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Persona 2: Innocent Sin |OT| "As if your dreams would ever be fulfilled...

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
creid said:
I finished the game last night and I don't think I ever did find out. I thought I remembered that she said
something about him being Tatsuya's father, or sounding like Tatsuya's father, or something.

Tatsuya, Maya, Michel, Lisa, and Jun started the fire. Tatsuya was the main culprit. "Tatsuya Sudou." Ring bells?
 

creid

Member
TheSeks said:
Tatsuya, Maya, Michel, Lisa, and Jun started the fire. Tatsuya was the main culprit. "Tatsuya Sudou." Ring bells?
But what did Ms. Ideal say about Sudou? That's what I'm trying to remember.
 
creid said:
But what did Ms. Ideal say about Sudou? That's what I'm trying to remember.

It probably had something to do with proving Kashihara was right as per her obsession. What an oddly fatalistic and deluded woman. Thank goodness she did not become involved with Kashihara. Imagine how loopy Jun would have turned out if he was born. It may have also had something to do with him being able to hear the voices of the Xibalba aliens.
 

Credo

Member
Well, I just finished it, and I really enjoyed the whole ride. Even though it shows its age, I enjoyed playing it a lot more than Persona 1. I'd like to jump right into Eternal Punishment, but it'll have to wait because of all the Fall releases that are coming up.

Also, I enjoyed getting to punch Philemon square in the face after hearing about how this was all like a game to him.
 
Has anyone run into lunatic demons yet? The ones that make references to Lovecraft and make little to no sense? I love negotiating with those.
 

Credo

Member
KibblesBits said:
Has anyone run into lunatic demons yet? The ones that make references to Lovecraft and make little to no sense? I love negotiating with those.

The ones that say things about colors like yellow and blue? Those things were my favorites! I never once managed to anger them even once through the whole game.
 
KibblesBits said:
Has anyone run into lunatic demons yet? The ones that make references to Lovecraft and make little to no sense? I love negotiating with those.

"NooOooOOo... DanCE lIke cRAzy iN frONt of THe moRNinG PlUTooO!"

(I've been copying my favorite bits of their dialogue down in notepad)
 
Credo said:
The ones that say things about colors like yellow and blue? Those things were my favorites! I never once managed to anger them even once through the whole game.

TurnipFritters said:
"NooOooOOo... DanCE lIke cRAzy iN frONt of THe moRNinG PlUTooO!"

(I've been copying my favorite bits of their dialogue down in notepad)

Yes! Yes! They were just as incoherent and prone to babbling in Japanese. But as Credo mentioned they're really hard to get angry, you pretty much have to try.
 

Credo

Member
KibblesBits said:
Yes! Yes! They were just as incoherent and prone to babbling in Japanese. But as Credo mentioned they're really hard to get angry, you pretty much have to try.

They were the only ones that I had a perfect record with. I remember I only angered that horse demon, Kinnara, once out of like 20 responses.

Weirdly enough, the demon that I had the hardest time with through the whole game was Jack Frost, one of my favorites from the series. I always got the impression that Jack would be a happy-go-lucky type, but I think I succeeded with him ONCE! Every other time was full of, "You're lying! I feel hot inside my chest!"
 
The demon I've had the most luck with is Catoblepas (actually, pretty much all of the "Snappish" demons seem to be easy to chat with), which is good because he's in
all of the Shrines
and it made for tons and tons of Free Tarot. Plus, he seems so genuinely happy that Tatsuya tries to persuade him to join their cause.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
I ran into some Zombie Schoolgirls that babbled in Japanese and said "Die American!" Which was a bit WTF (though I guess they're angry at Lisa).

Also the third dungeon is LONNNNNG and treacherous. I forgot how bad it is and don't have a
poison curing persona
to carry me through, so I'm having to have a precarious balance of negotiating for cards while avoiding near death anger.
 
I've been thinking about Persona 2 again. (Surprise) And the possible release of a psp version of Persona 2:EP. I was wondering would the game become more complicated if the contact system were more similar to Persona 2:IS instead of as it is now. I for one found the simplified contact system in P2:EP far too simplistic... I'd also given thought to which contacts characters used and what they would use were the system more in line with the first game. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
EP doesn't give you a list of options when performing a single-character contact, right? Is that the only way the contact system differs? (It's been a looong time since I last played EP.)
 
perfect free said:
EP doesn't give you a list of options when performing a single-character contact, right? Is that the only way the contact system differs? (It's been a looong time since I last played EP.)

That and... it allows k.o'd/dead characters to contact.
That bit is rather hilarious. Try doing it to a lunatic type demon. Heh.
 

randomkid

Member
Can someone tell me if you lose your experience/progress if you abandon a quest in theater mode? I've been doing the Hemerlin quest for ages now and I just wanna get back to the story, if I abandon will I have to start from the beginning/lose the experience I've gained?
 
randomkid said:
Can someone tell me if you lose your experience/progress if you abandon a quest in theater mode? I've been doing the Hemerlin quest for ages now and I just wanna get back to the story, if I abandon will I have to start from the beginning/lose the experience I've gained?

You'll keep the XP/money/items you've gained, but you'll have to start from the beginning if you decide to try the quest again.
 
perfect free said:
EP doesn't give you a list of options when performing a single-character contact, right? Is that the only way the contact system differs? (It's been a looong time since I last played EP.)

Combo Contacts also change depending on who the first character you select is. So Ulala + Baofu is different from Baofu + Ulala.

Anyway, I think we have a pretty good idea of what Maya, Tatsuya, Elly and Nanjou would use. Ulala would probably do flirting and maybe a makeover, Baofu would definitely have one about getting drunk... Katsuya might have one talking about
baking tips
.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
KibblesBits said:
I can't remember when he says that but it may be in line with, "give a sh**" or something...? I need to look out for it.

The third contact option solo. "You know what they say: 'Crap a dime.' No... wait..."
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
KibblesBits said:
CARPE DIEM!

Should have realized that. Forgive me, I've been drinking.
Had a long day.

How is that anywhere near "Crap a dime?" You pronounce it like a fish. :/
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Alright, Bukimi. 1st Floor or Third Floor? Because I have a feeling it's not the second floor due to the story change event there.
 
TheSeks said:
Alright, Bukimi. 1st Floor or Third Floor? Because I have a feeling it's not the second floor due to the story change event there.

I am not sure but as long as you are still in Kass she'll have a chance to show up anywhere. I had an easier time of it by using Estoma but if your levels are too far from the 'sweet spot' you may just have to run through until you find her.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
KibblesBits said:
I am not sure but as long as you are still in Kass she'll have a chance to show up anywhere. I had an easier time of it by using Estoma but if your levels are too far from the 'sweet spot' you may just have to run through until you find her.

Funny enough, just returned after spreading the rumor and BAM she shows up. But I don't have that skill or am at a reasonable Persona level for it, AFAIK. I'm still in the sub 10's on the level 10 because I'm challenging myself to avoid as much EXP as possible to see if the easiness of hard actually suddenly changes. Of course, I'll probably mumble grumble about this if I have to grind, but so far I haven't had too many issues.

Also gained two new Persona's that are "Normal/Good" for Yukino and Tatsuya, leaving Eikichi and Maya with the last two starting Personas. I haven't returned the starters to Igor, because I don't think the items would be worth it?

Also what is the point of Tony/the foreign exchange student's shop? He has accessories that don't do anything. :/

Also am I the only one that misses the Bikini Line's fan translation
that was highly offensive with the gay lisp
? I mean, it was offensive but it was hilarious to me at the same time because of the "Am I hot or what? WELCOME TO BIIIIIKIIINIIIII LINE."

Now to get Hula of Misfortune'd until I lose my 40K I gained from negotiations. :(
 
TheSeks said:
Funny enough, just returned after spreading the rumor and BAM she shows up. But I don't have that skill or am at a reasonable Persona level for it, AFAIK. I'm still in the sub 10's on the level 10 because I'm challenging myself to avoid as much EXP as possible to see if the easiness of hard actually suddenly changes. Of course, I'll probably mumble grumble about this if I have to grind, but so far I haven't had too many issues.

The difficulty starts to spike once you reach Aoba Park in my opinion.

TheSeks said:
Also gained two new Persona's that are "Normal/Good" for Yukino and Tatsuya, leaving Eikichi and Maya with the last two starting Personas. I haven't returned the starters to Igor, because I don't think the items would be worth it?

Also what is the point of Tony/the foreign exchange student's shop? He has accessories that don't do anything. :/

Tony's shop will have items that vary in usefulness depending on your play style and what rumors you spread. I think I gave him good selection but terrible buy back prices which makes sense. I think he has it pretty bad storyline wise. He speaks the language poorly, appears to be high on drugs and has the town spreading bad rumors about him. Poor kid.

I never saw that translation in that way because he was always after a certain party member...
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
KibblesBits said:
I never saw that translation in that way because he was always after a certain party member...

Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with that translation, but it was hilarious all the same. The official Atlus translation has made him... dull. :/

Also I can't seem to connect a three person wind fusion skill.

???
???
Wind

I've used:

Wind, Water, Wind
Wind, Fire, Wind

No dice.

Does it have to be a certain order to unlock?

"Deal Wind damage to all enemies, calculated by average of participating allies' Dx."
 
TheSeks said:
Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with that translation, but it was hilarious all the same. The official Atlus translation has made him... dull. :/

Also I can't seem to connect a three person wind fusion skill.

???
???
Wind

I've used:

Wind, Water, Wind
Wind, Fire, Wind

No dice.

Does it have to be a certain order to unlock?

"Deal Wind damage to all enemies, calculated by average of participating allies' Dx."

The combo spells aren't like EP. Water and Wind don't make a group Wind spell. Try Wind, Fire Wind(Multi).
 

cj_iwakura

Member
Prince Taurus
(Muses concert) was such a joke. I put everyone on auto attack, sat back, and watched him die.

And then everyone gained four levels from it.
 

cj_iwakura

Member
Teknoman said:
Ugh this bomb shelter is driving me nuts.

It's a lot easier than you think.

Just keep going clockwise. You'll be out eventually.

You had no mini map in the PS1 version. Wrap your head around that.
 
cj_iwakura said:
Prince Taurus
(Muses concert) was such a joke. I put everyone on auto attack, sat back, and watched him die.

And then everyone gained four levels from it.

I actually had trouble with that event. I was lvl 17 avg group wise going in and my Persona were lvl 9-10 on avg.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
KibblesBits said:
The combo spells aren't like EP. Water and Wind don't make a group Wind spell. Try Wind, Fire Wind(Multi).

I'm thinking it's Earth, Wind, Fire. But that can't possibly be it for the two new personas I have along with Maya/Eikichi's starting personas.
 
TheSeks said:
I'm thinking it's Earth, Wind, Fire. But that can't possibly be it for the two new personas I have along with Maya/Eikichi's starting personas.

It might be a specificly named wind spell. Do you have the solving orb?
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
KibblesBits said:
It might be a specificly named wind spell. Do you have the solving orb?

Yeah, but it gives only one hint. That's the problem.

Also figured it out:

Wind
Fire
Wind

Opposed to:

Fire
Wind
Fire.

So it seems the fusion spells follow a chart of "two of the same, one different" and "sword + element" or "two of the same element for a bigger spell of element" so far.
 
TheSeks said:
Yeah, but it gives only one hint. That's the problem.

Also figured it out:

Wind
Fire
Wind

Opposed to:

Fire
Wind
Fire.

So it seems the fusion spells follow a chart of "two of the same, one different" and "sword + element" or "two of the same element for a bigger spell of element" so far.

Yep, and as I posted before there is also:
Element, Other Element, Multi Hit of First Element
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Well, that wasn't too bad. Defeated
Yasuo, the Kasugayama student council president
. Level 14 versus us at level 10-9 (Eikichi being the only level 9). Wasn't too bad. Agi Carded Persona for Tatsuya and Eikichi's starter's persona sword attack made pretty good work against them. Ginko and Yukino doing some damage but not enough with their personae. Maya got berserked (nearly screwing me over in healing, thank god for Pixie being on Ginko) but did work with her guns for weak physical.

Shitjustgotreal.gif
Yasuo actually dies [do we find out if he's alive in Eternal Punishment? Forget] at the hands of "King Leo," "Lady Scorpio" is Anna who Yukino is "trying to save." Despite the fact that Anna isn't really a gang-kid but a kid that joined the Joker's organization after she blew her leg out IIRC.

Now is when the game starts to pick up. But the dungeons also become a big longer.

Edit: I also love how dead this thread is. Goes to show how bad the PSP's market is in the west. :(
 
I just hit the 50,000 coin jackpot on the slot machine! =o Speaking of which, does the casino eventually stock (or can it be made to stock) better prize items?
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Alright: Can't seem to progress the story despite being in the new area
met Katsuya/Tatsuya's brother
, Abandoned Factory question: Is there anything there
besides the legendary weapons
that has to be done before all the doors are unlocked?
 

Akselziys

Aksys Games Dev.
TheSeks said:
Alright: Can't seem to progress the story despite being in the new area
met Katsuya/Tatsuya's brother
, Abandoned Factory question: Is there anything there
besides the legendary weapons
that has to be done before all the doors are unlocked?

The Abandoned Factory is
a dungeon that you can play in to level and fight demons from previous dungeons. Its other areas become unlocked as you progress through the game.

To progress you need to
talk to Sumaru Genie in Seaside Mall in Kounan, so she can tell you what to do next :)
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Akselziys said:
To progress you need to
talk to Sumaru Genie in Seaside Mall in Kounan, so she can tell you what to do next :)

Oh, I talked to them already and they told me to go back somewhere I already went to. Guess I'll do that.
 

Akselziys

Aksys Games Dev.
TheSeks said:
Oh, I talked to them already and they told me to go back somewhere I already went to. Guess I'll do that.

I believe she said to
go talk to Toku-san, the homeless guy, at Honmaru Park in Rengedai? After that you need to spread a rumor at Kuzunoha Detective Agency I think? Or just go there in general haha
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Akselziys said:
I believe she said to
go talk to Toku-san, the homeless guy, at Honmaru Park in Rengedai? After that you need to spread a rumor at Kuzunoha Detective Agency I think? Or just go there in general haha

Nah, just had to go there. Opened the dungeon now. Now I gotta head bang against the Orb of Learnings hints for three new fusion spells.

Water Wind Water doesn't seem to work. And it's a "water on all" spell that requires Wind in the second slot so I dunno WTF I'm doing wrong. Maybe I need to put Malaqua in the first slot...

Nevermind: This gives a good hint, but the descriptions should be edited to match the PSP version or at least made a bit more clear as "medium" damage isn't included in any of the spell descriptions but is stated on the PSP version.
 

cj_iwakura

Member
I'm at the Hirasaka dungeon, leading up to one of my favorite events in the game, if it's what I think it is.


And when all else fails, hit up the rumormongers.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Man, these Masks are making it hard to stay low level. They're jumping me in EXP a bit and running from them is a bit of a pain. Plus they're easy to guess what is weak since the color of their robe is generally the yang/yin/weakness of the opposite element.

Also seem to be gaining max rank for the Persona's quickly with fusion spells. Not that I'm complaining but I think this is going to eat into my 100+ card stocks soon because I'm not too sure how useful returning Personae are outside of clearing room for more Personae to take on.
 
TheSeks said:
Man, these Masks are making it hard to stay low level. They're jumping me in EXP a bit and running from them is a bit of a pain. Plus they're easy to guess what is weak since the color of their robe is generally the yang/yin/weakness of the opposite element.

Also seem to be gaining max rank for the Persona's quickly with fusion spells. Not that I'm complaining but I think this is going to eat into my 100+ card stocks soon because I'm not too sure how useful returning Personae are outside of clearing room for more Personae to take on.

Clearing Persona can lead to more cards, rarer cards, accessories and gear and the occasional magic item. Do it. The only persona I ever held onto were the starters and ultimate.

You're not going to have to worry about cards very soon as demons will soon start to give out 20+ cards when asked not including Free Tarot.

I've been busy in the factory myself which has kept me from posting.
 
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