried to avoid overweight due to BMI as therenis greater discrepancy. But this is literally OBESE we are talking about. Unless you have an exceptionally low body fat or outside the average height, and you have a BMI of over 30, you are almost assuredly going to be fat, and look fat. This needs to be accepted before steps can be taken. Again, someone mentioned that it isn't great to hear that we should tackle childhood obesity first, but the point is the same with tackling at risk youth. You want to prevent it from escalating. The 12 year old boy who is 5'3" but pushing 190 pounds before high school, unless he changes, he is in for a rough life. The habits become stuck pretty much as a teen, and it is why so few adults are successful with diets. Becausw they go against how they were raised or lived for so many years. And even then, if you were active young, you can easily become sedentary as an adult. The time for half measures is over.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I'm pretty sure it's not car culture, portion size, sugar, processed foods, or fast food, individually.
It's all of the above combined.
It's all of the above combined.
constantstatic
Member
You sound like a crazy person and personally I find beefier men more attractive than skinny dudes. Also this attitude will do nothing to help the person. If you came at me will that attitude I would probably knock you out right where you stand tbh.
pretty done
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I eat McDs or Subway every weekday and my doctor told me I need to gain weight. It's the fatties that order a large number 4 every day and drink soda that are obese.
McPick 2 with nuggets and a mcdouble is good for the price and not unhealthy.
constantstatic
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That's so unhealthy and you probably have a high metabolism or are just naturally thin.
My brother wants to gain more weight and cant no matter how much he eats and lifts. The reverse of that is my partner is 6'2 works his ass off at the gym and seems stuck at 250 pounds and we eat mostly boneless chicken breasts and steamed veggies and no soda Or junk food. He is just a big man and was a D1 lineman In college.
The dairy itself in the USA is addictive. Study "A1 casein" or "beta casomorphin 7", the milk literally contains opioids. The milk in central Europe, for example, doesn't. That is called the A2 kind. Finland consumes the unhealthy one in largest amounts in the whole world, that could be a factor in why it is in the top. And USA lathers this milk in the form of processed cheese to everything.
Looking at your small list, transfats (mostly the donut), polyunsaturated fats (in pizza, burgers AND donuts) and cheese are the culprits here.
Reptars Revenge
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Matters who is doing the shaming.
pretty done
Member
Definitely not naturally thin because I was fat all through elementary and middle school. Maybe I do have a high metabolism, but there's a huge difference between dollar menu items and large fries + large coke. Those 2 are probably why people get fat from fast food.
I'm assuming you mean me with the bolded and I'd like to clarify a bit. The thing is, treating fat adults (like me) as a lost cause (which I know I'm not... well... mostly) is not a good way to get results. We should be figuring out ways of educating and helping adults lose weight that aren't just "do it yourself" because, right now, no amount of health advice in schools or free healthy school meals will do much to fix the influence having a fat parent has on a child, at most you'll get minor incremental steps. There's also the fact that, if we don't reduce the 39% soon the strain on medical systems in the UK and US is going to be immense, going at the issue exclusively with multi-generational solutions won't help that. Of course education and the like are 100% needed yesterday, I'm not denying that.
I know this is purely anecdotal, but despite having magnitudes more experience in cooking and preparing decent food than some of my peers (believe me, it's bad with some people) I'm a fat bastard whereas they're healthy; the major differentiating factor in that equation is not education, but whether we had overweight parents or not.
Is there some kind of misconception that all they offer is unhealthy, unfresh food at markdown, warehouse, or discount grocery stores? They sell stuff similar to the things you find at Whole Foods at Save-a-Lot and WinCo.
I do know there is a dangerous idea perpetuated by the health food industry that in order to eat "well" you have to eat gluten-free, GMO-free, etc.
No.
https://youtu.be/tzcE9gBqJxo
Stop blaming metabolism. And the difference between "high" and "low" metabolism is 200 calories. Go count how many of your fries is that.
What he just described is 600 calories. The amount of food an "average" adult should eat at dinner.
My father is the same way. Eats Burger King every day, but gets a Big Mac Jr. and onion rings. A very small meal to most Americans.
He wasn't the one claiming he had a high metabolism.
Your brother needs to eat more and your partner needs to eat less.
Remember, there is not a single instance of someone maintaining or gaining weight on a caloric deficit.
constantstatic
Member
So your saying his burgers and fried nuggets are as healthy as my dinner of a grilled chicken breast and steamed veggies lol 👌
He Said it's a healthy meal and its not regardless of the number of calories.
Nah way off based here dude
Exactly, sophisticated Londoners go to Itsu and fly to Europe for the weekend. The rest eat Monster Munch and read the Daily Mail.
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entremet
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No. Not obesity. You many be talking about thyroid issues. Obesity is not a disease by definition.
Although some people get fatter easier. That's actually good from a survival perspective.
Homo sapiens ability to store excess calories as body fat is great trait. But that was when calories were sparse and hard to get.
This thread, his original post, and your subsequent comment in your original reply to that post are strictly about weight, weight loss, and obesity.
As a side note, portion size is always a factor when it comes to the overall health of a meal. It doesn't matter if you're eating 4000 calories of steamed brown rice and boiled black beans or 4000 calories of lard. One will gain weight either way.
Many fruits have a large amount of sugar. This is not refined sugar and has a lower GI than straight up ingesting granulated sugar / HFCS / etc. Fruits also provide fiber and have useful micronutrients.
Fruits are definitely healthier, than say, cookies. That does not mean sugary fruits (e.g., watermelon, pineapple, dates, grapes) are particularly healthy. Moderate quantities pose little issue for most people but there is little that fruit provides that vegetables + meat / other protein sources can't while avoiding the fructose intake.
But excess fruit consumption is far from the worst of the modern Western diet's problems. All I'm saying is that the extra sugars in fruit aren't great for an already carb-loaded high-fat SAD. We should definitely cut other carb sources before worrying about the fruit though!
TAJ
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I think that the rationing in the US during WWII established a reasonable ceiling for that and it is quite low.
Going with more modern data only 6% of men in the US were obese in 1980.
There are some genetic disorders that can cause obesity. That does not account for 37% of the population. That does not account for 1% of the population.
Behavior plays a larger factor.
Yup. My Brother eats far more unhealthier than I do. Chips, pizza, fast food like every day. Drinks soda. Thin as a stick. I eat a piece of pizza and it feels like I gain a pound instantly.
Metabolism does matter. People with fast metabolisms in my experience have no sympathy for those that are heavy because in their minds, it's easy.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
If you get enough protein, you can eat absolute garbage and still maintain 15% body fat on a vigorous weight lifting program. If you're a guy with a decent amount of testosterone, I guess.
GalacticToast
Member
I dunno. I fat-shamed myself and went from 268 in 2014 down to 172 as of this morning. Shit worked for me
Poverty is actually a good way to get obese in the Western world. So under the Tory, the UK will challenge the US.
And another problem is that these companies are in a pickle.
You create sugar free products and people don't like the taste. You reduce the sugar and people don't like the taste. They want the high sugar original product. Consumers demand it. And companies have to make what people want, otherwise they don't stay afloat, and these big companies provide thousands of jobs that could literally disappear if you destroy a $1B+ brand.
The problem is systemic from every angle.
Not strict enough regulations.
People don't WANT nutritionally relevant food so much as they want GMO-free, "natural," organic foods.
People are nutritionally ignorant.
People are addicted to sugar.
Companies are stuck between regulations, the need to innovate to stay relevant, and a demanding, fickle consumer.
Shitty healthcare system.
It can't easily be fixed especially with a Republican government.
That's good on you. It doesn't work on most because they just stopped caring. They'll just eat whatever they want and wait on a magic bullet in medicine to cure them.
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