John Bender
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There is nothing they can do. They're dead there.
Only US and UK makes sense to them.
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PAL Charts - Week 50, 2014
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Only US and UK makes sense to them.
It's a few weeks old, but I don't think it's been posted yet (may have missed it though);
Game Annual Report (PDF)
2013 Actual, 2014 Estimate (forecast). Screen Digest, who have worked with ELSPA/Ukie on their reports, so 2013 figures should be Chart-Track (PS4/XB1 numbers match). Don't know how long ago they made their 2014 forecast, but it seems a bit low for current gen now (maybe too high for last gen, but hard to tell).
3DS has only outsold the Vita 4:1?
Man, I'd never have guessed it was that close.
Wii U wishes it could sell like the powerhouse Vita.
It's a few weeks old, but I don't think it's been posted yet (may have missed it though);
Game Annual Report (PDF)
2013 Actual, 2014 Estimate (forecast). Screen Digest, who have worked with ELSPA/Ukie on their reports, so 2013 figures should be Chart-Track (PS4/XB1 numbers match). Don't know how long ago they made their 2014 forecast, but it seems a bit low for current gen now (maybe too high for last gen, but hard to tell).
I had no idea that X360 is bigger that Wii in the UK. Also, judging from the most recent sales, their 2014 forecast appears a bit too low for XBone.
I'd have to agree. I think MS is going to throw 99% of their effort at trying to close gap and take lead in US and UK. While they do so I expect Sony to have wrapped up untouchable lead most everywhere else.
Worldwide will be all about the cumulative gap and even allowing for strong Xbox turnaround in US and UK I expect it to show a decent lead for PS4 and even a significant one if Sony can keep close to MS in US and UK.
And at the same time MS might further ruin the mindshare they have outside of the US and UK. That might not be good down the line when they gave to release another machine.
It's an elf...
as much as we know, it is not closing the gap in UK, right? Last I remember was that for black friday (or November) weekend, they were neck to neck in UK.
theprodigy
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yeah, it's much more likely that shortages hurt the PS4's early numbers, especially when comparing the XB1 numbers to the US
The French love Ubisoft games.
November BIU awards (Germany)
>500,000
PS4 FIFA 15
>200,000
PS4 Call of Duty Advance Warfare
PS4 Grand Theft Auto V
3DS Tomodachi Life
>100,000
PS4 Assassin's Creed Unity
PS3 Call of Duty Advance Warfare
PS4 Far Cry 4
360 FIFA 15
PC Farming Simulator 15
PS4 ME Shadow of Mordor
PS4 Need for Speed Rivals
3DS Super Smash Bros
>500,000
PS4 FIFA 15
>200,000
PS4 Call of Duty Advance Warfare
PS4 Grand Theft Auto V
3DS Tomodachi Life
>100,000
PS4 Assassin's Creed Unity
PS3 Call of Duty Advance Warfare
PS4 Far Cry 4
360 FIFA 15
PC Farming Simulator 15
PS4 ME Shadow of Mordor
PS4 Need for Speed Rivals
3DS Super Smash Bros
Tomodachi Life was supposed to flop because nobody knew how to playt this weird japanese game, remember ? And Farming Simulator 15 confirms its statue there. I'm sure the game did also well in France and UK.
From latest MCV issue
PAL (not just European) numbers from data specialist IHS from January to September
PS4 - 3,440,000
Xbox One - 1,078,000
GFK Europe - sales for first 46 Weeks of the year (untile November 15th) across UK, France, Germany, Spain and Italy
PS4 - 2,550,000
Xbox One - 1,058,000
Skylanders: Trap Team + Disney Infinity 2.0 = "well in excess of " 300,000 in UK alone, both tracking behind their predecessors
PAL (not just European) numbers from data specialist IHS from January to September
PS4 - 3,440,000
Xbox One - 1,078,000
GFK Europe - sales for first 46 Weeks of the year (untile November 15th) across UK, France, Germany, Spain and Italy
PS4 - 2,550,000
Xbox One - 1,058,000
Skylanders: Trap Team + Disney Infinity 2.0 = "well in excess of " 300,000 in UK alone, both tracking behind their predecessors
The gap between the bolded is weird.
edit: so are the XB1 numbers. Are you sure about the dates?
Nightengale
Member
Wait, what? Can someone refresh me how many XB1s was sold in UK for Nov/Dec 2013 again?
Because those numbers look insane from a European lense... 70% of XB1's European market share comes from UK?
ProfessorMoran
Member
Ass creed unity dropped to #7, does this mean that GTAV PS4 bundle is outselling it now that black friday is over?
Not weird.
First number is 9 months in Europe
Second number is 10.5 months in 5 european countries.
Welfare
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~400k
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
And what were the Nov/Dec 2013 numbers for europe?
Nightengale
Member
So around 65% of XB1's European sales this year come from UK alone. And probably 30% or so from those major 4 markets... and 5% or less from 'others?'
Tier-2 launch really did nothingatall for XB1.
PS4 in UK at the end of december was at 530k and Xbox One 364k.
But if you take PS4 sales: 10,5 month of the "big 5" are only about 75% of the rest of europe and 9 month?
I don't know if this sounds right- I would have expected a higher number for the big 5, especially with a longer tracking period in the season of the year where sales quadruple.
Regarding XB1 numbers: Well, XB1 was released on 5th Sep in most countries.
Captain Smoker
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UK 2013:
PS4: 530.000
XBO: 364.000
France 2013:
PS4: 240.000
XBO: 126.000
Germany 2013:
PS4: 250.000
XBO: 100.000
Spain 2013:
PS4: 157.000
XBO: 35.000
Don't know Italy.
LTD as of 15.11.2014 for UK/DE/FR/SP/IT:
PS4: 3.727.000
XBO: 1.682.000
*lacks Italy 2013
1st Course
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According to Sony official financials PS4 shipped 9m in the period from January 1, 2014 to September 30, 2014.
So known sell-through figures (Jan - Sept):
Continental Europe: 3.44m (GFK)
US: 2.52m (NPD)
Japan: 0.73m (Media Create)
Total: 6.69m
Still missing good chunk of the full picture. Sell-through vs shipped make it very hard to tell how PS4 is selling outside these markets but if I were to guess about 15-20% of PS4 sales comes from markets that's not US/EU/JP.
XB1 was at 364k in UK and PS4 530k http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ps4-outsold-xbox-one-by-166-000-consoles-in-uk-last-year/0126321
The big 5 = 320Million residents
European union = 510Million
Europe as a whole is 740Million
I think you are understimating how big the sum of those smaller countries is, even when some of them are relatively poor (and others stupdly rich)
And sales don't quadruple in November in Europe.
Captain Smoker
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PS4 was also at 21K in Portugal at the end of 2013 .
http://economico.sapo.pt/noticias/playstation-e-a-consola-mais-vendida-em-portugal_185320.html
( If this is reliable.)
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
NZ & Australia Pokemans:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...endo_game_launch_in_australia_and_new_zealand
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...endo_game_launch_in_australia_and_new_zealand
Graphics Horse
Member
edit: nvm I think I messed up
Captain Smoker
Member
Ok, to get the biggest picture, let's combine the numbers for all of Europe from January to September 2014 and add the 2013
numbers for the biggest european markets. And if we combine this with USA, Japan and Australia we get (sell-through):
PS4: 11.200.000
XBO: 6.700.000
WiiU: 6.200.000
So, this is quite up-to-date, but obviously lacks some numbers like Canada, South America, Asia, updated australian numbers. Wii U lacks some updated european numbers to boot.
numbers for the biggest european markets. And if we combine this with USA, Japan and Australia we get (sell-through):
PS4: 11.200.000
XBO: 6.700.000
WiiU: 6.200.000
So, this is quite up-to-date, but obviously lacks some numbers like Canada, South America, Asia, updated australian numbers. Wii U lacks some updated european numbers to boot.
Welfare
Member
Can't we guesstimate Canada as around 10% of the US?
I was thinking the PS4 would be close too 20mil by the end of the year but that seems impossible then.
1st Course
Member
You used up to November numbers for US/Japan? Coz with up to Sept numbers I get less than 10m for PS4.
Shipped maybe.
We knew the PS4 was over 10 million as of August 10.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-4-sells-10-million-units-sony-reveals-/1100-6421671/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-4-sells-10-million-units-sony-reveals-/1100-6421671/
Captain Smoker
Member
Yes, used the most recent numbers for everything.
USA is November, Japan the numbers we got today.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
didnt we know that sony had sold 13.5M consoles by september though ?
http://www.ibtimes.com/ps4-vs-xbox-one-sales-sony-135-million-microsoft-remains-silent-1716937
or are those numbers just europe? ^^ (~11M)
http://www.ibtimes.com/ps4-vs-xbox-one-sales-sony-135-million-microsoft-remains-silent-1716937
or are those numbers just europe? ^^ (~11M)
I thought the 13.5 number was shipped? Regardless, them getting to 20 million is pretty farfetched
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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EDIT: nvm this post, i was confused
"By comparison, Sony shipped through 13.5 million PS4 consoles to consumers by the end of October, and they hit their 10 million milestone at the end of August (again, shipped through to consumers and not merely to retail)."
all the times they announced this milestones they always were sold to consumers not shipped
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...-november-microsoft-touts-10-million-shipped/
though i agree, i dont think they will reach 20M(sold to consumers) this year i expect at the very least 17M by the end of the year imo(sold to consumers)
"By comparison, Sony shipped through 13.5 million PS4 consoles to consumers by the end of October, and they hit their 10 million milestone at the end of August (again, shipped through to consumers and not merely to retail)."
all the times they announced this milestones they always were sold to consumers not shipped
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...-november-microsoft-touts-10-million-shipped/
though i agree, i dont think they will reach 20M(sold to consumers) this year i expect at the very least 17M by the end of the year imo(sold to consumers)
1st Course
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13.5 is WW shipped as of Sept 30.
Forbes writer don't know what he talking about. The source of the figure is Sony official IR site and their numbers are always shipped. Here is an official infograph from Sony showing that the figure is shipped.
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8612/15788978222_9380d97a14_z.jpg
They will hit 20 million shipped quite easily I think.
Superman00
Liverpool01
From August till now, I got ~2.1 millions for US + Japan. US have never account for more than 40% of the WW total for the PS4 I believe, plus Japan numbers are negligible.
So chances are PS4 is greater than 14 millions WW currently.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
ah i see, thanks for the clarification