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[Thunder Monkey]

Sexist comment.

Maybe he should get back in the kitchen?

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Tax cuts for 95% of working families, I don't think so...Obama has already stated that the Bush tax cuts were irresponsible, and that tax rate was too low. Yes, the cuts went up too high for some incomes, but they came here to me on the south side too.... How is he going to pay for the R+D to be able to get rid of middle east foreign oil dependency in 10 years (he hasn't even told anyone exactly how this can even be done) and cut 95% of working peoples taxes? He will need to saddle small businesses and corporations with huge taxes in a weak economy to even come close.

Please tell me you're a joke character. You do realize he's going to raise taxes on income over $250,000 right? Ending the Iraq war will save us at least $10 billion we spend a month.

 

[Shiggie]

is this old?
http://vpilf.com/

 

[TDG]

Not just Liberal, but damn near socialist.

Not even close.

 

[scorcho]

I never mentioned Scorcho being blinded by his love of Obama, I was referencing something he said about me "knowing it all".

the way i remember it, you framed both Obama and MccCain as being similar because they 'both agree with each other on what has to be done, they just disagree on how to do it'.

now does he read detailed expositions on the candidates in papers like the NYT to educate him on each candidates platform? says Ultimakilo - 'Don't have to, I've worked for their campaigns to familiarize myself with them.' besides - he believes that NYT is a partisan paper and as such unworthy of his eyes.

Macam was right - i was too generous before.

 

[reilo]

Please tell me you're a joke character. You do realize he's going to raise taxes on income over $250,000 right? Ending the Iraq war will save us at least $10 billion.

$10billion? Yeah, PER MONTH.

 

[Zeliard]

Tax cuts for 95% of working families, I don't think so...Obama has already stated that the Bush tax cuts were irresponsible, and that tax rate was too low. Yes, the cuts went up too high for some incomes, but they came here to me on the south side too.... How is he going to pay for the R+D to be able to get rid of middle east foreign oil dependency in 10 years (he hasn't even told anyone exactly how this can even be done) and cut 95% of working peoples taxes? He will need to saddle small businesses and corporations with huge taxes in a weak economy to even come close.

Obama is also raising taxes on upper-income families.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

$10billion? Yeah, PER MONTH.

I edited my posted. It was a mistake.

 

[Tamanon]

I mentioned earlier that Gov. Palin is in the thick of her own very Bush era scandal over her attempts to have her ex-brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, using her clout as governor. Now we've learned she's invoked the Alaska version of executive privilege to withhold emails dealing with the case. Our report on the latest on the case will be coming up shortly.

From TPM

Well....I guess she does have some EXPERIENCE that could be useful for the Presidency

 

[reilo]

From TPM

Well....I guess she does have some EXPERIENCE that could be useful for the Presidency

I thought innocent people had nothing to hide?

 

[thekad]

I think a "secret" point to note is, Palin doesn't need to compete with Biden's control of, say, FP issues in a debate to come across as credible / to succeed. She just needs to hold fast to whatever the provided talking points are, and not get blindsided. Remember, debates in this country are shallow and meaningless theater where the important things are how much you sweat sigh or roll your eyes.

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Biden is the one who needs to worry feeding into the "bullying Palin" narrative.

 

[grandjedi6]

Tax cuts for 95% of working families, I don't think so...Obama has already stated that the Bush tax cuts were irresponsible, and that tax rate was too low. Yes, the cuts went up too high for some incomes, but they came here to me on the south side too.... How is he going to pay for the R+D to be able to get rid of middle east foreign oil dependency in 10 years (he hasn't even told anyone exactly how this can even be done) and cut 95% of working peoples taxes? He will need to saddle small businesses and corporations with huge taxes in a weak economy to even come close.

grandjedi6's "How to tell who's a troll" checklist:

(I) Are they reposting stupid talking points?

(II) Are they not responding to other poster's comments or critism?

(III) Do they have a non-existant or negative posting history of the discussion type?

Looks like we have a live one here guys!

 

[woxel1]

 

[Tamanon]

grandjedi6's "How to tell who's a troll" checklist:

(I) Are they reposting stupid talking points?

(II) Are they not responding to other poster's comments or critism?

(III) Do they have a non-existant or negative posting history of the discussion type?

Looks like we have a live one here guys!

Now now, he's trying to get a McCain watch!

 

[reilo]

grandjedi6's "How to tell who's a troll" checklist:

Are they reposting stupid talking points?

Are they not responding to other poster's comments or critism?

Do they have a non-existant or negative posting history of the discussion type?

Looks like we have a live one here guys!

:lol

The checks are what made that post.

 

[Door2Dawn]

Pretzels are gross

 

[Gaborn]

I thought innocent people had nothing to hide?

You do realize that most any lawyer would tell a client to reveal the bare minimum of information they're required to, right?

 

[HocusPocus]

Palin is an excellent choice, and I only wish I could vote for her for President instead of just VP.

 

[scorcho]

Palin is an excellent choice, and I only wish I could vote for her for President instead of just VP.

yeaaaaaaaah....

that's a mighty low bar there.

 

[Gaborn]

Wrong person. Unless you're suggesting that's how Darth Cheney became president.

 

[thekad]

You do realize that most any lawyer would tell a client to reveal the bare minimum of information they're required to, right?

Governor.

 

[Gaborn]

Governor.

And...? Clinton wasn't exactly forthcoming in his various investigations and probes (whether they were fair or not).

 

[reilo]

You do realize that most any lawyer would tell a client to reveal the bare minimum of information they're required to, right?

There's a difference between using the power of your office to hide information when you are under investigation, and invoking the fifth amendment to protect yourself in court?

One is directly interfering with an investigation. Can you guess which?

 

[Fragamemnon]

grandjedi6's "How to tell who's a troll" checklist:

(I) Are they reposting stupid talking points?

(II) Are they not responding to other poster's comments or critism?

(III) Do they have a non-existant or negative posting history of the discussion type?

agreed that the checks make the post. A++++ poster, would read again.

One thing that is really amazing-in less than tweleve hours, the liberal blog network has produced a buzzsaw of real and important issues regarding Palin. Putting someone like her on the ticket just as liberals were getting off their great hopium high was like taking a chainsaw to a wasp's nest.

 

[UltimaKilo]

the way i remember it, you framed both Obama and MccCain as being similar because they 'both agree with each other on what has to be done, they just disagree on how to do it'.

now does he read detailed expositions on the candidates in papers like the NYT to educate him on each candidates platform? says Ultimakilo - 'Don't have to, I've worked for their campaigns to familiarize myself with them.' besides - he believes that NYT is a partisan paper and as such unworthy of his eyes.

Macam was right - i was too generous before.

And it's true... They both agree on what needs to be done because they both have the American perspective. I can tell you that people in Spain believe that the U.S. has to radically change. And I'm happy to be one of the only people in this Obama thread that has yet to resort to insults, it tells a lot about the character of a person.

 

[pxleyes]

Palin is an excellent choice, and I only wish I could vote for her for President instead of just VP.

Can you pass the good shit please? I'm all out.

 

[Hsieh]

Maybe the Republicans picked Palin because they want to play up the elitist angle. Obviously, multimillionaire McCain somehow being the opposite of an elitist doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but Palin seems to be one those bible-thumping gun nuts that Obama famously called "bitter".

 

[Tamanon]

And...? Clinton wasn't exactly forthcoming in his various investigations and probes (whether they were fair or not).

And that was bad too.

 

[ronito]

Can we get a section for 9/11 and POW mention counts?

 

[reilo]

And it's true... They both agree on what needs to be done because they both have the American perspective. I can tell you that people in Spain believe that the U.S. has to radically change. And I'm happy to be one of the only people in this Obama thread that has yet to resort to insults, it tells a lot about the character of a person.

But you do resort to intellectual dishonesty and outright bullshittery.

 

[Vinzer Deling]

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http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

Fiscal
Year Year Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

Where's the magical surplus?

 

[thekad]

And...? Clinton wasn't exactly forthcoming in his various investigations and probes (whether they were fair or not).

Oh, never mind. You're just being your regular disingenuous self.

 

[grandjedi6]

 

[pxleyes]

That's a hard pill to swallow.

 

[HocusPocus]

Can you pass the good shit please? I'm all out.

I'd be out too if I was ObamaBot .

 

[greepoman]

So what does it mean if the Repub's have to delay the convention because of Gustav? And what happens if Gustav is Katrina2?

 

[The Librarian]

 

[pxleyes]

I'd be out too if I was ObamaBot .

Are you claiming all Obama supporters are potheads? Even though Palin admitted to inhaling herself?

 

[The Chosen One]

Both Obama and McCain tried to balance their ticket.

The difference is though McCain's VP pick seems to only be beneficial for the election. After November 4th how will Palin benefit McCain running this country? She's not an economic expert and she has ZERO knowledge on foreign policy. It doesn't seem McCain will need her for anything. Worst of all if something happens to McCain health-wise, she just doesn't seem capable of running the free world.

You could argue Obama is also a lightweight, but this campaign has shown that he is at least a legitimate candidate for president. He's run an efficient campaign and taking down the Clinton machine. He's been in over 20 debates. Raised more money than any other presidential campaign. He's met with foreign leaders and generals in Iraq. We know that he's respected around the world. We saw how he handled the Rev. Wright crises. I could go on...

I think this pick has the potential to backfire once the "Wow" factor wears off and people actually start trying to visualize her as the President of the United States.

 

[Gaborn]

There's a difference between using the power of your office to hide information when you are under investigation, and invoking the fifth amendment to protect yourself in court?

One is directly interfering with an investigation. Can you guess which?

Sure, but there are statutes and precedents that define what is private and what is public information, and what is capable of being subpoenaed and what is not capable of being subpoenaed for public officials. Is Palin following the law in the course of this investigation or not? if she is, then you're bitching for nothing. If she isn't she should be removed from office immediately for obstruction of justice.

 

[Zeliard]

And it's true... They both agree on what needs to be done because they both have the American perspective. I can tell you that people in Spain believe that the U.S. has to radically change. And I'm happy to be one of the only people in this Obama thread that has yet to resort to insults, it tells a lot about the character of a person.

Don't you think that's a little... simplistic? How does an American not have an American perspective? Unless you're referring to seeing things from others' point of views, in which case I would direct you to Obama's many (sadly controversial) statements over the entire campaign about how he's willing to talk to most anybody in the world and hear things from their perspective.

 

[reilo]

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

Fiscal
Year Year Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

Where's the magical surplus?

 

[reilo]

Sure, but there are statutes and precedents that define what is private and what is public information, and what is capable of being subpoenaed and what is not capable of being subpoenaed for public officials. Is Palin following the law in the course of this investigation or not? if she is, then you're bitching for nothing. If she isn't she should be removed from office immediately for obstruction of justice.

Ask yourself this: If there was a law that protected the emails that officials wrote, then would she have to invoke executive privilege? As far as I am concerned, and PUBLIC official voted into power by the voting PUBLIC requires a certain level of transparency.

 

[Shiggie]

Can we get a section for 9/11 and POW mention counts?

yeah its getting kinda ridiculous. Im expecting to see rudy pop out of nowhere.

 

[Gaborn]

Ask yourself this: If there was a law that protected the emails that officials wrote, then would she have to invoke executive privilege? As far as I am concerned, and PUBLIC official voted into power by the voting PUBLIC requires a certain level of transparency.

How about you answer my question before I start asking myself new questions?

 

[Dan]

Speaking of interviews did anyone catch this beauty yesterday.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1836909,00.html

Wow, this is awkward.

I can't even tell, does this guy want to be president? It feels like he's being forced to do a Q&A with the teacher after a presentation in a class he hates.

 

[DancingJesus]

God Olbermann is a bit too much... I mean there's a line you gotta draw, your a professional. News should be reported without bias, this guy strokes Obama's cock at every given chance.

 

[reilo]

How about you answer my question before I start asking myself new questions?

How the fuck should I know? I don't live in Alaska.

Don't play the privacy card here. Investigators can legally subpoena your phone record and voicemails to find out whether you did something illegal if there is enough evidence to do so. Why should emails be exempt from this?

Obviously there was a subpoena handed down for her emails, and she invoked executive privilege to prevent those emails from being read. It's the exact same bullshit that Bush has been getting away with. CONNECT THE DOTS.

 

[pxleyes]

God Olbermann is a bit too much... I mean there's a line you gotta draw, your a professional. News should be reported without bias, this guy strokes Obama's cock at every given chance.

He's a pundit though, not a true journalist. Just the same as O'Reilly.

 

[Tamanon]

God Olbermann is a bit too much... I mean there's a line you gotta draw, your a professional. News should be reported without bias, this guy strokes Obama's cock at every given chance.

You'd have a point if he were a reporter