DiipuSurotu
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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses
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Eolz
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I think they'll join the PS/DVG/EELV/PRG group. It's not the same dynamic as last time.
As expected by most people. It's stupid that FI is claiming he cheated.
Gurgelhals
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For whatever it is worth, the founder of game publisher Infogrames and thus the guy who brought you such classics as Alone in the Dark, Prisoners of Ice, and Outcast, has been elected for LREM ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Bonnell ).
Still have fond memories of some of their games from the 1990s. But then they expanded like crazy, rebranded themselves as Atari, and their games started to suck until the company finally collapsed under its own weight. Hope that's not a bad omen
Still have fond memories of some of their games from the 1990s. But then they expanded like crazy, rebranded themselves as Atari, and their games started to suck until the company finally collapsed under its own weight. Hope that's not a bad omen
harriet the spy
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This makes me irrationally happy.For whatever it is worth, the founder of game publisher Infogrames and thus the guy who brought you such classics as Alone in the Dark, Prisoners of Ice, and Outcast, has been elected for LREM ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Bonnell ).
Still have fond memories of some of their games from the 1990s. But then they expanded like crazy, rebranded themselves as Atari, and their games started to suck until the company finally collapsed under its own weight. Hope that's not a bad omen
The intro of AITD is one of the all times great. So is the music
i'm incredibly sad that northern france has become such a big fn territory, it used to be the leftmost region in france, now it's incredibly fucked. incredibly mad at the socialist elites for letting that happen.
glad that a few left wing mps from fi or pcf could be elected at least. but still this is so so fucking me up.
glad that a few left wing mps from fi or pcf could be elected at least. but still this is so so fucking me up.
Seriously, I'm starting to get pissed at this constant "anti-democratic" rhetoric coming from FI. We have fair elections and institutions, fucking respect them.
It's possible that irregularities could have happened, but in this case you substantiate your claims and you file an appeal, you don't throw a trumpian tantrum about elections being rigged and gather a mob.
So, Macron apparently sued a local paper because they leaked part of his job market reform plans (not the leaker(s), the paper itself), and some recent articles in reputable German press paint a rather disturbing picture of him: Equating himself to Charles de Gaulle, being full of disdain and mistrust against parties and the whole democratic process.
I'm sorry, but some parts of Macron seem like a liberal version of Trump: Someone who acts like a CEO rather than a president and sets out to ruthlessly "fix" a country like some bankrupt company, with little regard for deliberation and political process. Absolute majority for him is not good news, especially with the misproportional effects of the voting system and the extremely low voter participation.
I'm sorry, but some parts of Macron seem like a liberal version of Trump: Someone who acts like a CEO rather than a president and sets out to ruthlessly "fix" a country like some bankrupt company, with little regard for deliberation and political process. Absolute majority for him is not good news, especially with the misproportional effects of the voting system and the extremely low voter participation.
DiipuSurotu
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Source? I knew he filed a complaint for the fake Bahamas account rumors, but I didn't know about this (new?) leak.
His department of employment sued the editorial staff of "Le Parisien" because they published plans for his job market reform.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...macron-zum-absoluten-monarchen-a-1152770.html
This SZ-Article from today does not paint him in a good light at all:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/frankreich-warum-macrons-ungeduld-gefaehrlich-ist-1.3549253-2
His style of politics gets called authoritarian liberalism and he wants to do away with both unions and political parties as much as possible, meaning, not involve them in anything and pull more or less a Thatcher on France. In his party, he is more or less the de-facto dictator.
Keep in mind that both papers are liberal/leftwing-liberal and preferred him over Melenchon and the others in the election.
Yeah sorry, aside from being able to compare himself favorable to Trump and do some good PR, this guys seems to turn out exactly like many feared and expected: Not as bad as Le Pen, but not an inch more, seems to be the definition of an extreme centrist and he has definitely a problem with how democracy works. Like I already said, his disregard for politics is a definitive similarity to Trump.
Alx
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While the exact complaint was ambiguous at first, in the end they only filed a complaint for theft (the leaked documents), which doesnt target the press.
http://www.lci.fr/politique/fuites-...ravail-met-de-l-eau-dans-son-vin-2055401.html
So you got so worked up and reached all these conclusions from one incident that in the end it doesn't even seem to be as you say it it?
Ghostandgoblin
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Come on, cut the crap.
Yeah anyone saying that discredits themselves.
Well, in a couple months, there has already been several clashes between Macron's staff and the press (with Quotidien, for the Mali visit, etc.) Macron also wants to defend business against the press (he talked about it recently, but he also supported a law about this two years ago). I would be surprised if things went smoothly with press in the coming years.
Are you having some kind of reading comprehension problem? I literally said that Macron is of course better as Le Pen, but that he as of now, he is exactly the lesser evil and hard-centrist many people expected him to be, which is based on reporting about his thinking and his style of governing by several reputable media outlets.
I'm sorry this view differs from the impression you, though I have to give it to him that his PR team does a good job to make him look like a nice young man compared to Trump and May, and I'm sorry that you can't grasp the dangers that arise from a president that seems to have an enormous disregard for standard political process, parties and unions and who now has an absolute majority with a party that is strictly hierarchical and solely lead by himself. The recent fuzz about the leak is only a detail, though a worrying one.
We will see how far he gets when he starts to dismantle worker's rights and treats media and opposition in and outside of parliament as nothing but an annoying nuisance, even though the hard numbers from all three elections that he is very far away from having a majority of the population behind him. For now, Macron seems like a CEO, not a politician. The signs are definitely there.
I share most of your worries (though not totally convinced, we'll see - and I still like him more than Trump or May -) but as far as the party go, I think we may be surprised.
A good part of the party will be like this, but when you draft in people that don't have a political past, and may not be annoyed at going back to "normal" job later, some of them are bound to voice their disagreements.
They build the party on Macron's image, but I'm not sure that, at the end of the day, it's anymore hierarchical as any other party, maybe even less so.
At least the Sueddeutsche article doesn't paint him as being a non-democrat or anything. The only thing mentioned is him being not actively promoting or approaching unions for input on his reforms. And him being focused on rapidly transforming the labor laws in France, because the old system of just adding a clause or two does not work (and the analysis agrees with him on that).
So citing the article to paint him as a threat to democracy is just a projection and wanting to confirm own biases.
Not everything you don't agree with is authoritarian and undemocratic. Especially since that specific program you don't like was clearly supported by the party who obtained a comfortable majority in the elections that just happened.
You have to learn that the representative democracy works with the population that is actively interested in voting. While staying at home is a valid political stance it also means that in reality the only objective achieved is increasing the power of the real votes.
So Macron won the presidency and his party won the legislative and now some are outraged that he is going to implement his program?
Also funny how accusing him of acting as a CEO and linking this with some "Trump lite" character shows how one has no idea how a CEO works. If Trump would have been a real CEO answering to real shareholders he wouldn't have lasted 1 year in that position.
Edit: it can happen that democratic elected people to act authoritarian, but that should be proven by the the acts of breaking some laws or conventions, not by an economic program. Take Trump, he tries to actively discriminate based on religion and tries to overrule the judicial power.
You have to learn that the representative democracy works with the population that is actively interested in voting. While staying at home is a valid political stance it also means that in reality the only objective achieved is increasing the power of the real votes.
So Macron won the presidency and his party won the legislative and now some are outraged that he is going to implement his program?
Also funny how accusing him of acting as a CEO and linking this with some "Trump lite" character shows how one has no idea how a CEO works. If Trump would have been a real CEO answering to real shareholders he wouldn't have lasted 1 year in that position.
Edit: it can happen that democratic elected people to act authoritarian, but that should be proven by the the acts of breaking some laws or conventions, not by an economic program. Take Trump, he tries to actively discriminate based on religion and tries to overrule the judicial power.
Ghostandgoblin
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If you want to have a discussion, then you have to learn to express yourself properly. "Not as bad as Le Pen, but not an inch more" first of all doesn't mean a thing. Then the meaning seems close to a not that better than her. And I'm sorry but that is a stupid statement. You don't build a discussion on Godwin's law equivalent like that.
And for your information this isn't about macron, telling the same thing about Mélenchon or even Fillon would trigger the exact same reaction from me. So yes, I insist, cut the crap.
Yeah, you know exactly what I think of him and his project. I surely am a pour soul fooled by all the paris match covers and the PR, la crème de la crème. So again, cut the crap. I wasn't commenting that part but your ridiculous comparisons. But now I want to comment that too, thanks for your insight.
Enormous disregard, yeah, sure. For the moment all I see is the french democratic law being applied. He was elected fair and square, he has a majority in the AN after his deputés won their elections. But yes, he had the audacity to create his own mouvement, my god such disregard for the parties, what a prick.
On your union comment, are they protesting ? I haven't heard of it, so I think that they are ok with it for the moment. Where is the disregard ? Now if you have an article on the unions calling for a protest, send it to me.
The signs, the signs !
Come on, I'm not even a fan of the guy but calling for the end of the world after reading those two german article is crazy.
Palette Swap
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Anti-intellectualism in a bullying tone? Mélenchon sounded like a mix between Hanouna and Le Pen. No shit young people like him.
Seriously, this verbal attack on Villani wasn't to his credit.
Seriously, this verbal attack on Villani wasn't to his credit.
Gurgelhals
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Guys, what is happening over there with four ministers quitting the government including, now, Bayrou? Is this good news (= Macron making good on his anti-corruption promise) or bad news (= LREM's most important allied party already quitting the government)?
GhostTrick
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"most important" "MoDem" lol :")
It's neither good or bad. Three left because they're into affairs. One left because of these affairs.
Bayrou and Marielle de Sarnez were only there because they brought support. But their movement is worth nothing in term of voters.
Modem's leaving the government because the whole party's involved in a scandal over misuse of European funds.
Modem will still support the government in the National Assembly. But even if they stopped supporting it, it wouldn't really matter : LREM has an absolute majority without the Modem, 308 seats out of 577.
harriet the spy
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Yea, that was pretty pathetic. Very expected of him though.
Gurgelhals
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I guess it just looks a bit odd sacking four ministers of a newly formed government right after an election that has given it a huge mandate. You know, "optics" and stuff...
Then again, it's probably better this way than to just kick the can down the road and risk another Cahuzac situation, I guess.
Then again, it's probably better this way than to just kick the can down the road and risk another Cahuzac situation, I guess.
I´m really hoping the Modem can stay on board and keep supporting the government, and maybe join again later if they/ for those that are cleared. It would be pretty bad for the goverment to already be losing support; Besides, I agree with the demands they made when they made their agreement.
With that said, it´s Bayrou that insisted that it was necessary to "moralize" the government. No need to put these kind of reforms in danger, pretty noble of them if that´s why they left.
With that said, it´s Bayrou that insisted that it was necessary to "moralize" the government. No need to put these kind of reforms in danger, pretty noble of them if that´s why they left.
The law was Bayrou's pet project no? I hope they keep that at least.
They let Ferrand leave which probably makes the government look better in general as well. Macron at least needs to make it seem like somewhat of a political rebirth.
Alx
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I guess it's better to have those people leave rather than be open to criticism by keeping them in the governement while campaigning for more morality.
I can't shake the feeling that since the Fillon affair, a can of worms has been opened and everybody is pushing his own leaks to hurt specific politicians. Feels very dirty, even if the cases are real.
Anyway, funny how the project of "pushing parts of the state of emergency into law" generated outcries that it would be an attack on privacy and liberties... and now that the outline of the project is official, it seems especially tame (basically, the police can ask for a search, but you're free to refuse). To the point that now the right is criticizing it for not going far enough.
I can't shake the feeling that since the Fillon affair, a can of worms has been opened and everybody is pushing his own leaks to hurt specific politicians. Feels very dirty, even if the cases are real.
Anyway, funny how the project of "pushing parts of the state of emergency into law" generated outcries that it would be an attack on privacy and liberties... and now that the outline of the project is official, it seems especially tame (basically, the police can ask for a search, but you're free to refuse). To the point that now the right is criticizing it for not going far enough.
Alx
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Well that part is specific to large public events. The four main points of the new law would be :
1. Instead of house arrests, prefects and ministers can force people to stay within a given area (at least city-sized). Ankle monitors can be used only with the approbation of the restricted person.
2. Home searches ("perquisitions administratives") will need to be authorized by prefects and judges.
3. Prefects will be allowed to close places of worship which spread pro-jihad messages.
4. For events like concerts, fooball matches, large meetings etc., the prefect can allow pat-downs and visual control of bags. Vehicles in the area can be asked to be searched, and if the owner refuses he'll have to leave the area.
http://www.rtl.fr/actu/politique/lo...es-quatre-mesures-phares-du-projet-7789046620
Alx
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Well we French have a special relationship with denouncement, which isn't really welcome however true it can be.
Anyway it's no secret that there are small abuses everywhere. Some of the "cases" currently investigated aren't involving that much money, and some of them were even labeled "legal, but not very moral". A lot of it is currently a grey area (even parts of the Fillon case).
It's probably time to put things in order indeed, but you don't do it by being uncompromising, as a matter of fact most major transitions come with some sort of amnesty to make it easier (for example the new law will make hiring relatives illegal, but there's no need to go hunt for all the politicians who have hired relatives in the past 10 years).
So they're not even going to share a group with FI? Talk about being dumb...
They're going to get wiped out the next election if the proportional system is not implemented by then.
I'm not sure the Communist party would benefit from the proportional system, they're vimplanted in a few different places and do good there.
BaronLundi
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Isn't G.O.O. working in a library?
I'm a "contractuel" myself, not a fonctionnaire, which has drawbacks but more benefits as far as I'm concerned so I don't intend to become "titulaire" at this point and don't know much about external concours...
I reckon you've already looked into www.carrieres-publiques.com and infos.emploipublic.fr. I guess the first rather important choice would be to either go for the Fonction publique d'Etat or Territoriale.
You might also want to look into the concours to be conservateur if you have the drive and qualifications (have you got your "licence" or not yet?).
Thanks.
Yeah I have a licence d'anglais in uni, this past year I was studying to get a master but I've flunked out... so I'm looking to get into something new next year, and maybe getting a master isn't for me (I validated everything but I failed the mémoire, basically)
I'm going to ask my uni's SCUIO for orientation help, it's a very recent decision for me so I don't really know where to look, so thanks for the links.
I should probably be more knowledgable about it since both my parents are fonctionnaires
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