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Playstation TV Thread: Vita Who?
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It's not happening.
autoduelist
Member
Nobody knows, only guesses. Two most likely possibilities:
1) Some older non-specific contracts have some legal licensing mumbo-jumbo that makes this the only way we can play the games. For example, maybe they specifically disallow 'downloading' to non-psp/ps3 devices, but don't specifically disallow playing on other devices. So Sony is sidestepping and letting us play it through transferring.
2) Oversight and it either should be on store, or shouldn't be transferable.
i tend towards optimism so go with the 1st... there's a legal loophole that lets us get the games we otherwise wouldn't.
You can probably cross reference from this list:
https://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/281768-complete-list-of-pspminispsone-games-playable-on-vita/
It lets you know what you can transfer to vita, but if the pstv supports the game too, it probably transfers.
Thanks. I will definitely have to reference that transfer list in the future. Thankfully, I only spent something like $.91 on Battlefront II during the flash sale. But I would have be pissed if I had spent $10-$15.
I've often felt like every thread about PS TV needs to have a "No Netflix" tagline, because I think pretty much everyone assumes that it does that.
Pankratous
Member
Does anyone in the UK follow 10 ways to save money as a student on Facebook? If you do, you should send them a message about the price drop, all the features etc.
I'd do it myself but I already messaged them about Spotify.
I'd do it myself but I already messaged them about Spotify.
Dekavita is coming, transforms your PSTV into (almost) a Vita.
Dreamwriter
Member
I meant that it doesnt play all psp or ps1 games, just a large chunk of them (typo when I said vita games, though it should still play a lot more of them than it does). The PSTV really should be an all-in-one Sony game device, but the game limitations just kill that. There is no reason whatsoever that a single PSP game shouldnt work unless somehow it actually required the disc in the drive.
No word at all. Quite a few people are holding out for some news, but it doesn't look like we'll be getting any sort of info.
I'm not sure how pivotal the certain PS Vita features are to how the game works, but couldn't most things be done on a DS4 (touch elements, etc)?
I always wondered whether they could make games that use the touchscreen compatible with a note that it requires a DS4. May require a little learning curve to use the pad as a touchscreen but I think it would be doable.
That's exactly my train of thought. It might take a bit of time to make games compatible, but it would increase sales in the long run.
GreyOcelot
Member
touch screen games work with a dualshock3 as well by way of a virtual finger for both back and front touch. kind of like the wii-mote pointer. it works pretty well for things like menus (eg. the walking dead). not sure how effective it would be to use it during gameplay.
as far as uncharted is concerned, there's two types of gameplay sections that make use of touch primarily...QTEs and sections where you inspect artifacts. the artifact section in particular is something that really wouldn't work well at all on a pstv, even with virtual touch because it requires back and front touch use at the same time. there's also a small section that would have to be patched where you have to point your vita into sunlight
having said all that, i think the current white-list way of doing things is terrible. they should allow all the games to run but with a warning ahead of time. it's not like those games could be bought on the pstv store anyway
as far as uncharted is concerned, there's two types of gameplay sections that make use of touch primarily...QTEs and sections where you inspect artifacts. the artifact section in particular is something that really wouldn't work well at all on a pstv, even with virtual touch because it requires back and front touch use at the same time. there's also a small section that would have to be patched where you have to point your vita into sunlight
having said all that, i think the current white-list way of doing things is terrible. they should allow all the games to run but with a warning ahead of time. it's not like those games could be bought on the pstv store anyway
autoduelist
Member
Licensing will prevent that, always and forever. No publisher likes to give away 'forever licenses' (any future device, for all time, etc) and even if they wanted to, they might not be able to based on their own licenses (soundtrack, etc) which have their own limitations. Add in company closures, mergers, etc, and... you end up with things falling through the cracks.
NeOak
Member
They don't enable the badly worded "Use Wi-Fi in Low Power Mode" or whatever option is under Power Saving settings.
That means that it will keep the Wi-Fi chip in a low power state ALL the time.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Is Freedom Wars worth getting into? I've played around with it for a bit but might drop it to play something else.
redhairedking
Junior Member
I just got it and am enjoying it. If you want to play sometime once I get a little farther I'd be down
Freedom Wars... is a game with good ideas that don't get properly developed. It feels rushed and incomplete, and that feeling gets stronger the further you go. It has a lot of elements that just don't work right. It has a lot of things that have promise but don't pan out like they should. A lot of the basic gameplay is good, but the poor enemy/level design and ally AI drag the experience down. It has a few really fun and well designed fights, and quite a few poorly designed ones that drag on forever only to steal victory from you right as time runs out.
Most of all, it is severely lacking in polish and content, particularly compared to other games in the same genre. It is really hard to recommend it over other games like God Eater or Monster Hunter. I haven't played Soul Sacrifice or Toukiden, so I can't compare it to those.
Yes, it is. Buy it and play it with the rest of us.
the_sun_king
Member
Help an ignorant person out:
Persona 4 is my favorite game of all time, but I've only played the original PS2 release back from 2008. I'd like to play The Golden. But, I don't have a Vita currently. I'm also not the biggest fan of playing games on handhelds (tiny screens!) and P4 I feel is just a made-for-TV experience. If I want to play P4G, would I just need Playstation TV, a Vita memory card, and a copy of P4G?
Persona 4 is my favorite game of all time, but I've only played the original PS2 release back from 2008. I'd like to play The Golden. But, I don't have a Vita currently. I'm also not the biggest fan of playing games on handhelds (tiny screens!) and P4 I feel is just a made-for-TV experience. If I want to play P4G, would I just need Playstation TV, a Vita memory card, and a copy of P4G?
sensui-tomo
Member
does your tv have an HDMI slot, if so you'd be ready to go, if you have a controller for the ps3/4 you'd be all set. and i cant remember if you'd actually need a memory card since i think p4 golden saved to the cartridge .
If you get the Lego bundle, you'll only need P4G. If you get vanilla PSTV, you'll need a memory card (I believe the system comes with the same 1GB that the Vita-2000 has, don't quote me on that), the game and a controller.
Yeah, it comes with 1GB
Shift Breaker
Member
Nah, that was just a silly PS3 restriction. What you see is what you need.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
how big is the killzone file?
Jawmuncher
Member
Nevermind guess I already had it on there.
GreyOcelot
Member
The game itself is like 3.5gb, but there's at least 1gb+ of updates
NeOak
Member
http://www.nippon-yasan.com/playstation-vita-japan/6658-sony-playstation-vita-tv-vertical-stand.html
Amazon.com has them, but I'm not sure how you can order from there
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FYN4CPC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
eastx
Member
Two upcoming Vita games that I can confirm are NOT PS TV compatible:
Project Root (darn it!)
Krinkle Crusher
Project Root is a shoot 'em up and will be coming to Xbox One and PS4, so it really should be compatible. The dev tells me they're working on compatibility, so it might get patched shortly after launch.
Project Root (darn it!)
Krinkle Crusher
Project Root is a shoot 'em up and will be coming to Xbox One and PS4, so it really should be compatible. The dev tells me they're working on compatibility, so it might get patched shortly after launch.
HORI is better than Sony, not to mention it's Sony-approved. It's not some bootleg product, they even manufacture accessories for Sony to sell as their own.
NeOak
Member
Then wait until the end of time because there isn't one.
eastx
Member
Yeah, pretty silly for someone to turn up his nose at a Hori product. Especially when the only version of the product that exists is made by Hori.
Okay, GAF. This Junior Member has his very first question for y'all. If any of you are knowledgeable about Dissidia's compatibility with the PSTV, please read on.
So, I kinda want to get this game. It isn't up on the PSN through the PSTV, but I think I can purchase it on Sony's site and then it'll show up as a potential download on the system... right?
Second, bigger question. This'll heavily influence whether I drop the $20. My best friend has a PSP. In a perfect world we would use two DS4 controllers and go at it on my PSTV, but obviously that isn't possible. In an imperfect-but-still-passable world we would at least be able to play online against eachother but I'm pretty sure that whole xlink kai thing isn't an option on PSTV? I'm rambling, sorry. My question here is, if he brought over his PSP, can we at least play together via ad-hoc? Will his PSP's copy, should I convince him to buy the game, detect my PSTV's copy as a potential opponent?
Thanks in advance.
So, I kinda want to get this game. It isn't up on the PSN through the PSTV, but I think I can purchase it on Sony's site and then it'll show up as a potential download on the system... right?
Second, bigger question. This'll heavily influence whether I drop the $20. My best friend has a PSP. In a perfect world we would use two DS4 controllers and go at it on my PSTV, but obviously that isn't possible. In an imperfect-but-still-passable world we would at least be able to play online against eachother but I'm pretty sure that whole xlink kai thing isn't an option on PSTV? I'm rambling, sorry. My question here is, if he brought over his PSP, can we at least play together via ad-hoc? Will his PSP's copy, should I convince him to buy the game, detect my PSTV's copy as a potential opponent?
Thanks in advance.
Pankratous
Member
Anyone know anything about this?
suikodan
Member
It "should"...
PSTV supports ad-hoc gameplay, at least with Vita. I had Warriors Orochi 3 on Vita and on PSTV and tried pairing each other and it worked. I don't see why it wouldn't work.
I think I have Dissidia installed on my PSTV, I could try it soon enough with a PSP
For compatible games, you can "simulate" the touch pad with L3. While in-game, I think you hold the PS Button and the option is at the bottom.
xKilltheMx
Member
Dissidia needs to be transferred with a PS3 I think but adhoc will 100% work i've done it with my lady plenty of times with metal slug and other psp games.
Cool, thanks! I'm a bit lost on the need for a PS3, however. Is having access to a PS3 a mandatory step in the process of getting it to show up as an available download on PSTV? My Triple died a few months ago, but my friends have theirs still so I could always arrange for one of them to bring it over.
NeOak
Member
Some games have to be forced to be downloaded using the PS3.
I see, I see. Alright, well I'm sure I can work something out. Good to know in advance.
xKilltheMx
Member
You seem confused, no offense.
You'll need to download dissidia to the ps3 and then transfer it via wifi or the cable to the vita or pstv.
None taken. I appreciate the clarification. I think I did understand things, actually, but now I'm positive I do.
Trickytoon
Neo Member
Following the UK price drop I pottered down to Argos at lunch time and picked up a unit. Imagine my surpise when I turned it on and it was locked to another user's account...awesome.
Anyone from the UK have any experience of this, with particular reference to the Sale of Goods Act etc? Keen to see what my options are, I'm properly annoyed about it!
Anyone from the UK have any experience of this, with particular reference to the Sale of Goods Act etc? Keen to see what my options are, I'm properly annoyed about it!
Cant you just reset it to factory and start fresh with it?
Trickytoon
Neo Member
I could but why should I? I've bought an item sold as new, which isn't new and has a history which isn't clear to me.