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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload
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Xamtheking
Member
Only a scum would say that
Surely you would've considered being a NK early on? when almost everyone is on the table.
what ? not one single night ? give me a fucking break
Not really. I was scum read a lot on D1.
right, and scum could kill you to set up those who went after you strongly?
Or those who scum read me could investigate me. It's pretty negative utility to town most of the time.
Xamtheking
Member
Splinter plz remove head from ass
We need to pick two targets today. One to lynch and one for Bronx' chain hook.
Depending on what happens overnight we will likely need to lynch Bronx' target, so basically we just need our top 2 lynch targets.
To spell it out, I'm assuming there is only one scum left, so now Bronx is effectively another hider. If we tell him to target town, scum can choose to kill Bronx to paint that townie as scum, but since that target is a top candidate anyway it's not a big deal that we got a false flag on them.
Comprendé?
Let's try kitty and Ty. Ty no veteran shenanigans pls.
Actually I guess we can lynch Ty, chain hook kitty.
Pull your head out of my ass, Xam.
Oh and if Bronx survives tonight then we can try again, if he survives again we lynch him (that would be before lylo right?).
How many do we even need to check?
Ty
Kitty
Stan
Xam
Maybe nin?
Example to see if this works:
Lynch Ty, chain hook kitty, I die overnight, kitty is now confirmed town and Bronx can try again.
Or
Lynch Ty, chain hook kitty, Bronx dies overnight, lynch Kitty, he was town but we're no worse off than doing nothing and lynched the same people we probably would have anyway. Oh and scum was forced to kill Bronx, bringing the confirmed players ever closer to lylo.
Yeah that'll do.
Depending on what happens overnight we will likely need to lynch Bronx' target, so basically we just need our top 2 lynch targets.
To spell it out, I'm assuming there is only one scum left, so now Bronx is effectively another hider. If we tell him to target town, scum can choose to kill Bronx to paint that townie as scum, but since that target is a top candidate anyway it's not a big deal that we got a false flag on them.
Comprendé?
Let's try kitty and Ty. Ty no veteran shenanigans pls.
Actually I guess we can lynch Ty, chain hook kitty.
Pull your head out of my ass, Xam.
Oh and if Bronx survives tonight then we can try again, if he survives again we lynch him (that would be before lylo right?).
How many do we even need to check?
Ty
Kitty
Stan
Xam
Maybe nin?
Example to see if this works:
Lynch Ty, chain hook kitty, I die overnight, kitty is now confirmed town and Bronx can try again.
Or
Lynch Ty, chain hook kitty, Bronx dies overnight, lynch Kitty, he was town but we're no worse off than doing nothing and lynched the same people we probably would have anyway. Oh and scum was forced to kill Bronx, bringing the confirmed players ever closer to lylo.
Yeah that'll do.
That's... brilliant.
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Unconfirmed:
Ty4on
kingkitty
StanleyPalmtree
Bronx-Man
Xamtheking
Confirmed
*Splinter
~cabot
~nin1000
Lynch me, hook kingkitty, Splinter dies
Unconfirmed:
StanleyPalmtree
Bronx-Man
Xamtheking
Confirmed
kingkitty
~cabot
~nin1000
Lynch Stanley, hook Xam, kingkitty dies
Unconfirmed:
Bronx-Man
Confirmed
Xamtheking
~cabot
~nin1000
No lynch, hook nin, Xam dies
Unconfirmed:
Bronx-Man
~nin1000
Confirmed
~cabot
Either we've already captured/lynched scum or Bronx is scum.
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Unconfirmed:
Ty4on
kingkitty
StanleyPalmtree
Bronx-Man
Xamtheking
Confirmed
*Splinter
~cabot
~nin1000
Lynch me, hook kingkitty, Splinter dies
Unconfirmed:
StanleyPalmtree
Bronx-Man
Xamtheking
Confirmed
kingkitty
~cabot
~nin1000
Lynch Stanley, hook Xam, kingkitty dies
Unconfirmed:
Bronx-Man
Confirmed
Xamtheking
~cabot
~nin1000
No lynch, hook nin, Xam dies
Unconfirmed:
Bronx-Man
~nin1000
Confirmed
~cabot
Either we've already captured/lynched scum or Bronx is scum.
If scum plays a curveball:
Unconfirmed:
Ty4on
kingkitty
StanleyPalmtree
Bronx-Man
Xamtheking
Confirmed
*Splinter
~cabot
~nin1000
Lynch me, hook kingkitty, Bronx dies
Unconfirmed:
kingkitty
StanleyPalmtree
Xamtheking
Confirmed
*Splinter
~cabot
~nin1000
We're in a better position with no confirmed(ish) dead and two unconfirmed dead.
Unconfirmed:
Ty4on
kingkitty
StanleyPalmtree
Bronx-Man
Xamtheking
Confirmed
*Splinter
~cabot
~nin1000
Lynch me, hook kingkitty, Bronx dies
Unconfirmed:
kingkitty
StanleyPalmtree
Xamtheking
Confirmed
*Splinter
~cabot
~nin1000
We're in a better position with no confirmed(ish) dead and two unconfirmed dead.
It hadn't occurred to me at all. Had to go back and check again that Bronx had unlimited use of it.
No I mean "Duh, of course it's brilliant, it was my idea"
Hence the surprise. Usually those ideas come from me.
Oh no, what will we do if scum chooses not to kill?
Point taken.
Xamtheking
Member
So we lynch ty, bronx hooks kitty, and we go from there?
I would think chain hook has to have higher priority since it affects targeting.
Only one way to find out, lover.
I'm just happy I got to vote some scum out
At least it wasn't a new Heist.
VOTE: kingkitty
I don't think scum has a blocker. We have so many targeting roles and nobody have said they were blocked.
Blocker is the simplest explanation as to why AB is dead.
I know what I am, and scum nin has been covered. There's a lot of questionable convolutions to get there.
Only other possibility I can think is scum switcher, though there should have been 2 kills in that case. Scum switch AB with scum, and kill someone else. Possible they targeted me since I hadn't claimed before that night phase, but still a little complicated.
A roleblocker in an all PR game is pretty useful for scum.
I know what I am, and scum nin has been covered. There's a lot of questionable convolutions to get there.
Only other possibility I can think is scum switcher, though there should have been 2 kills in that case. Scum switch AB with scum, and kill someone else. Possible they targeted me since I hadn't claimed before that night phase, but still a little complicated.
A roleblocker in an all PR game is pretty useful for scum.
I've bolded the ones that could be blocked.
Of those:
0) Nothing to go on. He didn't hint at any role that targeted.
1) Fran could have been blocked, doubt he would've been notified.
2) AB has been covered
3) Ouro was killed phase after claiming
4) Sophia never claimed before she died
5) *Splinter may have been blocked but he's used his powers sporadically
6) melonrabbit didnt claim, didn't really imply her role before flip.
7) Ynnek was lynched D1
8) WAMD could've been blocked, though her failed condition means she'd have to have been blocked all 3 nights (and goes against Burb and Sophia dying)
9) Theoretically kitty could have been blocked at least on AB, though that means nin is scum and I still don't believe it.
10) nin claimed but when saying he'd protect me, he would've killed scum with his vet ability. Nin probably wasn't blocked.
11) Stan hadn't claimed before using his power.
My question is 'Of all the roles in this game, how many could actually know for sure they were blocked?'
There's what 5? nin (2 out of 3 powers), Stan, melon, Splinter and kitty by their claims.
I'm just happy I got to vote some scum out
At least it wasn't a new Heist.
VOTE: kingkitty
I don't think scum has a blocker. We have so many targeting roles and nobody have said they were blocked.
if you think kitty is scum but not blocker, what do you think he is?
a 2-shot tracker for scum is obviously a lie. Town Tracker is for finding scum, Scum Tracker is for finding PRs. Sort of useless in a role madness game.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Ty4on (2)
nin1000 .3065 .3081
Bronx-Man .3128
cabot .3132
kingkitty (2)
cabot .3044 .3089
Bronx-Man .3090 .3128
cabot .3092 .3097
Xamtheking .3096
Ty4on .3138
nin1000 (1)
kingkitty .3063
cabot (0)
cabot .3089 .3092
No active vote for Day 7:
*Splinter
Mazre
nin1000 (has previously voted)
StanleyPalmtree
Day 7 ends:
5 votes for majority
Ty4on (2)
Bronx-Man .3128
cabot .3132
kingkitty (2)
Xamtheking .3096
Ty4on .3138
nin1000 (1)
kingkitty .3063
cabot (0)
No active vote for Day 7:
*Splinter
Mazre
nin1000 (has previously voted)
StanleyPalmtree
Day 7 ends:
5 votes for majority
I'm kinda leaning C, something unique, as we've had a couple of those roles. Maybe a second strong kill looking at how many protective roles we had. Dunno what the precedence for that is.
I am picturing a game though where, say, franconp was blocked and receives an "action failed" message. It's more likely they have a blocker if non-investigative roles didn't get that message.
You know what, thinking more on this. A 2-shot Town Tracker is also a really bad role in a role madness.
Here's a worked example.
Bob is a player in a role madness game. All hail Bob. He has a wife, two loving kids. The struggles at home are putting strain on him, but he gets true pleasure logging onto KnifeNet and playing mafia with some dudes and dudettes.
He's playing a Role Madness game named Bar Mafia. He's been given a 2-shot town-aligned tracker role. Neat he says, before he has to nurse kid 1 after she got a mild fever from a walk earlier in the week. He ponders his target after an eventful day 1.
Let's call the target CzarTim.
CzarTim is a rogue, rude to everyone. Hates puppies, endorses white supremacy. Utter scum.
Old Bob has been around the block a few times, he knows white supremacy is an immediate scumtell, so he decides 'Well, I'm my uncle, better target this chap tonight!'
The results come in, CzarTim visited Kawlo, the town leader and all round endorser of the peek concept.
Kawlo flips on Day start.
Well jings, Bob's found the scum!
Hang on a mo, Bob thinks, everyone's got a role here, what if good old Bob here hit the neutral cowlicker MS sales person role? Doh! Bob has some more work to do. Bob then gives his wife a back massage and goes about his life.
He spends the day phase sending some serious shade at white supremacist CzarTim, who has decided to just list his top 5 favourite fascists for some godawful reason. The day ends with a lynch on Urobulus, some idiot no one really liked.
Night comes and good old loving, reliable Bob tracks CzarTim yet again. He visits well loved community member squidyTheG. The day starts, but disaster! Bob discovers squidyTheG is still alive! Noooooo!!!!
Whatever does it mean? With his two shots used up, poor Bob isn't really close to determining if horrible, evil, disgusting, vile, crooked white supremacist CzarTim is scum or not. THE END
TL;DR - 2-shot Town Tracker in a role madness game is pretty unreliable for finding anything with consistent evidence.
Here's a worked example.
Bob is a player in a role madness game. All hail Bob. He has a wife, two loving kids. The struggles at home are putting strain on him, but he gets true pleasure logging onto KnifeNet and playing mafia with some dudes and dudettes.
He's playing a Role Madness game named Bar Mafia. He's been given a 2-shot town-aligned tracker role. Neat he says, before he has to nurse kid 1 after she got a mild fever from a walk earlier in the week. He ponders his target after an eventful day 1.
Let's call the target CzarTim.
CzarTim is a rogue, rude to everyone. Hates puppies, endorses white supremacy. Utter scum.
Old Bob has been around the block a few times, he knows white supremacy is an immediate scumtell, so he decides 'Well, I'm my uncle, better target this chap tonight!'
The results come in, CzarTim visited Kawlo, the town leader and all round endorser of the peek concept.
Kawlo flips on Day start.
Well jings, Bob's found the scum!
Hang on a mo, Bob thinks, everyone's got a role here, what if good old Bob here hit the neutral cowlicker MS sales person role? Doh! Bob has some more work to do. Bob then gives his wife a back massage and goes about his life.
He spends the day phase sending some serious shade at white supremacist CzarTim, who has decided to just list his top 5 favourite fascists for some godawful reason. The day ends with a lynch on Urobulus, some idiot no one really liked.
Night comes and good old loving, reliable Bob tracks CzarTim yet again. He visits well loved community member squidyTheG. The day starts, but disaster! Bob discovers squidyTheG is still alive! Noooooo!!!!
Whatever does it mean? With his two shots used up, poor Bob isn't really close to determining if horrible, evil, disgusting, vile, crooked white supremacist CzarTim is scum or not. THE END
TL;DR - 2-shot Town Tracker in a role madness game is pretty unreliable for finding anything with consistent evidence.
Don't you talk about Bob like that.
