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PAL Charts - Week 13, 2014

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Rolf NB

Member
RamzaIsCool said:
Before the announcements of these console, there was a general feeling in the industry that MS would destroy Sony this gen. This included making serious gains in Sony dominated countries. I think nobody really expected it to turn out like this.
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Anyone who believed that didn't look at what's going on rationally. You only have to compare what Microsoft's first party was eight years ago, and what it is now. The dismantling of their studio capacity was drastically apparent even before the announcement.

Also easy enough to know is that Microsoft cannot compete with Sony as a hardware designers and manufacturers. Given equal spec targets, Sony will always do a more efficient, more elegant design. And even given same final design, Sony could still manufacture it cheaper. That's the natural benefits of an excercised core competence. Blu-ray and Cell kinda made that less apparent during the last gen, because there was way more price pressure on Sony than on Microsoft. But that wasn't what I'd consider "equal spec targets" either. Comparing Xbone vs PS4 specs, physicals and price, it's pretty clear cut though.

Post-announcement factors:
*no natural momentum transfer from Xbox 360 => Xbone (no BC, no cross-buy)
*not price competitive (reasonable to assume before, then confirmed)
*not spec competitive (kind of the real shocker, until you realize how blowing 3 billion transistors on ESRAM is exactly the kind of thing that happens if you don't really do hardware design)
 
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Moonstone

Member
Raist said:
Anyway, numbers for 2013 were:

FR >€2.7B
GE €2.66B
UK £2.19B (which is like 2.6B considering the average exchange rate in 2013).

But Germany has >80M inhabitants vs ~65 for the UK and FR.
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That 2.66B is from that shitty newzoo report. The GFK/BIU report is more detailed and has the german market at 2.41B (1.82B software/ 0.59B hardware & accessoires).
The whole study is conducted by GFK, so they have full tracked sales and internal data and GFK does a survey that include 25k consumers, which is a pretty big sample and GFK obviously knows how to do such things as it is their core business.
Newzoo reports seem always kinda fishy. And they always include a made up category where the individual country is at #1 or #2 to get headlines.

I think it's hard to compare those markets, because we don't know what those reports cover on the digital front. Don't know if FR/GB include hardware or accessoires. And we also don't know how point cards get tracked.

I don't think that UK is not #1 anymore. At least for games we talk on GAF it's the biggest market.
Looking at hardware LtD gives a good picture. Or what games like GTA, CoD and Fifa sell.

A big part of the german pc market is lowbudget. You can see this from the low average price of pc games and how much retails space those simulators and Wimmelbildspiele get. Steam is pretty big though.
Steamstats give a good hint. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/content/
 
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Raist

Banned
Moonstone said:
That 2.66B is from that shitty newzoo report. The GFK/BIU report is more detailed and has the german market at 2.41B (1.82B software/ 0.59B hardware & accessoires).
The whole study is conducted by GFK, so they have full tracked sales and internal data and GFK does a survey that include 25k consumers, which is a pretty big sample and GFK obviously knows how to do such things as it is their core business.
Newzoo reports seem always kinda fishy. And they always include a made up category where the individual country is at #1 or #2 to get headlines.

I think it's hard to compare those markets, because we don't know what those reports cover on the digital front. Don't know if FR/GB include hardware or accessoires. And we also don't know how point cards get tracked.

I don't think that UK is not #1 anymore. At least for games we talk on GAF it's the biggest market.
Looking at hardware LtD gives a good picture. Or what games like GTA, CoD and Fifa sell.

A big part of the german pc market is lowbudget. You can see this from the low average price of pc games and how much retails space those simulators and Wimmelbildspiele get. Steam is pretty big though.
Steamstats give a good hint. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/content/
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Well then. Data for France is from the SELL, which gets it from GfK. And that counts everything (HW, SW, DD, accessories etc etc). Obviously they must just be estimates as always. I don't know about the UK one it's a whole figure from the ERA which tracks music, film and VG stuff. They do have physical vs digital though.
Found it here:
http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/music-sales-worth-half-of-uk-s-video-games-market-in-2013/057152


edit: Actually I'm wondering if that UK figure is for software only... It's partly from GfK so I would assume they track HW too but I don't know if it's included in this.
 
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Raist

Banned
Moonstone said:
Looks like it:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/uk-digital-game-sales-overtake-physical-in-2013/0126322
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Hmm... If that's the case the overall figure must be vastly over the french/german one then.


Just found this, but that's for 2011... Includes a lot of things which aren't in the FR/GER data (events, movie spin offs...)

bigmarketvalue7tuno.jpg
 
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KillerMan91

Member
Raist said:
Hmm... If that's the case the overall figure must be vastly over the french/german one then.


Just found this, but that's for 2011... Includes a lot of things which aren't in the FR/GER data (events, movie spin offs...)

bigmarketvalue7tuno.jpg
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British game market has crashed since 2011 though.
 
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Raist

Banned
KillerMan91 said:
British game market has crashed since 2011 though.
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Well it did in 2012 but went back up in 2013. So I guess the 2.19B figure might not include HW, so there'd be another 3-400M to add probably.

Nevertheless at the end of the day, UK FR and GER are fairly equivalent markets.
 
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noobie

Banned
When are we going to get Nintendo Quarterly results. i hope we see some numbers this time from over all European market..
 
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jvm

Gamasutra.
Raist said:
Hmm... If that's the case the overall figure must be vastly over the french/german one then.


Just found this, but that's for 2011... Includes a lot of things which aren't in the FR/GER data (events, movie spin offs...)

bigmarketvalue7tuno.jpg
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FWIW, I believe that this may be the image that MCV UK published which is wrong. Look at the hardware sales and accessory sales figures -- do you think accessory sales are ever larger than hardware sales? I'm fairly sure they've got those swapped.
 
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Raist

Banned
jvm said:
FWIW, I believe that this may be the image that MCV UK published which is wrong. Look at the hardware sales and accessory sales figures -- do you think accessory sales are ever larger than hardware sales? I'm fairly sure they've got those swapped.
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Yeah, I dunno. I mean the accessories thing includes XBL/PSN cards.
But the french report showed HW sales around twice accessories sales (in value) so yeah, it's possible therer's a mistake somewhere.
Nevertheless, I thought this would give an idea of the "non-software" sales in the UK, so the 2.19B value I had for the UK is likely SW only, and the UK market is most likely significantly ahead of the FR/GER ones in the end.
 
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Garjon

Member
jvm said:
FWIW, I believe that this may be the image that MCV UK published which is wrong. Look at the hardware sales and accessory sales figures -- do you think accessory sales are ever larger than hardware sales? I'm fairly sure they've got those swapped.
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Not only that, they include DD games in two different categories.
 
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Raist

Banned
Norway finally updated. No surprise there, Diablo overtook ISS.

Not quite sure what's up with the chart overall. wtf PSN cards?

Code: 
1	<	NEW	>	DIABLO III: REAPER OF SOULS	ACTIVISION BLIZZARD	CD-ROM
2	<	NEW	>	DIABLO III: REAPER OF SOULS COLLECTORS EDITION	ACTIVISION BLIZZARD	CD-ROM
3	1	1	2	INFAMOUS: SECOND SON	SCEE	PS4
4	6	1	94	PLAYSTATION NETWORK VOUCHER 200 NOK	SCEE	PSN - PLAYSTATION NETWORK CARD
5	-	-	-	PSN LIVECARD 200KR	SCEE	PSN - PLAYSTATION NETWORK CARD
5	-	-	-	PSN LIVECARD 200KR	SCEE	PSN - PLAYSTATION NETWORK CARD
5	-	-	-	PSN LIVECARD 200KR	SCEE	PSN - PLAYSTATION NETWORK CARD
6	15	1	26	FIFA 14	ELECTRONIC ARTS	PS3
7	-	-	-	PLAYSTATION NETWORK VOUCHER 400 NOK	SCEE	PSN - PLAYSTATION NETWORK CARD
7	-	-	-	PLAYSTATION NETWORK VOUCHER 400 NOK	SCEE	PSN - PLAYSTATION NETWORK CARD
7	-	-	-	PLAYSTATION NETWORK VOUCHER 400 NOK	SCEE	PSN - PLAYSTATION NETWORK CARD
8	4	1	3	TITANFALL	ELECTRONIC ARTS	CD-ROM
9	-	-	-	PSN 400NOK	SCEE	PSN - PLAYSTATION NETWORK CARD
9	-	-	-	PSN 400NOK	SCEE	PSN - PLAYSTATION NETWORK CARD
9	-	-	-	PSN 400NOK	SCEE	PSN - PLAYSTATION NETWORK CARD
10	3	3	2	FINAL FANTASY X/X-2 HD REMASTER (LIMITED EDITION)	SQUARE ENIX EUROPE	PS3
11	8	1	14	FIFA 14	ELECTRONIC ARTS	PS4
12	2	2	2	METAL GEAR SOLID 5: GROUND ZEROES	KONAMI	PS4
13	5	2	3	DARK SOULS II	NAMCO BANDAI GAMES	PS3
14	9	1	7	LEGO MOVIE VIDEOGAME THE	WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE	PS3
15	17	2	16	LEGO MARVEL SUPER HEROES	WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE	PS3
16	<	RETURN	>	SOUTH PARK: THE STICK OF TRUTH	UBISOFT	PS3
17	20	13	5	ESSENTIALS SKATE 3	ELECTRONIC ARTS	PS3
18	13	1	15	GRAN TURISMO 6	SCEE	PS3
19	18	2	31	MINECRAFT	MICROSOFT	X-BOX 360
20	<	RETURN	>	GRAND THEFT AUTO V	TAKE 2	PS3

Anyway, 16/20 entries are PS stuff. Norway is the new Sonyland.
 
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jvm

Gamasutra.
UK Retail Update

March 2013 units: 2.67 million
March 2014 units: 2.14 million (-19.9%)

YTD March 2013 units: 6.64 million
YTD March 2014 units: 5.94 million (-10.5%)

March 2013 revenue: £70.7 million
March 2014 revenue: £64.5 million (-8.7%)

YTD March 2013 revenue: £163.1 million
YTD March 2014 revenue: £165.1 million (+1.2%)

March 2013 ASP: £26.44
March 2014 ASP: £30.13 (+14%)

YTD March 2013 ASP: £24.56
YTD March 2014 ASP: £27.78 (+13%)

Edit: Basic question now is whether April will have enough games to keep the entire value of the market from dropping below the 2013 YTD figure.
 
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Raist

Banned
jvm said:
Edit: Basic question now is whether April will have enough games to keep the entire value of the market from dropping below the 2013 YTD figure.
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Code: 
Kinect Sports Rivals 	Xbox One 	Microsoft 	April 11th 2014
LEGO The Hobbit 	Xbox 360 , PS3 , 3DS , Wii U , Vita , PS4 , Xbox One 	Warner Bros 	April 11th 2014
Terraria 	Xbox 360 	505 Games 	April 11th 2014
Titanfall 	Xbox 360 	EA 	April 11th 2014
Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn 	PS4 	Square Enix 	April 14th 2014
2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil 	Xbox 360 , PS3 	EA 	April 17th 2014
Trials Fusion 	Xbox 360 , PC , PS4 , Xbox One 	Ubisoft 	April 17th 2014
Car Mechanic Simulator 2014 	PC 	N/A 	April 25th 2014
Dark Souls II 	PC 	Namco Bandai Partners UK 	April 25th 2014
Demon Gaze 	Vita 	NIS America 	April 25th 2014
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: All Star Battle 	PS3 	Namco Bandai Partners UK 	April 25th 2014
Child of Light 	PS3 , PC , PS4 	Ubisoft 	April 30th 2014
Daylight 	PC , PS4 	Sega Europe Ltd 	April 2014


Maybe, I guess? No idea what April 2013 looked like though.
 
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theprodigy

Member
jvm said:
UK Retail Update

March 2013 units: 2.67 million
March 2014 units: 2.14 million (-19.9%)

YTD March 2013 units: 6.64 million
YTD March 2014 units: 5.94 million (-10.5%)

March 2013 revenue: £70.7 million
March 2014 revenue: £64.5 million (-8.7%)

YTD March 2013 revenue: £163.1 million
YTD March 2014 revenue: £165.1 million (+1.2%)

March 2013 ASP: £26.44
March 2014 ASP: £30.13 (+14%)

YTD March 2013 ASP: £24.56
YTD March 2014 ASP: £27.78 (+13%)

Edit: Basic question now is whether April will have enough games to keep the entire value of the market from dropping below the 2013 YTD figure.
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now you need to update the software chart!
 
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Tratorn

Member
Raist said:
Code: 
Kinect Sports Rivals 	Xbox One 	Microsoft 	April 11th 2014
LEGO The Hobbit 	Xbox 360 , PS3 , 3DS , Wii U , Vita , PS4 , Xbox One 	Warner Bros 	April 11th 2014
Terraria 	Xbox 360 	505 Games 	April 11th 2014
Titanfall 	Xbox 360 	EA 	April 11th 2014
Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn 	PS4 	Square Enix 	April 14th 2014
2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil 	Xbox 360 , PS3 	EA 	April 17th 2014
Trials Fusion 	Xbox 360 , PC , PS4 , Xbox One 	Ubisoft 	April 17th 2014
Car Mechanic Simulator 2014 	PC 	N/A 	April 25th 2014
Dark Souls II 	PC 	Namco Bandai Partners UK 	April 25th 2014
Demon Gaze 	Vita 	NIS America 	April 25th 2014
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: All Star Battle 	PS3 	Namco Bandai Partners UK 	April 25th 2014
Child of Light 	PS3 , PC , PS4 	Ubisoft 	April 30th 2014
[B]Daylight 	PC , PS4 	Sega Europe Ltd 	April 2014[/B]


Maybe, I guess? No idea what April 2013 looked like though.
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I assume this is a retail only list, so no download-games? Why is Daylight in there then? It's a download game, isn't it?
 
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DrWong

Member
France week 13:

1 - Diablo 3 : Reaper Of Souls PC - Activision Blizzard
2 - Diablo 3 : Reaper Of Souls Collector PC - Activision Blizzard
3 - Infamous : Second Son PS4 - Sony
4 - Professeur Layton VS Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney 3DS - Nintendo
5 - Yoshi's New Island 3DS - Nintendo
 
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Raist

Banned
Tratorn said:
I assume this is a retail only list, so no download-games? Why is Daylight in there then? It's a download game, isn't it?
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No it's just a list of games releasing in April in the UK. I'm not sure it's complete or up to date, mind you.
 
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Foshy

Member
Tratorn said:
I assume this is a retail only list, so no download-games? Why is Daylight in there then? It's a download game, isn't it?
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I think Child of Light and Trials Fusion are download titles too, iirc. CoL gets a retail special edition however
 
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Raist

Banned
UK charts up.

EA&#8217;s &#8216;FIFA 14&#8217; returns to No1 (+8%) having last been top of the pile in week 6 this year.

The title has still not been out of the Top 6 since launch 28 weeks ago and now has a total of 11 weeks at No1 &#8211; a feat that only 4 other titles have managed (&#8216;Who Wants to be a Millionaire&#8217;, &#8216;Wii Fit&#8217;, &#8216;Zumba Fitness&#8217; and &#8216;FIFA: Road to the World Cup 98&#8217;). Bethesda debut strongly at No2 with the PC version of &#8216;The Elder Scrolls Online&#8217; &#8211; a first game and 5 years in the making for Zenimax Online Studios, with PS4/Xbox One versions to follow. EA&#8217;s Xbox One/PC &#8216;Titanfall&#8217; holds at No3 (-36%), with an Xbox 360 version coming next week.

Climbing 4 places to No4 is Activision Blizzard&#8217;s &#8216;Call of Duty: Ghosts&#8217; (+35%) and boxed product sales of this game are no doubt spiking due to the launch this week of the second DLC pack &#8216;Devastation&#8217; on Xbox formats. Konami drop 3 places over last week at No5 with &#8216;Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes&#8217; (-46%) and Sony&#8217;s PS4 &#8216;Infamous: Second Son&#8217; (-55%) drops 5 places to No6 having held on to No1 for 2 weeks. The only other new release within the Top 40 is Tecmo Koei&#8217;s &#8216;Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Complete Ed.&#8217; debuting at No29 for PS4/Vita.
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ISS dropped below TF XB1 in the individual charts. Ruh roh.

https://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110032
 
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Foshy

Member
Surprises me that PvZ 360 is on 6° while the XB1 version is nowhere to be found. For the most part, next-gen sales of multiplats have been better than last-gen.
 
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