Trogdor1123
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how was he allowed to keep his job after that...
Well, I remember stories (and a thread here) that Sony had researched (maybe even patented) technology that would eliminate resale. I think at the very least, many people expected this type of scheme being optionally available on a publisher by publisher basis. I know I was surprised myself when they announced at E3 that ownership of a title would work exactly the same as it does now.
It's the majority reply to the nonsense that Penello was spouting.^ this. I came in here to rant about Penello's comments but it's all been said already. I love you GAF.
Yeah, I agree with you. If Sony had gone with a similar DRM as many expected, I don't think they would have faced as much resistance themselves. Obviously, many consumers would have still been irate at both Sony and Microsoft, but if they both held strong, the argument for the inevitability would have been easier to make. They were clearly caught with their pants down after Sony's E3 conference.
They are only a step removed. Just require Gold to use any aspect of the console. Gold authentication already requires that you be online, so they get the always-online requirement without explicitly stating it.
Simple.
They just have to convince people that a subscription fee is worth paying for every use of the system, because its all part of the service, and does that idea honestly sound so far-fetched?
They have been conditioning their user base for some time now.
Everyone wants it (sony, ms, nintendo, pubs). And when most people get high speed internet and embrace the benefits that the big 3 are going to offer for digital, retailers wont be able to fight back. And consumers won't feel like fighting back as hard.Consumers still have choice, and that choice has to be removed first. Then they can really try this to push this through again.
They don't need to force all digital to support all digital.
Lol when they flick the switch back on.
OH MY GOD PAT QUOTED ME
HI PAT
They don't need to force all digital to support all digital.
Lol when they flick the switch back on.
This cannot be quoted enough. Introducing an all-digital future can be a good thing. Heck, it can be a great thing. But the model MS tried to push was essentially stripping away consumer rights with NOTHING in return. I really wish MS and it's supporters would stop claiming the Could-Have-Been Xbox One was following the Steam model. It simply wasn't.
I think there might be some upset kids who get Titanfall for their birthday, put in their machine and then look on in disappointment as they and their parent's realize they can't play the game with a subscription.
Not ready for Xbox One future if old
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/11/08/penello-people-just-werent-ready-for-all-digital-xbox-one/
.I don't want your future
.And this in a nutshell is why I will continue to not trust these guys for the foreseeable future.
Yeah. They didn't like the answer they got, but its a resounding NO for this generation. For this console.I'm quite the cynic but the idea that they'd try it again on a mass scale (instead of just say, Halo5) is farfetched even to me.
Maybe. I'd like to think this whole walled garden nonsense is something that we'll all snap out of at some point.Everyone wants it (sony, ms, nintendo, pubs). And when most people get high speed internet and embrace the benefits that the big 3 are going to offer for digital, retailers wont be able to fight back. And consumers won't feel like fighting back as hard.
Will it happen anytime soon? no. But in two or three console generations, I can see it happening.
What ever happened to the "weve listened" crap they were spouting a while back? I assume they are no longer doing so?
All digital IS the future, like it or not.
Of course you didnt get a chance to have a conversation about it.
You cancelled 99% of your interviews after you announced the policy! And the only interviews you did give before back tracking included gems like "if you want to play offline we have a product for you, the xbox 360".
I dont disslike a digital future. I do have an issue with anti consumer BS. Like DRM, online check ins, no used games and selling digital games for almost the same price as we pay for a physical copy.
Get rid of all that above, sell me the game at a very reduced price then I might be fine with it
True on the first two points. You can lend games to friends now though. They also don't require a 24-hour check-in, so that's a big one. You can always buy games and then just go offline for however long. As far as Valve going out, you can always crack your games if such a thing happens. You can do no such thing if (assuming it was still DRM-enabled) something like that happened with the Xbone. You already mentioned the killswitch.
Valve also allows other stores to sell Steam keys, creating more competition. I doubt Microsoft would have allowed such a thing.
No one here is saying Valve's system is perfect, but it's far better than what MS was offering us with the Xbone.
I don't get why Penello is even talking about this shit. Your console launches in 2 weeks, and you really want to bring up your bullshit policies that everyone was furious about and start another fervor? What's the strategy here?
What ever happened to the "weve listened" crap they were spouting a while back? I assume they are no longer doing so?
What ever happened to the "weve listened" crap they were spouting a while back? I assume they are no longer doing so?
Hey! It's Angry Joe. I feel like this interview cost him ever getting another interview ever again. If I was a PR rep I wouldn't let him within 2 feet of anyone with information. Because there's lots of other Youtubers.
Maybe. Maybe he's trying to ward every one away? Maybe he does care about us and is trying his best to passive aggressively make people not buy an XB1.I don't get why Penello is even talking about this shit. Your console launches in 2 weeks, and you really want to bring up your bullshit policies that everyone was furious about and start another fervor? What's the strategy here?
He is completely right.
I don't like it. But we don't have a choice.
Valve also allows other stores to sell Steam keys, creating more competition. I doubt Microsoft would have allowed such a thing.
Everyone wants it (sony, ms, nintendo, devs). And when most people get high speed internet and embrace the benefits that the big 3 are going to offer for digital, retailers wont be able to fight back. And consumers won't feel like fighting back as hard.
Will it happen anytime soon? no. But in two or three console generations, I can see it happening.
"We may have been right. What we were wrong about was that it's just too soon. People just weren't ready to make that leap right away."
The "fee" you're referring to was simply buying the full game. The idea was that If I brought a game to your house, and I'm logged in on your console, we could play the full game. Once I log out, it's still technically installed on your machine, but since you're not the "owner", you can only play part of the game. It's basically a time-limited trial (probably a 60 minute timer or something). If you want to get the full game on your account, then you would buy it from there without having to reinstall or download or whatever.
I think the Steam family sharing idea is basically the same thing.
What is exactly so infuriating he is saying? I'm missing it.
Maybe. Maybe he's trying to ward every one away? Maybe he does care about us and is trying his best to passive aggressively make people not buy an XB1.
What is exactly so infuriating he is saying? I'm missing it.
You have a typo there. Think you meant they weren't too dumb to eat their bullshit. No worries there pal. There are plenty of imbeciles out there.People weren't ready ...
What he is actually saying is, that "people" aka their customers were to dumb to understand their grand vision.
If Albert was humble, he would admit that MS never explained what they tried to do and accomplish.
"We never got the chance, to explain it" because Sony-Bots on Gaf and reddit jumped in? That is revisionism.
They never even tried to explain it! Their message was:"All your games are gonna be locked (and are belonged to us)! Why this is a benefit for you, we will explain on a later date. Xbox One!"
Seriously ... they don't even get it now? Even Albert?
I'm not against an all digital future. If they had explained it honestly, things would look different. But they never did. It's the secrecy, dipshits. The attitude that your customers are idiots and that you have to feed them the information at the right time is the problem.
Just be fuckin honest, be real!
how was he allowed to keep his job after that...
"I do feel like we never got a chance to have a rational conversation about what we were trying to do," Penello told Engadget.