Fat acceptance is exactly the same as anti-vaccination movement.
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OECD Obesity Update: Almost 39% of American Adults over age 15 now classified obese
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Fat acceptance is exactly the same as anti-vaccination movement.
What we need to figure out is why weight loss doesn't stick. Nearly everyone who loses weight puts it back on, that should tell us there is more then just personal choice involved. We need a way to change BMR to lower what obese peoples bodies want to stay at weight wise in an easy medically safe fashion.
Better employee rights so people can have a better work life balance and single payer would help immesinely as well.
Better employee rights so people can have a better work life balance and single payer would help immesinely as well.
VexationStation
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In my case at least, it's the sugar. Grew up fat from a fat family, and I've only achieved a normal weight in my 30s by removing sugar from my life as much as possible. Worst part is that insulin resistance doesn't seem to be something that ever goes away, I have to avoid carbs and starve myself compared to my coworkers to remain a healthy weight.
It is so hard in America to find food without sugar in it.
It is so hard in America to find food without sugar in it.
Laevateinn
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If this continues it will probably lead to a shutdown of welfare programs we have in this country. Obesity and old people will be the downfall of that privilege.
I really don't know how to even speculate this. The country is basically a slightly crappier version of Sweden, though not to the extend of having such a big difference.
I really don't know how to even speculate this. The country is basically a slightly crappier version of Sweden, though not to the extend of having such a big difference.
They walk around...
There's plenty of healthy 15 minute recipes out there. Here's a list of Jamie Oliver ones:
http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/category/books/jamies-15-minute-meals/
Here's another BBC Health list:
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/15-minute-meal
And there's much much more, there's obviously a market for quick & easy but healthy recipes out there.
I like to take my time a bit more myself if I'm able because I like to cook (I need something to focus on and unwind after spending an entire day staring at screens at work), but even then it takes about 30 minutes max, unless I go really fancy.
I just don't buy the excuse that people don't have enough time to cook at home. It can take less time than going out to eat. Like I said, even if you're really, really strapped for time, everyone has 15 minutes in their day. That's enough to get a good, decent, healthy meal ready. Most people have more time, and that gives you even more options. And it's often cheaper than going out to eat as well.
Both my girlfriend and me work full time. We have plenty of other activities to keep us busy as well throughout the week. Even then making sure you're staying healthy isn't too much effort and doesn't take too much time.
Zoe
Member
Abnormally tall and muscular people tend to have different medical needs than for what's considered normal, so it's still a useful metric in that regard.
Heck, let's count bread as well when discussing Italian meal habits.
Fare la scarpetta, finishing your plate by wiping the leftover food/sauce with a piece of white bread. I did that that constantly in Sicily.
If the overall amount of food still is moderated at the end, it doesn't matter much.
They're the one Scandinavian country using officially measured data, not self-reported. It is not that difficult to guess what is the difference.
Reptars Revenge
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BMI doesn't even factor how much weight we carry in our huge gaf wainers so it's kind of useless.
rokkerkory
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Ive learned to totally cut out bread, milk, rice and all sweets. Now if i even take a small bite of pie i wanna puke.
Just take baby steps. Lifestyle change isnt easy and wont happen over night
Just take baby steps. Lifestyle change isnt easy and wont happen over night
The Jazz Cabbage Master
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Oh god 😂
People like to think they are immune to the laws of thermodynamics. If you retain mass, you need to cut down on getting that mass.
Damn. I remember reading that Mexico has surpassed USA in obesity records, but you guys sure made a comeback
I think that was overweight percentage, but looking at newer info it seems the US has got Mexico handedly beat as well. I also remember it so I guess it was one of those clickbait studies.
The Greek Freak
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I played slightly after college (not the NFL) and this was my problem.
I was 6'2 315 in the 8th grade.
My playing weight in college hovered around 330. I even completed an actual marathon at that weight. I could run miles at 6 minutes a pop pretty easily.
The moment i stopped playing football and only weight lifted 3-5 times a week? I ballooned up to 450 in a fucking year. I was used to eating 5k calories a day for literally a decade. Changing my dietary habits have been incredibly hard but I knew the alternative was eating myself to a slow suicide my wife and friends would be forced to watch.
Down to 228 now thank goodness.
Earthbound64
Banned
Complex carbs and active lifestyles. Pasta is filling. They don't spike their blood sugar and get diabetes from lots of fructose and sucrose.
How much HFCS does the Italians drink per day?
I mean, yes and no? yes, we're bombarded with ads and shit, but the point that BAD food is readily available and cheap compared to the effort it takes (buying ingredients, spending time cooking etc) and the price differential for GOOD food is massive. Like, right now I'm on a diet and buying the stuff that I need to cook the meals I'm eating (which are pretty modest obviously) is literally 3 or 4 times as expensive as just eating out every meal.
Yea and it sucks for tall people like us because our weight spreads out so you don't look that overweight but you feel it. I'm like you with pizza, but I just can't enjoy pizza without stuffing myself. Like I gotta get pizza drunk to enjoy it. Granted, I only eat thin crust so that might be why.
I think my main problem is that I want to play games instead of exercising and feel like I can't do both. After I workout or do cardio I just want to rest so I don't end up playing anything that day. Maybe I'm not getting enough energy from the food I eat.
hydrophilic attack
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according to the stereotype they drink a lot of alcoholic beverages
spootime
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A lot of the issue is that peoples idea of a diet is something that you do temporarily to shed weight. After that you can just go back to eating the same shit you've been eating in the first place. If you're pretty fat, a "diet" is going to involve a fundamental shift in the way you eat for the rest of your life.
I do think there's more societal acceptance of obesity and being overweight in general these days which contributes as well.
I do think there's more societal acceptance of obesity and being overweight in general these days which contributes as well.
Really, what are meals are you cooking.
I could make a tomato pasta dish with mozzarella and garlic bread, if I wanted Bolognese as a meat alternative, fresh basil that lasts as long as you water it, oregano, garlic, salt. That costs a few quid at most if you've got the herbs which last many meals. Bean chilli is again cheap as chips and like pasta can be a second meal the next day. Both can be frozen too. There is definitely ways to stay cheap and make nice food and items bought last many times other than a meat option.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Most people who lose weight lose everything including muscle. If they do not build muscle while losing weight, they are more likely to put fat back on.
oneils
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Interesting pictures. The American family doesn't look obese, or even overweight, to me. Despite the food, they must be doing something right.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
A lean 6' 220 is Arnold Schwarzenegger.
If you mean the old tale Eat carbs -> Insulin spike -> Fat gain (Gary Taubes model) your wrong.
Testify brotha!
Most accurate post so far. The obesity problem isn't caused by "lazy individuals", it's the result of how our society is structured today. The extreme access to junk food is the problem.
BMI works very well on a whole populaton to determine obesity. When it comes to individuals the problem is more likely that the person has a normal BMI but being fat due to att small amount of muscle mass.
Terrible post.
spootime
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Another interesting thing for me has been going to walmart recently. I realize this is going to sound elitist and classist as fuck but bear with me. Ive been in grad school these past few years and I live in a very affluent area in the southeast (I also grew up very affluently with health nut parents). The type with whole foods literally everywhere, etc. So when I look at peoples carts its generally full of veggies, whole wheat pasta, few sugary juices here and there, etc.
I recently moved to a big city for an internship over the summer, and I've been shopping at Walmart for my groceries. God damn, peoples carts look even worse than the "average american" pictures above. The vast majority of it is pure sugar. 3-4 gallons of hawaiian punch, capri suns, 5lbs of lollipops, 5 bags of family size chips, etc. Honestly a lot of these people are probably consuming over 1000 calories every day just from drinks and snacks. I don't really think that has anything to do with low income vs high income either. I do understand the argument that poorer people have less time and motivation to dedicate to purchasing and cooking healthy foods. But the empty calories is really what kills them. The worst part is the kids with them, who are already obese, are almost destined to be fat for the rest of their lives and die early.
I don't disagree with this overall. But I don't believe that access to junk food has increased since the 1990-2000's. If anything, its decreased as portion sizes at fast food places have become a bit smaller and theyve been forced to print the calories of all their foods on their menus. However, the obesity rate has still grown. It does seem like there is a societal influence on obesity unrelated to junk food access.
I recently moved to a big city for an internship over the summer, and I've been shopping at Walmart for my groceries. God damn, peoples carts look even worse than the "average american" pictures above. The vast majority of it is pure sugar. 3-4 gallons of hawaiian punch, capri suns, 5lbs of lollipops, 5 bags of family size chips, etc. Honestly a lot of these people are probably consuming over 1000 calories every day just from drinks and snacks. I don't really think that has anything to do with low income vs high income either. I do understand the argument that poorer people have less time and motivation to dedicate to purchasing and cooking healthy foods. But the empty calories is really what kills them. The worst part is the kids with them, who are already obese, are almost destined to be fat for the rest of their lives and die early.
I don't disagree with this overall. But I don't believe that access to junk food has increased since the 1990-2000's. If anything, its decreased as portion sizes at fast food places have become a bit smaller and theyve been forced to print the calories of all their foods on their menus. However, the obesity rate has still grown. It does seem like there is a societal influence on obesity unrelated to junk food access.
It's flawed but the % of people who contribute to the 39% of obese people classified by BMI but are actually fit is minimal and is probably less than the statistical/measurement error in the study.
Blobs are morbidly obese. Large people that are still functional can be classified as obese.
The Sum of Zero
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What the fuck.
as you should well know, Italian meals come at a premium price. Most people just can't afford to eat one every day
What do you mean it's wrong?
It's shown that metabolic disease (ala insulin resistance) makes it difficult to control appetite and weight.
Processed and packaged foods don't mean something is not nutritious. Packaging and processing foods often adds nutrition and food safety.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
Yup, same.
I didn't realize how to really count calories until I got a food scale and measured everything out.
Guessing calories is incredibly inaccurate and basically impossible especially if you eat out often. Minor things such as oil in a pan can change the amount of calories and these things can add up even if you think you're eating healthy.
The most accurate way to lose weight is to keep track of and weigh everything you put in your mouth and track it with a calorie counting app.
With summer approaching I'm already seeing the fat acceptance posts creep up on my Facebook.
However, it needs to be handled in a different way. Fat shaming has been well documented to not work.
I feel like we've created a monster where fat acceptance AND fat shaming make people double down on being fat
Is this purely anecdotal? I'm not saying your wrong but could you elaborate on what you mean?
And I'm not trying to 'cook on a budget' - I'm trying to use good ingredients and stay on Keto for a month. Either way, you can't even make reasonable food at home for the price of fast food. Clearly you're in the UK, I don't know how different it is there, but I could stuff my face in the US for like 5 bucks a day if I wanted to only buy dollar menu shit. I'm lucky to spend 5 bucks a meal if I make something myself (usually quite a bit more).
Username1198
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I believe sugar to be the biggest culprit. I think the recommended daily intake for sugar is 38g for men and 25g for women.
A 20oz Mountain Dew has 77g of sugar.
A regular sized bag of M&Ms have 37g of sugar
Most foods have some frock of sugar in it, so it's very very easy to go over the recommended amount.
Too much sugar leads to a whole bunch of heath problems, including obesity. It's just so easy to consume large amounts of sugar, cheaply and you won't even be full.
I think portions and more vegetable mixed with excersize is key to being healthy. Not even so much excersizing, but more what you do in the kitchen.
A 20oz Mountain Dew has 77g of sugar.
A regular sized bag of M&Ms have 37g of sugar
Most foods have some frock of sugar in it, so it's very very easy to go over the recommended amount.
Too much sugar leads to a whole bunch of heath problems, including obesity. It's just so easy to consume large amounts of sugar, cheaply and you won't even be full.
I think portions and more vegetable mixed with excersize is key to being healthy. Not even so much excersizing, but more what you do in the kitchen.
this is gross.
This is basically it. It's a combination of multiple things together on a macro scale. That's why I hate when people in these types of threads try to reduce the obesity epidemic to one thing: "People just need to be less sedentary!" or "Just eat less sugar and you'll be fine!" On a macro scale, we've created a society where the default is getting fat.
With the four things listed above, I'd argue #2 feeds directly into #1. It is possible to lose weight or maintain your weight on processed, lower-quality foods. It's just harder mentally because the portion sizes are going to be much smaller and the potential to overeat is going to be much easier.
For #4, I'd also say that it's stress + general lack of free time. It's a tougher nowadays for people to feel like they have the time to cook and exercise in a dual-income household, where commutes are long, office hours can go long, and the kids have extra-curricular activities they need to be shuttled to/from after work. With that stress and lack of free time, it's easier to just throw something processed and calorie-dense in the oven or order delivery.
OpinionatedCyborg
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actually, since most people are sedentary, BMI tends to underestimate how fat people are. that is, a lot of people with normal BMIs are overfat and at increased risk for CHD, diabetes, etc.
Maybe I misunderstood you. I'm talking about the LCHF-movement and their fairytale about carbs triggering insulin which is the main cause of obesity.
entremet
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They are also eating smaller portions overall.
This carb vilification is way too simplistic.
Japan also loves their rice but they are slim.
Low carb can work but let's not vilify all carb sources. It's annoying that's such a thing is all too common.
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