Christoff Yurievich
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sigh.farnham said:
as for the video producer leaving, maybe it's ancillary? as in he's the one that produced the video in question and he's just collateral damage.
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Penny Arcade 11/30/2007 Jeff Gerstmann fired from Gamespot, allegedly for K&L review
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as for the video producer leaving, maybe it's ancillary? as in he's the one that produced the video in question and he's just collateral damage.
DenogginizerOS said:
Why do Gamespot, etc., do podcasts, anyway? They don't seem to carry advertising on the podcasts, and it seems a bit indirect to think that the podcasts necessarily bring traffic to the site, given that people may tend to get the podcasts through the iTunes podcast directory and etc.
I'm a fan of Jeff G. from the HotSpot podcast (no longer in my iTunes now), but I'm not sure what was ever in it for CNET to have the podcast in the first place. It may be that Jeff G. being popular on the podcast didn't really give him much leverage.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
But we don't know if this was "out of the blue" or a culmination of events that repeatedly violated company policy or a stance by a journalist who was fed up with what was going on and unloaded the proverbial "cocksucker" insult at the umpire who in this case was his employer and/or revenue provider. Point is, we simply don't know.Kabuki Waq said:
I don't care for Jeff, but this is the nature of the business. When the e-crash happened, and pubs were starved for money, they seemed to start collaborating with the devs more IMO. I felt it was a concerted effort to keep the gaming media afloat since devs and writers kinda need each other.
However, some of the review scores lately have to set off alarm bells. Too many 10's attached to games that spent more on press junkets and media days than on actual game development. Journos proudly showing off their swag made my stomach turn more than a little. But then we collectively celebrated the mass media handjob that is events like E3 and TGS, where companies not only pile on the gifts, but also tantilize with tits and booze.
Oh well, I don't read reviews anyway. I'll just rely on impressions in the official threads. PEACE.
However, some of the review scores lately have to set off alarm bells. Too many 10's attached to games that spent more on press junkets and media days than on actual game development. Journos proudly showing off their swag made my stomach turn more than a little. But then we collectively celebrated the mass media handjob that is events like E3 and TGS, where companies not only pile on the gifts, but also tantilize with tits and booze.
Oh well, I don't read reviews anyway. I'll just rely on impressions in the official threads. PEACE.
Kabuki Waq
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DenogginizerOS said:
read between the lines other than Jeff Sexually Harassing Ryan Davis i dont think they would have let him go this way.
papelnabangka
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I don't respect Gerstmann's opinion but fuck Eidos for meddling if he was fired because of the poor K&L review.
It's not his fault your game sucks, Eidos.
It's not his fault your game sucks, Eidos.
StopMakingSense
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jonabbey said:
Brand-building, really. Take 1up, they really wouldn't have the same pull they have with gamers without their podcasts.
DenogginizerOS
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Penny Arcade and Kotaku were the main sources initially on this story, correct?Kabuki Waq said:
twinturbo2
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You must be talking about Ford Sync.Tieno said:
bryehn said:
Probably Ryan Davis - I think he's the senior editor now and also has the media skills (i.e. podcasts and web shows) you need these days. Could be Alex Navarro as well.
I think both were friends with Gerstmann before they were hired so it must be really awkward to replace him.
Kabuki Waq
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DenogginizerOS said:
people from GS and other freelancers have posted on various forums.
fortified_concept
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firehawk12 said:
All I see when I read the bolded sentence is that he was skating on thin ice because he didn't follow company "suggestions" about certain reviews in other occassions too.
MrPing1000
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**** & *****ed: Dead Game. harharhar.
Christoff Yurievich
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so has PA updated for anyone else? They always update around midnight but I can never get the page to actually load for me until noon or so.
DenogginizerOS
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But which news site, if any, has actually contributed to the story and taken it beyond rumor? None. Until that happens, I am staying far away from the mob calling for Eidos', Cnet's, or Gamespot's head.Kabuki Waq said:
Just to get it out of the way, I think Gerstmann is somewhat of a douche.
That being said, if he actually did got fired for not playing along and hyping a crappy game when the guys upstairs tell him to do so, then I'm sorry for him.
That's something that simply should not happen.
If however he was laid off for numerous lazy, off base reviews, then I think it's justified.
That being said, if he actually did got fired for not playing along and hyping a crappy game when the guys upstairs tell him to do so, then I'm sorry for him.
That's something that simply should not happen.
If however he was laid off for numerous lazy, off base reviews, then I think it's justified.
I've never been a fan of Gerstmann, but if he was actually fired over this review, I'm done with Eidos and I'm never trusting a single word that comes out of Gamespot ever again. The implications here are much more serious than many people think. How many other reviews have been essentially bought by publishers?
I've been asked to bump a review up in order to secure exclusivity on it. They basically said that if my review was 8.0 or up that we'd be given the exclusive. I declined. I know publishers try it, but I have never seen an instance when the site itself pressures the journalist.
I've been asked to bump a review up in order to secure exclusivity on it. They basically said that if my review was 8.0 or up that we'd be given the exclusive. I declined. I know publishers try it, but I have never seen an instance when the site itself pressures the journalist.
You can now buy prints of P-A cartoons. An 11"x17" of today's comic, for example, goes for only $9.95.
Richardfun
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Sylar said:
I myself am not a huge podcast fan, but I seriously doubt people watch them to save time. English isn't even my native tongue, yet I'm fairly sure I can read it quicker than someone else pronounces it :lol
RamzaIsCool
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Wow this is quite a messy situation and if mainstream media get a sniff of this then the whole gaming journalism sector will be under fire. So imo they have to deal with this one way or the other. 1up, IGN, (banned sites), other gaming sites, EGM, GI, other print mags they all should do something to defend their integrity. And judging from some of the post of the journalist here, they aren't even surprised that this has happened and that's a pretty fucked up situation. And about GAF's reaction, imo the right one, but I hope when a reviewer underscores a game you like you will remember this day and act accordingly.
if not, then you are a hypocrite
HK-47 said:
Yeah, well imagine how THEY felt. They're in the studio, drinking whatever the hell they drink, talking about some dumbass console games, while, meanwhile, THE STORY OF THE YEAR is happening right outside the studio walls!
Edit: Yay! Someone changed my tag to say 97.5 The Brodeo! I am honored!
/end solipsistic thread derail
Opus Angelorum
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JeffGreen said:
Thanks Jeff, without going into any great detail what is your initial impression if what has been suggested is true?
If you can't comment on it I understand.
DenogginizerOS
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JeffGreen said:
Fixed for accuracy unless you know something that no one else is reporting.
RamzaIsCool
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JeffGreen said:
Couldn't like somebody tell them what was happening?
DenogginizerOS
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Anyone else find it ironic that GAF is in full boycott mode over a rumor/story broken by Penny Arcade and Kotaku?
Opus Angelorum
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DenogginizerOS said:
To be fair a story like this, which could have very deep implications rises above petty squabbling and e-penis comparison.
Opus Angelorum said:
Yeah, all we know at this point is what all of you know, and therefore it is not really our place at this point to comment. So chances are had the 1UPY guys been informed, they would have left it alone anyway.
I do assure you that we are doing what all the news outlets are doing--trying to get the facts. And thanks to Denogginizer for fixing my comment--that is more accurate, yes.
DenogginizerOS
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Yes, but Kotaku? Since when did they become the Edward R. Murrow of gaming news on this board?Opus Angelorum said:
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