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Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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donkey show
Member
Hero said:
You got one on this list right here...
http://wii.nintendo.com/virtualconsole.jsp
And if Sin and Punishment could be controlled with the Wii-mote/nunchuck... pure bliss.
soul creator
Member
borghe said:
is the itunes music store "overwhelming" because it offers a bunch of songs right off the bat (or lets say, zune marketplace, since it's new)? It's nice being able to browse a music store and just picking from pretty much anything that's been released (barring contract negotiation issues which shouldn't apply to Nintendo/Sega since it's mostly their own games). A different perspective is that it can please almost every customer right off the bat instead of having to wait for something you're looking for to hopefully maybe possibly show up within the next couple years. If Baseball for NES loses out on sales because it's part of the 30-50 games, I'm not gonna lose sleep, lol.
you do see the difference between video game releases and music releases, right? comparing the two is just asinine. compare it instead to movie releases. how many movies does Disney release a week to iTunes? How many a week will Warner release to XBL every week?soul creator said:
You can release 40 albums a week because they are divided up amongst genres. typically R&B consumers won't care what alternative albums are out, etc. So while their might be 40 albums coming out in a week, each consumer is probably only going to care about 10 of them. Gaming is much more homogeneous. Zelda is fighting with Sonic's and Bomberman's audience.
TekunoRobby
Tag of Excellence
Will it be coming out today or later in the week?deamentia said:
charlequin
Banned
soul creator said:
Different situation. iTunes is replacing an existing purchase model for something people buy all the time, instead of trying to sell people on buying (and selling) content that previously hasn't been legally available in a systemic way.
Will you lose sleep if fewer third parties participate in the VC?
SonicMegaDrive
Member
I like the fact that they are only releasing a few at a time.
It draws more attention to each individual game if there's less to choose from. It's fun hearing about people rediscovering these games, especially some of the lesser-known classics like 'Bonk's Adventure' or 'Ristar'.
Makes me happy
It draws more attention to each individual game if there's less to choose from. It's fun hearing about people rediscovering these games, especially some of the lesser-known classics like 'Bonk's Adventure' or 'Ristar'.
Makes me happy
fresquito said:
QFT. needed to try this game out since it was one of my favorite N64 games back in 1998. Besides a keyboard being horrible for N64 games, Mischief Makers apparently runs like shit on just about any computer and emulator. It needs to come out on the VC.
The VC needs Banjo Kazooie as well, which is in many ways superior to Mario 64, a game I've played too many times anyway on N64 and have on hand for DS.
Mischief Makers was some wacky shit back in the day. I had this irrational hate for it ebcause the protaganist was a girl. :lol :lolJado said:QFT. needed to try this game out since it was one of my favorite N64 games back in 1998. Besides a keyboard being horrible for N64 games, Mischief Makers apparently runs like shit on just about any computer and emulator. It needs to come out on the VC.
The VC needs Banjo Kazooie as well, which is in many ways superior to Mario 64, a game I've played too many times anyway on N64 and have on hand for DS.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
Maxrpg said:
*crosses fingers*
Netrunner2k2
Member
Maxrpg said:
:lol
I loved that game.
I could also go for Gex 64 on VC.
soul creator
Member
borghe said:
In your movie example, I disagree with those also :lol Throw them all up there and let me decide what I want to watch at a given time. For newly released movies, sure, plan the marketing however you see fit. But for older releases that have already had their time to shine, let me pick and choose whatever I want. Which I guess is why I use netflix instead of buying downloadable movies.
and I guess where we'll have to agree to disagree is that you view VC as if they were actually "new" games being released, while I don't. If I had a huge urge to play streets of rage right this moment, I'm not likely to sit and wait and hope that it'll possibly release within the next year on VC. I'll just go buy a classic compilation for another system, or get it off ebay. But if it was available now on the VC, I'd be more likely to buy it now.
Sorta reminds me how I was looking for some older De La Soul albums one day on itunes, and it wasn't available. I probably would've bought it then. But instead of waiting around hoping that Apple would add that album sometime in the future, I just ordered the CD from somewhere else.
But maybe some people are actually more likely to buy Baseball for NES for $5 because it's part of a "limited" release schedule, and wouldn't have bought it otherwise. I guess I'm not one of those people, *shrug*
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Why don't we have Super Mario RPG yet?
I mean, c'mon! The last game released for SNES shoulda been the first one downloadable
I mean, c'mon! The last game released for SNES shoulda been the first one downloadable
John Harker said:Why don't we have Super Mario RPG yet?
I mean, c'mon! The last game released for SNES shoulda been the first one downloadable
Who the heck is going to download Mario RPG the week Zelda: TP comes out? Crazy people, that's who. Just be patient. I'm sure every big name NES, SNES and N64 game will come out.
And to the guy who wants Banjo... ain't gonna happen.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Gigglepoo said:
What do the two have to do with eachother?
One's an old school (literally) RPG with Mario and jumping, the other is a newly revisioned action adventure game with Zelda and swords.
Obviously, the same exact thing.
fresquito said:
Thank you. I would have been much more vulgar.
As long as Nintendo sticks to a steady release of VC titles I don't see any reason to complain. Everything relevent will be released eventually. Just be patient.
I'll wait as long as I have to for Super Mario Kart as long as it's online.
charlequin
Banned
soul creator said:
You understand how release schedules affect game sales, right? How coming out in November/December (or the same week as a AAA title in the same genre) hurts the sales of less popular games because people buy something big-name first and never get around to going back to buy the B-list stuff? VC is the same deal. Rolling them out slowly gives every game a chance to be in the spotlight (and therefore receive a push of new sales). Over time every game will make it out there and when someone logs on in 2010 they'll probably be able to pick out whatever SNES game they want to play, but the difference is this way every game will get its chance in the sun.
It's not, like, the utopia perfect-world situation for you as a gamer, but then neither is having to pay for games in the first place. It's the same situation on XBLA, where MS isn't putting out tons of retro titles every week because it'd hurt the sales of original titles.
soul creator
Member
fresquito said:
Well, the main reason I disagreed is because "shelf-life" theoretically shouldn't apply to downloadable old games. In retail, sure, I can understand the concept of managing releases correctly so that you don't get drowned out, or even in XBLA's case where you have new indie games needing some shine, or old games with new additions to them.
But as I said before, I don't view VC games as "competing" with retail games, or even as "new releases", so that's where we're all gonna disagree I guess. If Super Mario RPG "released" the same time as Zelda, and I played Zelda first, I can always go back and buy Super Mario RPG whenever I want. It's not as if it's gonna be hard to find like an actual cartridge once I'm done with Zelda.
I guess I've always saw the VC as more of a "hey, I'm bored, let me browse the VC store...hey I remember playing that, I'll download it!" as an impulse purchase rather than "I can't wait for Super Mario RPG to be released on April 7th, 2007. Looking forward to it!"
And even if one threw all the games up at one time, that doesn't necessarily stop them from doing a "VC games of the week! Check these out" type of thing, so you could still give games shine in that way, while still pleasing the gamer who already knows exactly what they want :lol
Look for it either this afternoon or tomorrow afternoon.
Enjoy! This ain't one of those easy shooters, either.
http://hudsonent.com/gamedetail.php?game_id=45&console=1
Enjoy! This ain't one of those easy shooters, either.
http://hudsonent.com/gamedetail.php?game_id=45&console=1
Nintendo needs to get Super Mario Bros. up sometime soon. Many people who generally don't play games love the Mario sidescrollers - just hearing that you can play the old Marios on it would pique their interest.
I'd also like Majora's Mask, since my cartridge is glithced and crashes a lot...
I'd also like Majora's Mask, since my cartridge is glithced and crashes a lot...
infiniteloop
Member
Super Star Soldier! Might have to give it a go.
I want some Blaster Master.
How is Nintendo handling the ratings problem? If anyone can buy a points card, then anyone can buy Splatterhouse unless there's some kind of age check in the store.
Actually, ratings might be a reason why Nintendo can only release so many games at a time. The ESRB only has so many people.
I wonder if Nintendo and MS might strike a deal whereby the games could appear on both VC and Live Arcade.Chemo said:
How is Nintendo handling the ratings problem? If anyone can buy a points card, then anyone can buy Splatterhouse unless there's some kind of age check in the store.
Actually, ratings might be a reason why Nintendo can only release so many games at a time. The ESRB only has so many people.
dragon_feces
Member
deamentia said:
freakin hard game...i'll guess I'm going to give it another go
Father_Mike
Member
deamentia said:
i'll get it as soon as its up.
Now where is my R-type!
soul creator
Member
Axord said:
hmm, that is a possibility. Although it's hard to think any NES game even has a chance of being Teen or Mature
charlequin
Banned
soul creator said:
But... uh... you're incorrect, because it does. People are more likely to buy a game when it becomes available than later; that doesn't change based on what platform it's on or how it's sold.
Right, but that's the wrong way to think about it. What matters to Nintendo (for all releases) and third-parties (for whatever games they put up on VC) is sales. And big games like FF, Zelda, etc. will sell equally well no matter when they're released, while lesser games will do better when given a week to stand alone. This way is going to increase overall sales of many titles and therefore likely increase third parties' interest in putting games on VC.
evilromero
Member
Hudson is making the VC worthwhile.deamentia said: