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[Salty Rice]

Phil's tone and demeanor really makes it seem that Jim Ryan both professionally and personally insulted him and Microsoft.

To be fair xbox live is full of hanzo players calling you the f word. /s

 

[killer rin]

But for everyone that is not outraged let me know when MS agrees to require all Xbox gamers playing "Call of Duty" (or popular game X) to create a free Activision account in order to have cross play with PS4 gamers.

I fixed your non-sense statement. Call of Duty is an Activision Game so if it went cross platform it would have to use Activision Servers due to technical requirements. As a result, it would likely require an Activision Account. Now to answer your statement, Microsoft already does. You have to sign into a UPlay and Origin account in order to play Ubisoft and EA games Online.

Now, tell me when Sony releases a game on Xbox with Multiplayer which requires a PSN account (as EA and Ubisoft do) and then your statement will be worth something

 

[Liliana Eileen]

I doubt Phil truly cares

Watch his tone and demeanor. He cares more than Jim Ryan at least.

 

[Toki767]

I doubt Phil truly cares

A ton of people still buy Minecraft every month on PS4.

He absolutely cares. Maybe more for business reasons than as a goodwill gesture, but he does care.

 

[MasterForm]

Like how Windows was on Sony laptops before they got out of the laptop business right? Or 1000 other reasons both companies work with each other.

I hope your post is satire.

There are divisions in companies for a multitude of reasons, sir/madam.

 

[bender]

Nope. To be honest this E3 came and went. It felt so "Industry" and cash grabby.

You are bound to see off years. There is still a lot of neat stuff that got shown off even if nothing was mind blowing.

Ive only seen #PS4TheChildren

Funny but not the right tone.

 

[RoninChaos]

As a parent who's son is incredibly into minecraft, the parental control options I have are fantastic. Keeping kids safe seems to matter to that team and to Microsoft and Jim Ryan should stop being a corporate stooge and just say they don't want to do it because they're assholes. If Nintendo is satisfied with what's there then Sony sure as shit should be too.

 

[Liliana Eileen]

There are divisions in companies for a multitude of reasons, sir/madam.

Oh, wow. I had no idea. Thanks! /s

He said Sony shouldn't work with the enemy. My point still stands.

 

[outunderthestars]

Watch his tone and demeanor. He cares more than Jim Ryan at least.

He did seem a little bit offended by the matter.

 

[vpance]

But isn't having minecraft already on there system working with the "enemy"?

It's an accepted loss. Not allowing Minecraft on the system would help MS more than otherwise.

 

[True Fire]

In the end, it's Pacifist Nintendo that wins. Good on you, Nintendo.

XB1X/Switch would be a killer combination if PS4 didn't, you know, get all of the Japanese games.

 

[gogogow]

He did seem a little bit offended by the matter.

Of course he is. Sony gave a very dumb reason and everyone knows that's a bullshit reason.

 

[Nanashrew]

It's an accepted loss. Not allowing Minecraft on the system would help MS more than otherwise.

Minecraft helps Sony a great deal too. Minecraft sells in boat loads and that gives Sony lots of money.

 

[MasterForm]

Oh, wow. I had no idea. Thanks! /s

He said Sony shouldn't work with the enemy. My point still stands.

If you knew that, then you knew what he meant by the, admittedly childish, statement.

 

[The Artisan]

Remember a few years ago when Sony said they were totally open for cross platform play? :\

source?

Business reasons will open them up to looking greedy, which is probably, in their mind, the least preferred option.

Technical shit choice is 100% a lie that can be refuted at this point, when devs are saying they're one-button-press away from making it happen.

business reasons make them look greedy, reasons for children make them sound ignorant, so really the best course of option is to swallow pride and allow the new Minecraft update on Ps4.

I got I got I got I got loyalty got Loyalty inside my DNA

lmao!!!!!!

 

[Liliana Eileen]

If you knew that, then you knew what he meant by the, admittedly childish, statement.

...what?

Now you're just trying to be contrarian.

 

[Yearsoflurking]

source?

business reasons make them look greedy, reasons for children make them sound ignorant, so really the best course of option is to swallow pride and allow the new Minecraft update on Ps4.
lmao!!!!!!

https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/16/...-xbox-ps4-players-cross-network-play-response

 

[RoninChaos]

Of course he is. Sony gave a very dumb reason and everyone knows that's a bullshit reason.

It's insulting because Sony basically said ms didn't care about protecting kids. That IS insulting.

 

[Slackerish]

You don't work with the enemy, period. Sony is just keeping it real.

First off, really, the enemy?

You do know that Crackle (Owned by Sony Pictures) is on Xbox/Win10?

 

[theifofdreams]

Do you boycott games from every major 3rd party publisher too? Does EA using their own servers offend you?

This is such a disingenuous comparison. EA is not a platform holder. Neither is Ubisoft or WB. And I think we can all agree that the switch isn't a competitor to either of these systems.

Rocket league aside, having PS4 players sign up for Xbox Live accounts to play a game on PS4 gives Microsoft the company everything, but Playstation nothing. The most important thing being user data, which is the gold standard when applying value to a customer base. Look at how closely Microsoft keeps their data on Xbox live usage(and every company does this).

There is a reason apps like Snapchat sell for billions of dollars, and it's not because some CEO really liked taking pictures of themself. It's because of all the user data that is tied to it and that can be sold for targeted marketing.

You may not like that Sony is making this business decision, but it's a decision that makes sense for business. These are customers that Sony has cultivated and they won't want to give it freely to MS.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Phil's tone and demeanor really makes it seem that Jim Ryan both professionally and personally insulted him and Microsoft.

Jim kinda insinuated that Microsoft can't keep their players and Nintendo's players safe online.

 

[The Artisan]

https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/16/...-xbox-ps4-players-cross-network-play-response

oh yes, I remember this but they didn't really say anything substantial.

 

[killer rin]

This is such a disingenuous comparison. EA is not a platform holder. Neither is Ubisoft or WB. And I think we can all agree that the switch isn't a competitor to either of these systems.

Rocket league aside, having PS4 players sign up for Xbox Live accounts to play a game on PS4 gives Microsoft the company everything, but Playstation nothing. The most important thing being user data, which is the gold standard when applying value to a customer base. Look at how closely Microsoft keeps their data on Xbox live usage(and every company does this).

There is a reason apps like Snapchat sell for billions of dollars, and it's not because some CEO really liked taking pictures of themself. It's because of all the user data that is tied to it and that can be sold for targeted marketing.

You may not like that Sony is making this business decision, but it's a decision that makes sense for business. These are customers that Sony has cultivated and they won't want to give it freely to MS.

You do realize that Sony would be gathering the exact same data that Microsoft is gathering because the network calls still go though the Playstation Network Proxy and through the Playstation Network APIs.

 

[TimeEffect]

We PSN players will be vulnerable, and you'll want to protect us, Microsoft.

It's like Tomb Raider.

 

[traffiktiger]

I have a question: can I log into my psn account to watch vue on the xbox? If not microsoft & sony should work that out too.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

"we have a console for when you want to play Minecraft alone, it's called the PS4 Pro" - Rogue Phil Spencer

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

That was the perfect response, Ryan's response was bullshit.

 

[Quotient]

He did make the shit up. He pretty much gave the real reason at first. Pretty much saying it's a business decision. They he decided to make up some shit that he thought sounded good.

That is how i understand as well. It is clearly a business decision for them.

 

[Toki767]

I have a question: can I log into my psn account to watch vue on the xbox? If not microsoft & sony should work that out too.

If you use the browser I think?

There's no PS Vue Windows app.

 

[Basileus777]

This is such a disingenuous comparison. EA is not a platform holder. Neither is Ubisoft or WB. And I think we can all agree that the switch isn't a competitor to either of these systems.

Rocket league aside, having PS4 players sign up for Xbox Live accounts to play a game on PS4 gives Microsoft the company everything, but Playstation nothing. The most important thing being user data, which is the gold standard when applying value to a customer base. Look at how closely Microsoft keeps their data on Xbox live usage(and every company does this).

There is a reason apps like Snapchat sell for billions of dollars, and it's not because some CEO really liked taking pictures of themself. It's because of all the user data that is tied to it and that can be sold for targeted marketing.

You may not like that Sony is making this business decision, but it's a decision that makes sense for business. These are customers that Sony has cultivated and they won't want to give it freely to MS.

You give no reason as to why this would be any different for Nintendo. It's because it isn't. 3rd party publishers gather data on their users all the time, Microsoft would be no different from Activision or EA.

 

[The Artisan]

This is such a disingenuous comparison. EA is not a platform holder. Neither is Ubisoft or WB. And I think we can all agree that the switch isn't a competitor to either of these systems.

Rocket league aside, having PS4 players sign up for Xbox Live accounts to play a game on PS4 gives Microsoft the company everything, but Playstation nothing. The most important thing being user data, which is the gold standard when applying value to a customer base. Look at how closely Microsoft keeps their data on Xbox live usage(and every company does this).

There is a reason apps like Snapchat sell for billions of dollars, and it's not because some CEO really liked taking pictures of themself. It's because of all the user data that is tied to it and that can be sold for targeted marketing.

You may not like that Sony is making this business decision, but it's a decision that makes sense for business. These are customers that Sony has cultivated and they won't want to give it freely to MS.

??

1. It gives PlayStation the most complete and up to date version of the game available, which everyone in the Minecraft on Ps4 deserve to have

2. It gives PsN users who have friends on other platforms the chance to play the game with them.

 

[Marcel]

I'm not a fan of Phil but kudos to him for not totally dragging Sony on their bullshit. I know I would have.

 

[Quotient]

??

1. It gives PlayStation the most complete and up to date version of the game available, which everyone in the Minecraft on Ps4 deserve to have

2. It gives PsN users who have friends on other platforms the chance to play the game with them.

He is talking about "Playstation" the business, not the people who are consuming the content.

 

[MageBoySA]

Minecraft requiring a Microsoft account is the real reason. Once Microsft dropped sales numbers and went to MAUs, it gave Sony every reason not to up that number. This would allow Microsoft to claim any PlayStation user with Minecraft as part of their user numbers, which will make Microsoft look better.

 

[phanphare]

"we have a console for when you want to play Minecraft alone, it's called the PS4 Pro" - Rogue Phil Spencer

 

[Iced Arcade]

You don't work with the enemy, period. Sony is just keeping it real.

ever watch dave chappelle's "when keeping it real goes wrong"

 

[Askherserenity]

Love Phil. His interviews on Giant Bomb are always great.

 

[Synth]

I have a question: can I log into my psn account to watch vue on the xbox? If not microsoft & sony should work that out too.

I'd settle for Spotify on Xbox first tbh.

 

[Magwik]

Minecraft requiring a Microsoft account is the real reason. Once Microsft dropped sales numbers and went to MAUs, it gave Sony every reason not to up that number. This would allow Microsoft to claim any PlayStation user with Minecraft as part of their user numbers, which will make Microsoft look better.

Who gives a shit about MAU
This isn't some strategic ploy to get more MAUs either.

 

[The Artisan]

He is talking about "Playstation" the business, not the people who are consuming the content.

"Playstation" the business is as big as it is because of the consumers. I am the consumer, I stand to gain something from it and Playstation the business loses the completed version of the Minecraft software by egging out of this update

 

[RedRum]

Minecraft requiring a Microsoft account is the real reason. Once Microsft dropped sales numbers and went to MAUs, it gave Sony every reason not to up that number. This would allow Microsoft to claim any PlayStation user with Minecraft as part of their user numbers, which will make Microsoft look better.

I love how the excuses have went from:

Market Leader to Security to One service being better/worse than the other to Policies to Logins and now we've hit the MAU stage.

 

[The Artisan]

sony's defense force in this thread has started

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Lmfao "the enemy"

Some of y'all need to take a fuckin walk outside or something

 

[Salty Rice]

"we have a console for when you want to play Minecraft alone, it's called the PS4 Pro" - Rogue Phil Spencer

I know what you tried but you can play with other players on PS4.

I bet with even more than Xbone and Switch combined.

 

[LukasTaves]

Times have changed...



Jim Ryan went to the same PR school most likely.

The leadership from both Ms and Xbox are bring different from that era also helps a lot.

 

[Magwik]

"Playstation" the business is as big as it is because of the consumers. I am the consumer, I stand to gain something from it and Playstation the business loses the completed version of the Minecraft software by egging out of this update

I mean they literally got so far into this gen by being "for the consumers".

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Amazing response

Let's see what shitty excuse Sony will come up with next...

They'll blame Phil's emails...

 

[theifofdreams]

You do realize that Sony would be gathering the exact same data that Microsoft is gathering because the network calls still go though the Playstation Network Proxy and through the Playstation Network APIs.

No, because Xbox players aren't signing up for psn Accounts with their name, email addresses, location, sex.

You give no reason as to why this would be any different for Nintendo. It's because it isn't. 3rd party publishers gather data on their users all the time, Microsoft would be no different from Activision or EA

Nintendo is not a competitor to either PlayStation or Xbox. They are firmly planted in axillary console territory, and they are fine with that.

Activision and EA do not make a console. They create content for platform holders like Sony and Microsoft.

 

[mjp2417]

He is talking about "Playstation" the business, not the people who are consuming the content.

Having a competitive version of one of the world's most popular video games affects Playstation the business.

 

[Slackerish]

I'd settle for Spotify on Xbox first tbh.

His point is that in order for a Xbox user to use the PlayStation Vue app, you would have to create a PSN id. So it would "equal" things out.