evilromero
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My friend read this over the weekend. I'm going to swipe it from him when he comes over for an Excite Truck marathon.Kobun Heat said:
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Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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Kobun Heat said:
So you think Nintendo is currently barring companies like Konami from releasing stuff like Contra and Castlevania in the USA so they can release NES Soccer? I don't.
I bet the 3rd parties want to wait until the userbase is bigger before they release their stuff... just like Nintendo.
If they release all of the possible Virtual Console titles today, VC just becomes a static bullet point on the Wii's feature list. By having the roster always updated, they give the impression that there's always something new being added, even if the eking out of games is artificially slow. This gives people incentive to check the store out every week or every month.
There are always new cds and books coming out, so itunes and Amazon will always have a reason to attract people back to their site. Nintendo has a large but finite library of games to release over the Wii's life. They pretty much HAVE to have a slower release pattern if they want to still be able to add stuff 5 years from now.
It's okay guys, I'll talk to him.
*pulls Nintendo aside*
See, here's your problem. You think you can direct attention by only having a tiny amount of games. I've got a better solution.
Every day, you send a message via the message board about a discount of a particular VC game. For 24 hours (or whatever) you get a discount on that game. Attention's focused, we get a big library, everyone's happy.
*pulls Nintendo aside*
See, here's your problem. You think you can direct attention by only having a tiny amount of games. I've got a better solution.
Every day, you send a message via the message board about a discount of a particular VC game. For 24 hours (or whatever) you get a discount on that game. Attention's focused, we get a big library, everyone's happy.
Community Forum
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I bought a Nintendo Wi-Fi dongle, classic controller, and 2000 points card because I thought I was going to be able to play Gunstar Heroes.
$80 later, feel my pain...
$80 later, feel my pain...
Community Forum
Member
Oh, and the biggest ripoff ever,
saw the points cards at ShopKo for $29.99. OUCH!
saw the points cards at ShopKo for $29.99. OUCH!
I still don't agree with the counter side to the argument, but I don't have time to drum up reasons right now.. I will though.
as far as tax, it's just like the component cables. if you live in a state that has a nintendo presence (service center, sales center, hq, etc) you will get charged tax on points. however it does fall under "use tax", so it might be applied differently in some states than others.
as far as tax, it's just like the component cables. if you live in a state that has a nintendo presence (service center, sales center, hq, etc) you will get charged tax on points. however it does fall under "use tax", so it might be applied differently in some states than others.
soul creator
Member
Armitage said:
you know what, that's actually not a bad idea:lol
SHOTEH FOCK OP said:I bought a Nintendo Wi-Fi dongle, classic controller, and 2000 points card because I thought I was going to be able to play Gunstar Heroes.
$80 later, feel my pain...
Three things:
First, you could have checked the release schedule before you spent all the money. Second, you could have bought a Genesis, two controllers and Gunstar Heroes for much cheaper than $80. Third, it will come out eventually. Just play some Solomon's Key while you wait.
Oh, and Toejam and Earl! Isn't that up on the VC as well? Man, I love that game.
SHOTEH FOCK OP said:I bought a Nintendo Wi-Fi dongle, classic controller, and 2000 points card because I thought I was going to be able to play Gunstar Heroes.
$80 later, feel my pain...
There is still time to make it right and get a 2nd controller before Gunstar arrives.
It's one of the best co-op games ever.
Nintendo should give out points with each Wii game purchase. Give out like 300 points per game. It would give people incentive to buy Wii games...give people incentive to check out the VC stuff...and because it's less points than any game it may get them to buy more points. WIN WIN WIN!
Netrunner2k2
Member
maynerd said:
300 points is a lot. That is 3 dollars back from a game, which would make a lot of games 2-3 dollars. That would involve Nintendo losing money, which isn't going to happen.
Though, maybe some days they can have a % off VC purchases to make things cheaper. I don't see that happening either though.
Kobun Heat
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You're wrong.Unison said:
I disagree. Well, not on the point that by definition there won't be any more classic games. That's self-evident. But Nintendo isn't limited to their own library. Who's to say they couldn't go further back and add Atari's games? Intellivision? Activision? SG-1000? 32X? There's lots of content. To say nothing of original games.
I'm not saying that they need to go whole-hog or nothing. There are several intermediate steps they could take in the meantime; one of which is to get America up to speed with Japan. Look at what they're starting with. That's significantly better.
Catalog dump or no, ten games a month is just fuckin' screwy.
soul creator
Member
Unison said:
As mentioned before, why not have a big catalog to attract a larger userbase? This argument makes sense for actual retail games that require a ton of effort going into them, but the idea of Capcom being hesitant about putting Mega Man 2 up because of a small userbase seems kinda strange. Especially if the basic NES emulation technology is already working pretty well.
Unison said:
Yeah, but having hundreds/thousands of games available for anyone who owns a Wii at any time is one hell of a bullet point :lol
And in that situation, I wouldn't have to check the store every week or every month...this would give me incentive to check every day and always have something new to play (these are 8-16 bit games, so it's not like they require a huge amount of playtime, with the exception of rpgs, zelda, stuff like that).
Unison said:
the "new cds and books" for VC should be indie games and/or downloadable content, which I thought Nintendo originally planned for. So generally
new cd's and books = indie games, downloadable content, old games with new additions to them, "Virtual Console spotlight" game discounts or something
old cd's and books = all the old games that are unchanged, and just need the basic emulator working.
Netrunner2k2
Member
maynerd said:
I don't mean losing money as in paying some money instead of making profit. What I meant was Nintendo making 4 dollars instead of 2, or whatever it is. I have no idea how much it costs them to keep those servers up as well as paying companies like Hudson, Tecmo, and the like to put their games on the VC service. Of course, I don't know if Nintendo pays on a per game sold or a per game basis.
Of All Trades
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If Nintendo sticks to the 10/month policy then they'll be barring someone, since that amounts to only 600 titles over the next 5 years, which is a tiny fraction of the games released over 5 consoles and 15 years.Unison said:
They could release 10 games per week and still never get every game on the VC. Yeah, some of those games may be trash, but I'm having a hard time thinking of worse games than Pinball and Urban Champion. Hell, if I was a "casual/non-gamer" and bought Urban Champion first, I'd probably write off the entire VC because $5 for that stinker is a god damn travesty.
Plus, I thought there was supposed to be original content on VC. It certainly got brought up by nintendo fans every time the limited appeal of VC was mentioned.
Netrunner2k2 said:
Wait, Nintendo pays them? I don't think so. Wouldn't Konami have to pay Nintendo for the right to have their game on the VC? Wouldn't Konami want to make more money from Contra, 20 years after it came out? Nintendo is paying for the server to host it, but I'm sure they are getting licensing fees from third parties anyway.
Netrunner2k2
Member
Armitage said:
Yeah, something less, but not taking 50%+ off of of some games.
I know what you mean by unused points. I have 140 Live points right now that annoy me. I REALLY wish they and Nintendo(since I think Sony is going by straight dollar, no points) would let you just buy the difference and standard packs of points.
Don't get me wrong... I definitely think there's huge room for improvement among the current Virtual Console lineup, but at the same time I see the logic behind what Nintendo is doing. VC game purchases are probably impulse buys for the average Wii user. The longer Nintendo can keep people checking the VC storefront, the better the more impulse purchases they can generate.
To be honest, I don't expect new / indie games to be a large part of VC sales... it could happen, I guess, but it just doesn't seem like Nintendo to spend money making new content when they could make more by just recycling old content.
I am not happy about Nintendo's VC release plans (though the price is a much bigger issue to me than the release dates), but I think they are making more money this way in the long run than if they offered every possible game on day 1.
To be honest, I don't expect new / indie games to be a large part of VC sales... it could happen, I guess, but it just doesn't seem like Nintendo to spend money making new content when they could make more by just recycling old content.
I am not happy about Nintendo's VC release plans (though the price is a much bigger issue to me than the release dates), but I think they are making more money this way in the long run than if they offered every possible game on day 1.
Netrunner2k2
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GDJustin said:Nintendo PAYS companies to put games up on their VC service, eh?
Methinks you have things backwards
Do I? Maybe I do!
soul creator
Member
GDJustin said:Nintendo PAYS companies to put games up on their VC service, eh?
Methinks you have things backwards
heh, if I had some old games lying around that I'm not doing anything with, I'd probably want to put them up on the VC as soon as possible. Little effort for easy money.
At this point in time, my own personal Genesis library is bigger than what Sega offers on the VC, maybe I should rent out my cartridges :lol
soul creator
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Netrunner2k2 said:
this'll sound weird, but I actually recommend using those "leftover" points at the zune marketplace. You can sign into there with your existing gamertag/passport and use the same points there. Personally, I can get more use out of an 80 point song I like, compared to an 80 point picture pack or whatever. And even though the songs technically have DRM like on iTunes, at the very least, you can stream them to your 360 since it is Microsoft behind it.
Of All Trades said:
I don't expect 10/month to last more than a year.... I definitely expect game releases to start coming more quickly once the userbase is bigger and the VC back catalog is bigger
Yeah, there's definitely a big problem with the games that they're picking now. I guess it's tough to get people to buy Urban Champion if you offer them something like Street Fighter 2, but that doesn't exactly make me want to get Urban Champion anyhow.
Netrunner2k2
Member
soul creator said:
Awesome, I didn't know about that. Thanks, man.
I can't connect to the wii store. When I perform a connection test in the system menu it works no problem, but it hangs up on the "connecting" screen forever in the store now
And it's doubly annoying because I have to hard reset the the system to get out.
And it's doubly annoying because I have to hard reset the the system to get out.
bobbyconover
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Sp3eD said:I live in Oregon and have no tax for online points.....oh wait I don't have sales tax on anything
You also can't pump your own gas. Everything's backwards down there!
http://wii.nintendo.com/virtualconsole.jsp
LIES.
I want Gunstar and Ice Hockey. Does anyone know what time of day the TG-16 went live last week? Might give us an idea as to when this update is coming.
LIES.
I want Gunstar and Ice Hockey. Does anyone know what time of day the TG-16 went live last week? Might give us an idea as to when this update is coming.
If you live in Texas and buy stuff online you have to pay sales tax sometimes. Wii points are one of those times. I'm sure they'd charge tax in stores too.
I don't really mind that they're not blowing their load all at once on the VC. It's one of the features I bought my Wii for but certainly not the most important one, so it's a minor annoyance at worst. I wasn't planning on buying a ****ton of games anyway.
I don't really mind that they're not blowing their load all at once on the VC. It's one of the features I bought my Wii for but certainly not the most important one, so it's a minor annoyance at worst. I wasn't planning on buying a ****ton of games anyway.
Netrunner2k2
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allarise said:
What part is a lie?
AndoCalrissian
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There isn't a release schedule. I don't think we knew what games were coming at launch until it launched, no?Gigglepoo said:
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
thanks to everyone who suggested solomon's key!
you're right--for a lolo fanatic like myself this is a hidden gem.
you're right--for a lolo fanatic like myself this is a hidden gem.
Zerodoppler
Member
I still don't get why it has to be just VC mondays. Why not spread out the two or three games to different days of the week and get people to check out the store more often. Who knows, people might actually pick up an extra game or two that way.
soul creator
Member
threeball said:
nah. I grew up in Oak Cliff, so I'm used to Carter and Kimball kicking ass most of the time :lol
Don't keep up with HS football anymore though
Kobun Heat
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This will not happen.KDups said:
Grampa Simpson
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Sure there will be indie games. They won't be NES or SNES, but instead be Wii games that pattern their graphics to be similar to 8 or 16 bit games. Think Four Swords for the GC or Castle Crashers that's in beta for XBLA.Kobun Heat said: