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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair

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RumbleHumble

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Everyone's so happy! And we didn't even need the oppo. I really do hope Trump goes to war with Congress, burning down his most important allies.
 
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Nelo Ice

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Was able to reach one of Kamala Harris's offices and thanked her for saving the ACA. Wasn't able to reach Feinstein but left her a voicemail and thanked her too.
 
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nature boy

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AnotherNils said:
I'm not sure that squares with DADT which wasn't from congress. Though I could see a distinction between giving rights by order vs. trying remove soldiers by decree.

Edit: The irony here is Trump did this so congress wouldn't have to have a public fight over transgendered military funding
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Are you referring to the enactment of DADT or the repeal? The repeal required approval from Congress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_Ask,_Don't_Tell_Repeal_Act_of_2010
 
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AnotherNils

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nature boy said:
Are you referring to the enactment of DADT or the repeal? The repeal required approval from Congress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_Ask,_Don't_Tell_Repeal_Act_of_2010
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Yeah I wiki'd it before posting. Here's the relevant part:
"Don't ask, don't tell" (DADT) was the official United States policy on military service by gays, bisexuals, and lesbians, instituted by the Clinton Administration on February 28, 1994, when Department of Defense Directive 1304.26 issued on December 21, 1993, took effect
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Can the admin have the DoD issue a directive banning transgender soldiers? IDK

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation_and_military_service#Transgender_military_service
transgender people are still barred from entering the US Military.[26] This ban is effective via enlistment health screening regulations: "Current or history of psychosexual conditions (302), including but not limited to transsexualism, exhibitionism, transvestism, voyeurism, and other paraphilias."
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I get the feeling they've been in a legal grey area.
 
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Ernest

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I'm sure Trump would've done this eventually, but you just know that he did this today to distract from his health care loss.

And it fucking worked!

Everyone is talking about this instead of his embarrassing health care loss, which is already a distant memory.
 
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jtb

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Moulton failed on the presidential audition on PSA. Pass.

Leans way too hard into his 'both parties are bad!' #maverick shtick. But I guess every white male Dem still holding elected office sees 2020 as their chance.
 
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j_k_redtail

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I'm just going to leave this here, without comment.

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from the Washington Post
 
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Autodidact

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jtb said:
Moulton failed on the presidential audition on PSA. Pass.

Leans way too hard into his 'both parties are bad!' #maverick shtick. But I guess every white male Dem still holding elected office sees 2020 as their chance.
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He, Tim Ryan, and Kathleen Rice pretty much founded the Pound on Pelosi crew.
 
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jtb

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kirblar said:
Ro Khanna has joined that pity party.
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Aren't they (Khanna + Moulton) both more moderate than the people they primaried? Not too familiar with who they replaced, but it's not like they're winning in deep red districts or anything. It's so disingenuous.
 
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Autodidact

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What do our Californians and/or Orange County peeps make of Dana Rohrabacher's most likely challenger, Hans Keirstead? A stem-cell scientist, he seems perfect for an affluent district that's taken its first tentative steps toward being Democratic. Because of Keirstead's candidacy and the Russia scandal, Sabato recently moved Rohrabacher's race into the tossup category.

EDIT: He also moved that witch McSally's race from Leans Republican to tossup. Awkward Ann comin' for that wig.
 
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Barzul

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I'm glad Reince got fired. It to me signals that Trump doesn't give two fucks about healthcare anymore really.

I expected a lot more angry tweets today.
 
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nature boy

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AnotherNils said:
Yeah I wiki'd it before posting. Here's the relevant part:


Can the admin have the DoD issue a directive banning transgender soldiers? IDK

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation_and_military_service#Transgender_military_service


I get the feeling they've been in a legal grey area.
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No specialist here, but I'm assuming Congress doesn't move at the same pace at the executive branch and that the DADT directive was inside the scope that Congress allowed at the time. With the controversy I'm pretty sure Congress will want to flex its authority on the issue.

And the same I would assume applies to the current suspension pending reevaluation.
 
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Wilsongt

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broz0rs said:
According to this thread, McCain's decision to allow the bill to go to the floor, then voting no on it really fucked over McConnell.

https://twitter.com/marmel/status/891067586334441472
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McCain really should have given McConnell the middle finger as he said no.

Let that be the last thing he ever does in Congress: Fuck over McConnell's dream of finally ridding you, the American people, of the failure of Obamacare. Bigly

Hannity tweeted a picture of that painting of Obama standing on the Constitution.

Oh the irony....
 
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Fenderputty

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Autodidact said:
What do our Californians and/or Orange County peeps make of Dana Rohrabacher's most likely challenger, Hans Keirstead? A stem-cell scientist, he seems perfect for an affluent district that's taken its first tentative steps toward being Democratic. Because of Keirstead's candidacy and the Russia scandal, Sabato recently moved Rohrabacher's race into the tossup category.

EDIT: He also moved that witch McSally's race from Leans Republican to tossup. Awkward Ann comin' for that wig.
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I'm very skeptical of the OC going blue in the near future. I work in Orange County and with people who live there. Let just say I don't see eye to eye with virtually anyone in my office. Including about 70% of the younger employees. So I probably have a ton of confirmation bias.

I'm in Ed Royce's district on the border of the OC. He's in three counties. San Bernardino, Los Angeles and Orange County. LA is the only one who didn't vote for Royce and it was slim in 2016. I live next to people with the Tea Party flag and another with Blue lives matter American flag. I feel like I'm surrounded by republicans. So again, skeptical but confirmation bias.
 
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sangreal

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Suikoguy said:
Wait, which is it then?
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1) They did not vote on a bill. they voted on an amendment and then tabled the bill because they were out of ideas. it remains on the calendar and should be able to be put on the floor again with another MTP until...
2) They are passing a new budget resolution in September which will include new reconciliation instructions
3) They haven't passed any reconciliation bills, but even if they had it would only prevent new reconciliation on the same topic (revenue, spending and I forget the third)

It won't be revived because there is no appetite for it, they are going on vacation, and they need to pass a new budget for tax reform. Not because of 4D chess from McCain
 
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Autodidact

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Fenderputty said:
I'm very skeptical of the OC going blue in the near future. I work in Orange County and with people who live there. Let just say I don't see eye to eye with virtually anyone in my office. Including about 70% of the younger employees. So I probably have a ton of confirmation bias.

I'm in Ed Royce's district on the border of the OC. He's in three counties. San Bernardino, Los Angeles and Orange County. LA is the only one who didn't vote for Royce and it was slim in 2016. I live next to people with the Tea Party flag and another with Blue lives matter American flag. I feel like I'm surrounded by republicans. So again, skeptical but confirmation bias.
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Do you think Hillary's winning Orange County was a fluke because Trump was so uniquely bad and she was able to appeal to the wealthy, Romney-esque voters there? I only asked the question because she won by almost ten points, and it's been slowly trending Democratic, looking at the numbers.

She won Rohrabacher's, Royce's, Issa's, and Walters's districts (48, 39, 49, 45, respectively), but I acknowledge that the results may be different without her or Trump on the ballot.
 
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AntraxSuicide

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Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
OMG at that WSJ post claiming Darth Preibus was kicked because he didn't clap back at Mooch.
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This meshes with how Trump runs his employees. He has them fight it out and believes the best employees are the ones who never admit fault or lose arguments. Humility is a weakness, brashness is strength. He's like a Sith before the Rule of Two.
 
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whyamihere

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sangreal said:
1) They did not vote on a bill. they voted on an amendment and then tabled the bill because they were out of ideas. it remains on the calendar and should be able to be put on the floor again with another MTP until...
2) They are passing a new budget resolution in September which will include new reconciliation instructions
3) They haven't passed any reconciliation bills, but even if they had it would only prevent new reconciliation on the same topic (revenue, spending and I forget the third)

It won't be revived because there is no appetite for it, they are going on vacation, and they need to pass a new budget for tax reform. Not because of 4D chess from McCain
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This.
 
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AntraxSuicide

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Y2Kev said:
Senate rules need a real rewrite. Why is this stuff even around? It's so esoteric.
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It's around because it's actually kinda hard to explicitly list rules for any given situation, and up until a few decades ago, people were largely okay with political norms being known without being spelled out.

I blame Perry Mason for that changing (mostly joking). People think the law works like a magic spell where if you can find the wording that can be interpreted to let you win, then you win.

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Or he just a complete dumbass.
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I didn't say it was smart! It's just how he's always run his businesses. VP-level executives are encouraged to argue with each other. Backstabbing ruins trust but that doesn't mean anything to Trump; it just shows that the backstabber has cunning.

Remember his "I don't pay much in taxes because I cheat the system, that makes me smart" line? He respects employees who do this. He doesn't want wimps, he wants brawlers.
 
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thepotatoman

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sangreal said:
1) They did not vote on a bill. they voted on an amendment and then tabled the bill because they were out of ideas. it remains on the calendar and should be able to be put on the floor again with another MTP until...
2) They are passing a new budget resolution in September which will include new reconciliation instructions
3) They haven't passed any reconciliation bills, but even if they had it would only prevent new reconciliation on the same topic (revenue, spending and I forget the third)

It won't be revived because there is no appetite for it, they are going on vacation, and they need to pass a new budget for tax reform. Not because of 4D chess from McCain
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This is correct.

You'd think even people that don't know the rules would have to wonder why full repeal can fail, but they can still vote on partial repeal, if that 4D chess from McCain thing was true.
 
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ratcliffja

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Barzul said:
Trump is going to sign the Russia sanctions bill, WH just announced. I wonder how Putin will feel about that 😂. Imagine if he turns his bot army against Trump's White House.
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Putin's not stupid. He knows that Trump has no realistic shot of vetoing the bill, so as long as Trump is still worthwhile to him, there likely won't be any retaliation against Trump or the White House directly. I could see him going after the GOP as a whole, though.
 
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Abstrusity

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https://mobile.twitter.com/votingvillagedc/status/891008725342765056

90 min after doors open: Complete remote control on the operating system level of the Winvote voting terminal (including election data).
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Hackers at DefCon wirelessly got OS level access to a WinVote voter machine within 90 minutes.

Person who hacked into it took less than two minutes to get in. This is not a drill, these are white and grey hats breaking into voting machines to discover vulnerabilities.

One minute 40 seconds is all it takes for someone to take your vote and throw it away. ...Or take your vote and apply it to someone else.

These are the same type Virginia got rid of in 2014, but they might still be in use elsewhere in the country.
 
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Barzul

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Plumbob said:
More likely we'll see a leak
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You think? But seriously at what point does Putin just cut his losses? His main goal has obviously been to repeal Magnitsky, Trump signing this means there's zero chance that'll happen. If he doesn't veto this then what are the odds he would support an ease of sanctions? This bill puts the power to ease Russia sanctions in the hands of Congress.

I really expected he would veto it and then be overriden. But it'd signal to Putin that he was playing ball.
 
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