Not really, no. I'm pretty sure 3DS will be the #1 system in Europe for the foreseeable future.
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PAL Charts - Week 8, 2012
- Thread starter BKK
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this just proves how little launch numbers mean. Regardless, it is pretty cool that it launched higher than 3DS, especially since it had heavy competition from 3DS that 3DS did not have.
Not really, no. I'm pretty sure 3DS will be the #1 system in Europe for the foreseeable future.
Did I miss some crazy 3DS sales in Europe? PS3 and 360 or even the Wii seem to be doing better on most charts
Did I miss some crazy 3DS sales in Europe? PS3 and 360 or even the Wii seem to be doing better on most charts
3DS and PS3 are currently fighting for top spot in the PAL region . It will remain like that for a while until PS3 goes below <200. Then ps3 will see a good bump in sales there.
Gianni Merryman
Member
Did I miss some crazy 3DS sales in Europe? PS3 and 360 or even the Wii seem to be doing better on most charts
For all we know 2011 3DS's sales in PAL territories have been quite good overall methinks:
France 770k
Germany 600k
Spain 330k
Italy 250k
Australia 200k
P.S. I cannot find 3DS's UK hardware sales thread, but I vaguely recall it selling decently as well over there.
As for Europe being turned into Sonyland, aside from UK it may be true for Spain and Italy, but France can be historically regarded as "Nintendoland" whereas in Germany PC has possibly the biggest share over home consoles.
Did I miss some crazy 3DS sales in Europe? PS3 and 360 or even the Wii seem to be doing better on most charts
Or PC in the case of Germany.
For all we know 2011 3DS's sales in PAL territories have been quite good overall methinks:
France 770k
Germany 600k
Spain 330k
Italy 250k
Australia 200k
P.S. I cannot find 3DS's UK hardware sales thread, but I vaguely recall it selling decently as well over there.
3DS did good numbers in November and December thanks to Mario 3D + Kart 7 + low price but looking at this years charts and the January NPD numbers, it doesn't seem like it is doing that great now.
But that's just my impression.
bigtroyjon
Member
Searching quickly brought this post up. 3DS looks to be 4th last year in EU and nothing we've seen so far this year would lead me to believe it's moved to the top spot.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/120127/index.html
Code:2011 Hardware Sales TOTAL US EU JP 3DS 11.8 4.1 3.5 4.3 360 11.0 7.3 3.7 0.1 PS3 11.0 4.5 4.9 1.5 WII 9.5 4.5 4.0 0.9 NDS 7.5 3.8 3.0 0.7 PSP 5.8 1.4 2.3 2.1 PSV 0.5 0 0 0.5 - US: NPD - JP: Media Create - EU: Nintendo's estimates. Rounded to nearest 100000.
Gianni Merryman
Member
Looking at this year's and the January NPD numbers it doesn't seem like it is doing that great now.
But that's just my impression.
I can tell you that as for now both Mario kart 7 and SM3dLand have been performing well - I mean they have been pretty constantly in top 10 charts or almost there from November till presently - in France(top4), Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Norway, and other titles such as RE or Mario & Sonic have made their appearence as well in the charts, so although it's undeniable 3DS has been selling decently thanks to price cut+MK7+SM3DL+ Christmas, it's showing no sign that it's going to stop right now.
Searching quickly brought this post up. 3DS looks to be 4th last year in EU and nothing we've seen so far this year would lead me to believe it's moved to the top spot.
it will not beat ps3 by any chance . But its sales is likely to improve this year . ofcourse a sub 200 ps3 would just outgun everything in sales in the PAL region .The chart you brought up doesnt cover Asia/middle east and other PAL regions. It covers most EU regions
@gianni
in France if you look at charts its mostly PS3 games these days. In France and Germany, ps3 was the no1 selling HW last year . In Germany, it was all PC gaming few years ago but now ps3 is taking away many spots
Gianni Merryman
Member
Searching quickly brought this post up. 3DS looks to be 4th last year in EU and nothing we've seen so far this year would lead me to believe it's moved to the top spot.
I somehow recall Nintendo reported having sold worldwide over 15 million 3DSs in 2011 in their yearly financial report, is my memory failing me on this regard?
By the way I think 3DS should be around 17/18 millions right now.
bigtroyjon
Member
I somehow recall Nintendo reported having sold worldwide over 15 million 3DSs in 2011 in their yearly financial report, is my memory failing me on this regard?
By the way I think 3DS should be around 17/18 millions right now.
Shipped, not sold and that chart doesn't cover the entire world. They expect to be at 14 million when the FY ends in a month and they did 3.8 million last FY when they launched so they'll be around 17-18 million shipped a month from now.
Sold numbers are going to be a million or 2 less than the total shipped numbers. Probably sold somewhere around 14-15 million worldwide at this point unless they are going to be under targets which would put sales less than that.
Gianni Merryman
Member
Shipped, not sold and that chart doesn't cover the entire world. They expect to be at 14 million when the FY ends in a month and they did 3.8 million last FY when they launched so they'll be around 17-18 million shipped a month from now.
Sold numbers are going to be a million or 2 less than the total shipped numbers. Probably sold somewhere around 14-15 million worldwide at this point.
I found it, here it says 17.56 millions worldwide by the end of 2011/2012 fiscal year, so if we have to assume that is shipped and that Nintendo didn't make numbers up, 3DS should be well over 18 mlls right now.
BTW here's the link for any reference:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=449916&highlight=nintendo+2011+financial+report
bigtroyjon
Member
I found it, here it says 17.8 millions worldwide by the end of 2011 fiscal year, so if we have to assume that is shipped and that Nintendo didn't make numbers up, 3DS should be well over 18 mlls right now.
BTW here's the link for any reference:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44916&highlight=nintendo+2011+financial+report
2011 FY ends at the end of March.
And WTF is that link?
Gianni Merryman
Member
And WTF is that link?
I fixed it just after posting it, since I had to type it I just missed a 9, but it's working now.
Edit: Nevermind, I stand corrected, I mistook software and hardware sales, in fact here Nintendo claims to have reached 16 mlls 3DS worldwide and not 17.56.
bigtroyjon
Member
I fixed it just after posting it, since I had to type it I just missed a 9, but it's working now.
Edit: Nevermind, I stand corrected, I mistook software and hardware sales, btw I though Nintendo claimed to have reached 15 mlls 3DS worldwide, although I cannot find the source right now.
At the end of 2011 they had shipped 15.03 million 3DS.
Gianni Merryman
Member
nvm, sorry.
I expect 3DS to be #1 on hardware sales [in the upcoming 2-3 years] since that was the context of the discussion. (It won't be able to compete with established platforms on software sales for a while as it obviously still way behind in LTD installed base.) It didn't manage this last year because it performed quite poorly up until the pricedrop and release of significant games, but the turnaround was extraordinary and it was the top system during the holidays.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Not really, no. I'm pretty sure 3DS will be the #1 system in Europe for the foreseeable future.
I would like that crystal ball that you have.
Don't think it was already reported - if yes sorry - but the Figaro - a well known French newspaper - posted yesterday an article about Vita launch : only 42k sold in France for the first week, 2x less than the PSP. 250k total for the biggest European markets also said the article. > http://www.lefigaro.fr/jeux-video/2...debuts-difficiles-pour-la-ps-vita-de-sony.php
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Don't think it was already reported - if yes sorry - but the Figaro - a well known French newspaper - posted yesterday an article about Vita launch : only 42k sold in France for the first week, 2x less than the PSP. 250k total for the biggest European markets also said the article. > http://www.lefigaro.fr/jeux-video/2...debuts-difficiles-pour-la-ps-vita-de-sony.php
So just over 100k sold of PSV in Spain, France and UK.
Don't think it was already reported - if yes sorry - but the Figaro - a well known French newspaper - posted yesterday an article about Vita launch : only 42k sold in France for the first week, 2x less than the PSP. 250k total for the biggest European markets also said the article. > http://www.lefigaro.fr/jeux-video/2...debuts-difficiles-pour-la-ps-vita-de-sony.php
Despite Sonys announcement that there are 1.2 million PS Vitas in the US and Europe
Great journalism right there.
3DS did good numbers in November and December thanks to Mario 3D + Kart 7 + low price but looking at this years charts and the January NPD numbers, it doesn't seem like it is doing that great now.
But that's just my impression.
Well, also in Novembre/December in the charts there was just MK7 and ML3D, and the HW was the best selling all over Europe during Xmas period.
Ok, Xmas is the most positive Nintendo console moment for the year, it's true.
But for example now we have not only MK and ML but also Mario&Sonic charting all over Europe, so...
That said, I don't know how 3DS is perfoming under an HW point of view here in Europe.
The only data we have are very positive, so far, for all the different countries. Probably we'll have other data within the end of March.
My impression is that it's performing better in PAL than US, especially due to X360 great perfomance in the US (intead in PAL the situation is more mixed)
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
It's interesting that you responded to my post like that and not the post I was quoting.
Well i don´t consider Europe Sony land, but your prediction about the 3DS being the number 1 system in Europe is funny. It might happen or it might not happen, the way you said that made it the 3DS becoming number 1 system in Europe is an absolute.
Don't think it was already reported - if yes sorry - but the Figaro - a well known French newspaper - posted yesterday an article about Vita launch : only 42k sold in France for the first week, 2x less than the PSP. 250k total for the biggest European markets also said the article. > http://www.lefigaro.fr/jeux-video/2...debuts-difficiles-pour-la-ps-vita-de-sony.php
They don't give a source though; GfK, Sony, banned site? As they also give a figure for Europe as a whole I was suspicious that it may be the latter. I checked and it didn't match, but they are notorious for changing their figures after conflicting data comes out, so it's possible it has been changed since Sony announced their sales, or multiple UK figures were reported.
If you want something more straightforward, I think it is more likely to happen than Europe being Sonyland (which it certainly was during the PS2 generation) again.Well i don´t consider Europe Sony land, but your prediction about the 3DS being the number 1 system in Europe is funny. It might happen or it might not happen, the way you said that made it the 3DS becoming number 1 system in Europe is an absolute.
Right.They don't give a source though; GfK, Sony, banned site? As they also give a figure for Europe as a whole I was suspicious that it may be the latter. I checked and it didn't match, but they are notorious for changing their figures after conflicting data comes out, so it's possible it has been changed since Sony announced their sales, or multiple UK figures were reported.